???Shinda Forever wrote:Saying that Hitto doesn't need to beat anyone, because, he defeated Goku would mean that half of the cast wouldn't be here.
The only person competing in the tournament who has ever beaten Goku clean in Super, is Hit.
http://www.dragonballsuperofficial.com/It is just pure nonsense. Hitto needs to beat a big gun to establish himself as a main character in the series.
Who's that next to Goku on the official Website? Is that Hit?
Maybe here? Who's the character that's scaled the biggest after Goku? Is that Hit? I can't seem to find Hit's character bio on the official site that lists the main characters. DO you see it?
http://www.dragonballsuperofficial.com/about/
Maybe we'll have more luck on Dragonball Z.com.
http://www.dragonballz.com/
Who's that next to Goku on the DVD that dominates the front page? Is that Hit?
Hit isn't a main character. He's barely ever on promo material.He barely gets screentime. His background is non existent, nor does he have much personality. Because you think Hit is cool, you want him to be more of a main character than Vegeta, which isn't going to happen.
Vegeta didn't do any worse than Goku in the Zamasu arc. Didn't do any worse in the revival of F arc. Both conceeded it was a tie. He surpassed Goku SS3 as a SS2, he earned SSB on his own, he defeated the most people from U6, 2 on which were curbstomps in order to make Vegeta seem powerful before being fed to Hit. Because if he didn't seem powerful, it would have been pointless. If he doesn't beat anyone strong, he doesn't come across as a "big gun", as you put it.Saying that Vegeta needs to beat anyone, because, he lost, it is just more nonsense, Vegeta is there to lose in every arc since he isn't the main character and makes Goku look better by losing first.
We clearly aren't watching the same show.Maybe you don't know this, but, to be someone's rival, you need to surpass or be surpassed several times in a tight rivalry and Goku always owns Vegeta and several times by a large margin, just look at what happened in the cell and majin buu arcs.
He surpassed Vegeta thrice in dbz, Vegeta surpassed him twice. Allow me to list them.
Goku surpasses Vegeta:
Late Namek Saga.
Cell Saga
Buu Saga. (explainable through otherworld training being more efficient and having a more durable (dead) body to train with)
Vegeta surpasses Goku:
Earlier Namek Saga
Android Saga (Piccolo's word in the manga)
It's written by Toriyama, so it gives us an idea of where his mind is.Dragon ball online is just a video game nothing else,
Toriyama didn't write that. And if you think they'd give away the ending to this arc in DB heroes...justin db heroes, we also see Golden Frieza and Goku standing alone against Jiren. Where was Vegeta?
Why would they want to make him a main character? Seriously why?Actually, it is both, having screentime and being effective. Hitto barely had time in this show and if the producers and Toriyama want to make of him a main character in the show, he needs to beat some big guns and stay on top 4 this time.
That doesn't mean anything because base Goku was keeping up with Golden Frieza before he went Blue. Ki. Control.Goku and Frieza knocked out each other which means they are equal, but, despite being koed, Frieza still maintained his golden form while Goku lost his blue form.
Based on what? The Kamehameha against Zamasu? Goku broke his arms doing it, which Vegeta didn't. If Vegeta broke his arms with his then we could use that feat to compare. But as it stands, we can't, as it's clear Goku tried a lot harder. Besides that feat, please tell me what evidence you're using.Once more presuming that just because Vegeta trained in the rosat made him stronger than Goku is wishful thinking thinking since that already happened before and Goku came up on top by a large margin.
Kaioken is one step ahead. Being superior in base SSB as well is two steps ahead. One, two. Why do I need to prove it when I'm saying the show hasn't told us yet. You're the one making the definitive claim. You need to prove it. You haven't done so as far as I'm concerned.Goku is always one step ahead of Vegeta, the burden of proof resides on you and why this time would be different.
We know Goku will engage Jiren in combat, but the intro is completely out of context. You can't say that's the final two. Because again - Based on what?[/quote]Goku vs Jiren will happen and it is shown in the intro. One thing is certain it won't be Vegeta vs Goku.