So we gonna ignore the fact Tenshinhan got trashed??

[Arg]

It's not like Tenshinhan was aiming to seriously harm him or anything, I think it's just a low showing with a high amount of plot induced stupidity which is nothing new, it happens all the time in comics.

He'll look better in episode 90.

My PC answer:
Goku stated that Kame-sen'nin has been secretly training all this time, and surely must have surpassed at least Kuririn as well.

Even if Roshi is somehow stronger than Tenshinhan, that wouldn't mean he's stronger than Kuririn who had a far more impressive showing against Goku.

Roshi was taken out by Base Goku pretty easily. He may have been under someone's control in order to bring out his full power but Goku still didn't feel the need to transform to defeat him.

Meanwhile Kuririn dominated Base Gohan without really trying. Then he technically defeated Goku in a tournament setting. He was also more than a match for Base Goku, forcing him to transform into SSJ with his attacks.

Roshi being stronger would also heavily conflict with the synopsis for the arc which refers to Kuririn as the strongest Earthling.

Technically defeated? The guy almost fainted, you can't even coun't it as a technical win without including 18.

[Shinda Forever]

It's not like Tenshinhan was aiming to seriously harm him or anything, I think it's just a low showing with a high amount of plot induced stupidity which is nothing new, it happens all the time in comics.

He'll look better in episode 90.

My PC answer:
Goku stated that Kame-sen'nin has been secretly training all this time, and surely must have surpassed at least Kuririn as well.

Even if Roshi is somehow stronger than Tenshinhan, that wouldn't mean he's stronger than Kuririn who had a far more impressive showing against Goku.

Roshi was taken out by Base Goku pretty easily. He may have been under someone's control in order to bring out his full power but Goku still didn't feel the need to transform to defeat him.

Meanwhile Kuririn dominated Base Gohan without really trying. Then he technically defeated Goku in a tournament setting. He was also more than a match for Base Goku, forcing him to transform into SSJ with his attacks.

Roshi being stronger would also heavily conflict with the synopsis for the arc which refers to Kuririn as the strongest Earthling.

Kuririn didn't dominate base Gohan, the truth is that Gohan and Goku were only testing Kuririn's limits nothing else. The only thing that Kuririn showed was his experience as a warrior and how smart he can be in a Bukokai type tournament to outsmart his opponents.

[MainJPW]

Technically defeated? The guy almost fainted, you can't even coun't it as a technical win without including 18.

A technical win against a base form Goku is what I meant, Kuririn almost blew Goku off the arena and the dude had to transform just to stop it from happening.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Tenshinhan isn't necessarily weaker than Roshi. He could have underestimated him and been caught off guard, and Roshi also had a power boost from the magic.

[JulianStyles]

It was a poorly written episode thats written by Toei the same guys who wrote Yajorobi beating Krillin in training before the Sayain arc, the same writers who wrote Yamcha beating Krillin before the Cell games.

Toei writers and animators are random dudes each week that dont know the source material. Just given story boards.

Episode 90 could have Tenshinhan going toe to toe with Mystic Gohan and defeating Piccolo and then more questions will arise.

Roshi wont be able to fly or power up Ki. Which will make 89 bullshit. The real test will be the tournament which will follow Akiras storyline. These build up episodes have been filler and guess work by Toei. With more visual pleasing fights than actual ones that make sense.

[JulieYBM]

It was a poorly written episode thats written by Toei the same guys who wrote Yajorobi beating Krillin in training before the Sayain arc, the same writers who wrote Yamcha beating Krillin before the Cell games.

Toei writers and animators are random dudes each week that dont know the source material. Just given story boards.

Episode 90 could have Tenshinhan going toe to toe with Mystic Gohan and defeating Piccolo and then more questions will arise.

Roshi wont be able to fly or power up Ki. Which will make 89 bullshit. The real test will be the tournament which will follow Akiras storyline. These build up episodes have been filler and guess work by Toei. With more visual pleasing fights than actual ones that make sense.

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[ArchedThunder]

Roshi used his paralysis technique from DB, it probably would have had the same effect on Goku as well.

[Grimlock]

Chiaotzu paralyzed Goku and everyone ignored. So... OH MY GOD! SON GOKU GOT TRASHED!

[Zephyr]

Chiaotzu paralyzed Goku and everyone ignored. So... OH MY GOD! SON GOKU GOT TRASHED!

Dude, that's true! Back in the Saiyan arc, he couldn't even hold Nappa! And now he can hold Goku, who is like, at least 599.99 Nappa by now!

Humans are back, baby.

