Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

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Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Freeza9000 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:54 am

The fact that killing is actually prohibited in the ToP is just inconceivably stupid and idiotic. What's the big fucking deal?! The losing universes and their fighters are going to be erased from existence anyway (which is a far worse fate than simple death), so why even give a shit about that? As a matter of fact, a death of a U7 member like Vegeta or Gohan or from another universe would add a lot of tension and drama to the story. It would also help raise the stakes even more as each member of every universe will be resorting to any means to survive this all out "war", hence the Universal Survival Arc.
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Simere » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:58 am

I doubt it's about morality. It's most likely some sort of "killing is less skillful" reasoning.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:11 am

It's just to keep in-line with a the traditional rules.
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Boo Machine » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:19 am

It's also a good way to keep DBS from becoming a gore fest. Some of these fighters would probably rip a dude in half.
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Freeza9000 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:24 am

Boo Machine wrote:It's also a good way to keep DBS from becoming a gore fest. Some of these fighters would probably rip a dude in half.
By something along the lines of a carnage is what makes it all the more interesting though. It really emphasizes how each warrior from their respective universes are desperate for their survival to resorting to any means to win.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:It's just to keep in-line with a the traditional rules.
Does it have to follow those traditional rules though? Trying something different for a change would at least make things more interesting.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Boo Machine » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:30 am

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Boo Machine wrote:It's also a good way to keep DBS from becoming a gore fest. Some of these fighters would probably rip a dude in half.
By something along the lines of a carnage is what makes it all the more interesting though. It really emphasizes how each warrior from their respective universes are desperate for their survival to resorting to any means to win.
Which would make perfect sense if any of the universes seemed desperate and scared for their lives and there was more tension between teams. But they're all just kind of there like it's any old tournament. Cocky and excited to fight. Cabba even runs up to Vegeta like it's some family reunion.

The tones pretty light despite the stakes.
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Freeza9000 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:34 am

Boo Machine wrote:
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Boo Machine wrote:It's also a good way to keep DBS from becoming a gore fest. Some of these fighters would probably rip a dude in half.
By something along the lines of a carnage is what makes it all the more interesting though. It really emphasizes how each warrior from their respective universes are desperate for their survival to resorting to any means to win.
Which would make perfect sense if any of the universes seemed desperate and scared for their lives and there was more tension between teams. But they're all just kind of there like it's any old tournament. Cocky and excited to fight. Cabba even runs up to Vegeta like it's some family reunion.

The tones pretty light despite the stakes.
Not all universes were there just for the sake of experiencing excitement. Hell, we actually get to see some universes actually desperate for their won survival to the point of sabotaging other teams.

And the fact that there were even scenes such as the ones you've mentioned is bad writing for the arc and the tone being very inconsistent.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by TheZFighter » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:37 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:It's just to keep in-line with a the traditional rules.
This is what I was going to say. Totally in-keeping with other tournaments (minus Cell Games).
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Fizzer » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:58 am

I think it's basically just because it's Super. If Toriyama had been writing this story back in the day as a continuation of the original serialisation, I suspect this would have been a deathmatch with the standard DBZ-level of weight given to it.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:05 am

Fizzer wrote:I think it's basically just because it's Super. If Toriyama had been writing this story back in the day as a continuation of the original serialisation, I suspect this would have been a deathmatch with the standard DBZ-level of weight given to it.
Toriyama never took that route in his tournaments with the sole exception of the Cell Games, which ended up not actually being a tournament once all was said and done.
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Ki Breaker » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:08 am

It wouldn't be fair, they went the extra mile to make everything as fair as possible, if killing is allowed contestants chosen would be only be filled with burtes who don't know anything other than mindless violence
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Fizzer » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:13 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Fizzer wrote:I think it's basically just because it's Super. If Toriyama had been writing this story back in the day as a continuation of the original serialisation, I suspect this would have been a deathmatch with the standard DBZ-level of weight given to it.
Toriyama never took that route in his tournaments with the sole exception of the Cell Games, which ended up not actually being a tournament once all was said and done.
Of course not, when they were simply martial arts tournaments. Even the 23rd TB, while a set up for Goku vs Piccolo Jr, was a martial arts tournament first and foremost and Goku was following the rules (although Piccolo didn't intend to). The Cell games was about the fate of the Earth, so that was different. The Tournament of Power is about the fate of the universe, so that would be different too.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by BlueBasilisk » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:19 am

If killing was allowed, someone like Frieza could take out a huge swath of the field with death beams in an instant, blow up the ring, do something like Buu's mass candu beam, etc. It's to ensure a contest of skill and good fights for Zen-Oh's amusement. That's the point of the tournament after all.

I think it's also because the grand priest will reveal that nobody will be erased if Zen-Oh is satisfied, and the winner won't need to waste their wish reviving falled comrades.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by omaro34 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:35 am

It's a kid show targeted towards Japanese boys. 80 fighters all together in one spot killing each other is too gory to illustrate.
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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by LightBing » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:42 am

Because killing is easy. Someone could just nuke the arena or slice people up. That isn't entertaining at all and that's ultimately Zeno's reasoning for this set of rules. Which greatly rewards weaker fighters and those more reliant on gimmicks.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Yedis » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:52 am

In Universe: Entertaining Zeno is the goal of the tournament. If Hit just went around one shotting everybody because of Hax then it wouldn't be fun. And I think it prevents someone from pulling a self destructive attack to take out the entire field except their universe.

Out of Universe: Toriyama doesn't want it that dark. It goes along with tournament rules that have been in place since the beginning of DB

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by AloversGaming » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:03 am

Cause it seems my boy Hit did something to anger the Gods and they be nerfing him since :D

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:04 am

Yep. It clashes and not in a good way with the story they are trying to tell and the kind of stakes they are trying to establish. The tone doesn't match at all imo.

This is not the tournament for the title of strongest under the heavens, it is a tournament of survival and the best way to depict it would've been characters playing dirty and doing anything to ensure the survival of their team and by extension their universe. But, here there are stupid rules and restrictions.

Although, DBS' time slot restrictions would've made killing with no blood and brutality even more stupid like some of the Future Trunks arc scenes, so it makes sense they went with this approach. I don't like it, but eh whatever.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:52 pm

To make the tournament more entertaining and for it follow it the traditional rules of martial arts tournaments. Allowing the opponents to kill each other would realistically take the fun out of the whole concept of the tournament because all the contestants would just go straight to using the their most powerful and hax abilities and skills and the tournament would end in under 5 minutes, and leave Zeno(s) unimpressed.

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Re: Why is killing not allowed in the Tournament of Power?

Post by Lionel » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:17 pm

Just because they can't kill doesn't mean they can't brutally damage their opponents via mutilation or shattered limbs. Whatever stipulations made aren't specific enough to deter from some pushing their adversaries to the brink of death à la Nail against Freeza. I would personally find it more enjoyable if it was a hair-pulling, flesh gnawing, nitty gritty struggle for survival like some are proposing. It better accommodates the subtext of the whole entire event and what it is intended to be dictating. But the show's synthetic light hearted themes and jovial main protagonist would sort of be out of their element, wouldn't they? Not that they haven't already with the previous arc.
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