The 28 planets debacle

[HeroR]

People act like there were millions of Saiyans slaughtering planets left and right, but there could have been barely a few hundred Saiyans in existence for all we know.

There were only a few hundred Saiyans at their peak. Back in Z, Raditz even said that the Saiyans always had a low population and in Dragon Ball Minus, it was literally said in a text box that Saiyans only numbered in the thousands. I doubt the Saiyan race in U7 ever broke a million.

[Marlowe89]

Which makes sense. There's obviously millions of planets like in real life with no life and are just gas giants or barren wastelands like Mars. Or other planets where the only life is small bacteria or small animals, and not any intelligent beings, much less fighters.

Plus, there's no clear consensus between scientists and researchers as to how many planets in our universe presently contain life, especially when it comes to advanced organisms akin to mammals, amphibians, and so on. There are billions of planets that are estimated to support life, but to go from that stage to an evolutionary scale as macroscopic as the one on our planet is quite frankly still an astronomical leap.

This actually leads me to wonder exactly what Super's dialogue means by "life" in this context.

[BlueBasilisk]

In chapter 445, Shin says that Majin Buu wiped out hundreds of planets in the span of just a few years. 20-odd years passed between Frieza destroying Vegeta and his trip to Namek so who knows how many planets he wiped out. Even if he and his forces just did one a month that's an additional 240 planets. And Jaco accidentally wiped out an entire planet's inhabitants which got him in deep shit with his bosses at the GP. Suffice it to say, Universe 7 is not a particularly safe place to live.

[Meshack]

In chapter 445, Shin says that Majin Buu wiped out hundreds of planets in the span of just a few years. 20-odd years passed between Frieza destroying Vegeta and his trip to Namek so who knows how many planets he wiped out. Even if he and his forces just did one a month that's an additional 240 planets. And Jaco accidentally wiped out an entire planet's inhabitants which got him in deep shit with his bosses at the GP. Suffice it to say, Universe 7 is not a particularly safe place to live.

He does say Majin-Boo destroyed hundreds of planets but that doesn’t mean there was life on those planets. He could have destroyed hundreds of planets but none of those planets had life on them, half of the planets had life on them, or a fourth of those planets had life on them. Shin didn’t say.

Accoridng to Daizenshuu, the Saiyans and Freeza formed an amicable relationship about Age 731, a year before Vegeta was born. It wasn’t 20-years, wherever you got that from.

[BlueBasilisk]

In chapter 445, Shin says that Majin Buu wiped out hundreds of planets in the span of just a few years. 20-odd years passed between Frieza destroying Vegeta and his trip to Namek so who knows how many planets he wiped out. Even if he and his forces just did one a month that's an additional 240 planets. And Jaco accidentally wiped out an entire planet's inhabitants which got him in deep shit with his bosses at the GP. Suffice it to say, Universe 7 is not a particularly safe place to live.

He does say Majin-Boo destroyed hundreds of planets but that doesn’t mean there was life on those planets. He could have destroyed hundreds of planets but none of those planets had life on them, half of the planets had life on them, or a fourth of those planets had life on them. Shin didn’t say.

He doesn't specify whether they were inhabited or not but Buu wasn't just running amok during that period. He was under Bibidi's direction and kept in his ball when not being used to attack. That's how Shin managed to kill Bibidi in the first place. So unless Buu was being used to blow up random empty planets for shits and giggles it's not unreasonable to guess that a lot of those were worlds with people.

[Meshack]

In chapter 445, Shin says that Majin Buu wiped out hundreds of planets in the span of just a few years. 20-odd years passed between Frieza destroying Vegeta and his trip to Namek so who knows how many planets he wiped out. Even if he and his forces just did one a month that's an additional 240 planets. And Jaco accidentally wiped out an entire planet's inhabitants which got him in deep shit with his bosses at the GP. Suffice it to say, Universe 7 is not a particularly safe place to live.

He does say Majin-Boo destroyed hundreds of planets but that doesn’t mean there was life on those planets. He could have destroyed hundreds of planets but none of those planets had life on them, half of the planets had life on them, or a fourth of those planets had life on them. Shin didn’t say.

He doesn't specify whether they were inhabited or not but Buu wasn't just running amok during that period. He was under Bibidi's direction and kept in his ball when not being used to attack. That's how Shin managed to kill Bibidi in the first place. So unless Buu was being used to blow up random empty planets for shits and giggles it's not unreasonable to guess that a lot of those were worlds with people.