[Yomi]

The dude trained since god knows how long, and simply gets trashed by Muten Roshi??! I only have one reaction to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHQ5GCqikGc

Didn't He use his Bankoku Shock Surprise Technique?
It's not like he defeated him with a blast or something, it was a special technique.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm pretty sure the magic talisman gave him a power/magic-type boost. I mean, Roshi was flying in the air, while he was possessed by Yurin's spell, when he was fighting Tien. And he sure as hell didn't have the ability to fly prior to that. Plus, it was just one punch and Tien got back up like nothing happened. And Roshi only go the upper hand on him by using the Thunder Shock Surprise, which is a special technique, much like Solar Flare and the Evil Containment Wave, you can't really no-sell.

[Yomi]

I'm pretty sure the magic talisman gave him a power/magic-type boost. I mean, Roshi was flying in the air, while he was possessed by Yurin's spell, when he was fighting Tien. And he sure as hell didn't have the ability to fly prior to that. Plus, it was just one punch and Tien got back up like nothing happened. And Roshi only go the upper hand on him by using the Thunder Shock Surprise, which is a special technique, much like Solar Flare and the Evil Containment Wave, you can't really no-sell.

Krillin used Solar Flare/Distructo Disc on Frieza and it was successful.
Are we going to ignore the fact that Frieza got trashed?? lel.

[Gafonso6]

I'm pretty sure the magic talisman gave him a power/magic-type boost. I mean, Roshi was flying in the air, while he was possessed by Yurin's spell, when he was fighting Tien. And he sure as hell didn't have the ability to fly prior to that. Plus, it was just one punch and Tien got back up like nothing happened. And Roshi only go the upper hand on him by using the Thunder Shock Surprise, which is a special technique, much like Solar Flare and the Evil Containment Wave, you can't really no-sell.

Krillin used Solar Flare/Distructo Disc on Frieza and it was successful.
Are we going to ignore the fact that Frieza got trashed?? lel.

Krillin stronger than Freeza since Z! Confirmed 100% infinite/10

[batistabus]

I'm pretty sure the magic talisman gave him a power/magic-type boost.

I've heard this a couple of times, and it would seem plausible, except for when we consider how Goku reacted. He doesn't say "Wow, this magic is really bringing the old man to a new level!, he says that he's impressed by his strength and that Kame-sen'nin must've been training in secret. This implies that Goku thinks that the power is all his own.

Either way, I doubt these events will have any impact on the actual ToP.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm pretty sure the magic talisman gave him a power/magic-type boost.

I've heard this a couple of times, and it would seem plausible, except for when we consider how Goku reacted. He doesn't say "Wow, this magic is really bringing the old man to a new level!, he says that he's impressed by his strength and that Kame-sen'nin must've been training in secret. This implies that Goku thinks that the power is all his own.

Either way, I doubt these events will have any impact on the actual ToP.

The properties of the talisman and Yurin's spell at the very least gave Roshi some kind of access to unique abilities that he didn't have before, given he suddenly had the ability of flight.

[precita]

Either way, the ep was still mostly a filler story. I'm sure Tenshinhan will perform decently well in the tournament.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I'm pretty sure the magic talisman gave him a power/magic-type boost.

I've heard this a couple of times, and it would seem plausible, except for when we consider how Goku reacted. He doesn't say "Wow, this magic is really bringing the old man to a new level!, he says that he's impressed by his strength and that Kame-sen'nin must've been training in secret. This implies that Goku thinks that the power is all his own.

Either way, I doubt these events will have any impact on the actual ToP.

The properties of the talisman and Yurin's spell at the very least gave Roshi some kind of access to unique abilities that he didn't have before, given he suddenly had the ability of flight.

No opinion but just to play devils advocate....why couldnt Roshi train to fly?

[Lord Beerus]

I've heard this a couple of times, and it would seem plausible, except for when we consider how Goku reacted. He doesn't say "Wow, this magic is really bringing the old man to a new level!, he says that he's impressed by his strength and that Kame-sen'nin must've been training in secret. This implies that Goku thinks that the power is all his own.

Either way, I doubt these events will have any impact on the actual ToP.

The properties of the talisman and Yurin's spell at the very least gave Roshi some kind of access to unique abilities that he didn't have before, given he suddenly had the ability of flight.

No opinion but just to play devils advocate....why couldnt Roshi train to fly?

Well, if he could do it, he would have done in during the Resurrection F arc.

[precita]

You know this really puts into perspective that people continually forget just how far removed Tenshinhan and the other humans are from the Saiyans. Tenshinhan was never really treated much better than Krillin or even Yamcha in the series, it only seems that way because he had two big moments entirely focused on him (stopping Cell's second form, coming back when Buu appeared), but he still wasn't able to really do anything or stop them.

[batistabus]

You know this really puts into perspective that people continually forget just how far removed Tenshinhan and the other humans are from the Saiyans. Tenshinhan was never really treated much better than Krillin or even Yamcha in the series, it only seems that way because he had two big moments entirely focused on him (stopping Cell's second form, coming back when Buu appeared), but he still wasn't able to really do anything or stop them.

He also won the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budokai.