We don’t know if they were inhabited. Saying they were because of Bibidi’s direction is a full assumption and entirely speculation. We don’t know if Bibidi just wanted Boo to destroy planets for his enjoyment. We don’t know

[HeroR]

He does say Majin-Boo destroyed hundreds of planets but that doesn’t mean there was life on those planets. He could have destroyed hundreds of planets but none of those planets had life on them, half of the planets had life on them, or a fourth of those planets had life on them. Shin didn’t say.

He doesn't specify whether they were inhabited or not but Buu wasn't just running amok during that period. He was under Bibidi's direction and kept in his ball when not being used to attack. That's how Shin managed to kill Bibidi in the first place. So unless Buu was being used to blow up random empty planets for shits and giggles it's not unreasonable to guess that a lot of those were worlds with people.

We don’t know if they were inhabited. Saying they were because of Bibidi’s direction is a full assumption and entirely speculation. We don’t know if Bibidi just wanted Boo to destroy planets for his enjoyment. We don’t know

They could of have life, but Majin Buu's rampage was also billions of years ago, so it really doesn't matter to the current timeline.

[Arugela]

I was originally under the impression with DBZ that the 4 kais were watching over one galaxy but it was split into 4 sections. I still wonder if this isn't true. That would make this all make sense more. As you notice in the pics of a universe it's always one galaxy in a bubble. It could be zeno is just watching over single galaxies in the universe and like with the Super dragon ball he is summoned amongst the actual whole universe(This would demonstrate relative power). It would go with zeno being a kid. He may be in training. The universes zeno watch over could be either separate galaxies in the same universe or possibly pairs or all literal other dimensions of the same galaxy. Maybe he has to see repeats of the same galaxy and see how it works out to learn how to run more later in his existence. It's possible all 12 universes are just the same galaxy in different dimensions or it's in pairs of 2 and it's 6 examples of the same galaxies from different dimensions. Either way I still think the universes bubbles are just single galaxies.

I think one thing that would clear this up is if we find out if there is an earth in any other universe besides 6 and 7. We already say a radrat from another universe like in 7. Maybe the universes are all dimensions of the same universe. In which case is it small or large?

Is dbz based on something that gives a hint. I'm looking at this from western eyes. Does an eastern perspective give more information?

Also is it possible the universe 7 universe/galaxy is just our galaxy from the perspective of 4 arms. 4 kais each rule over each arm of the universe like a literal spiral galaxy with 4 arms? that could also make sense. maybe each universe is just a galaxy in a different dimension or a literal galaxy in a bubble. Maybe each has kais based on the shape of the galaxy. So if other universes are spiral they have multiple kais. Or if they are in a circular galaxy they only have one kai.

Zeno's bubble galaxy's could just be in a larger context and the story and his control only over certain areas of the universe, like single galaxies, that are in the universe or scattered over multiple dimensions.

It's also possible things like earth develop in each galaxy both in and out of a single universe. Say all galaxy develop the same and all have an earth and other structures but develop differently because of the effect of the life in it. Or similar looking galaxies develop the same way and each type has a different structure and there are two earth bearing galaxies in zeno's control.

Then there is this idea: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/dragon-b ... e-17587928

[Asura]

What if the 28 planets were actually foreshadowing? What if they brought up the fact that U7 was mostly empty for a reason? Could this be hinting at bringing the inhabitants of the other universes to U7 at the end of the ToP instead of bringing back their individual universes, which the Zenos disliked?

[BlueBasilisk]

What if the 28 planets were actually foreshadowing? What if they brought up the fact that U7 was mostly empty for a reason? Could this be hinting at bringing the inhabitants of the other universes to U7 at the end of the ToP instead of bringing back their individual universes, which the Zenos disliked?

That's what I'm hoping for. Leaving Universe 7 as it is would be a pretty bad move from a storytelling standpoint. There's nothing left to do there. The only noteworthy threat remaining is Frieza who he had to be brought back from the dead and Goku could easily kill him again. All the other strong fighters are Goku's family and small circle of friends. Bringing everyone together would revitalize 'our' universe and provide vast storytelling potential. I also think it would help smooth out some of the really morally sketchy stuff in this arc in a very tidy way while still giving Zeno what he wanted. And like Goku and co pointed out in the U6 arc, how much would your planet changing universes really impact your life?

There's the question of what to do with those other 7 GoDs and Kais but there are a number of ways that can be resolved. Fire them, kill them off, or let everyone work together. The Sacred Kai Planet isn't exactly crowded.

But it does seem like it'll be an important point since it featured in both the anime and manga in basically the same way.