Manga and Anime SSJ form differences

[superfan2024]

You know, there wouldn't even be that much controversy if Goku just used SSJ3 on Kale instead of Blue. I may be wrong about what i'm about to say, but I believe that the SSJ transformations between the manga and anime are very disconnected. And this all started with the inclusion of the SSJB Kaioken. Here's a comparison between how I think how strong each form is compared between the anime to the manga:

SSJG (manga) = SSJB (anime)
Trunks' Advanced SSJ2 = SSJ Rage (anime)
SSJB/Full Powered SSJB (manga) = SSJB Kaioken (anime)

Like I said, this is only a prediction based upon how events unfolded between the two. With this, I believe that Goku would use SSJG on Kale instead of SSJB in the manga. Same thing goes for Goku/Vegeta vs the Trio De Dangers.

And, this may also be why people think that SSJB is weaker than it actually should be.

[superfan2024]

Any thoughts?

[nato25]

The discrepancies definitely make it hard for me to distinguish what's going with the forms. Where as in Z SSJ3 was always SSJ3, it had the same 'feats of power' and same drawbacks.

Where as with Super, SSB is basically two different forms outside of the look and blue hair. I can't remember for the life of me what each medium is doing with the 'stamina drain' of Blue. There is even instances where forms exist soley in one version with SSG Vegeta in the manga, mastered SSB in the manga, SSJ 'rage' Trunks in the anime. It's a mess no doubt but I guess this was kind of inevitable thanks to Toriyama only providing the backbone and then leaving Toei and Toyotaro to their own devices.

[superfan2024]

The discrepancies definitely make it hard for me to distinguish what's going with the forms. Where as in Z SSJ3 was always SSJ3, it had the same 'feats of power' and same drawbacks.

Where as with Super, SSB is basically two different forms outside of the look and blue hair. I can't remember for the life of me what each medium is doing with the 'stamina drain' of Blue. There is even instances where forms exist soley in one version with SSG Vegeta in the manga, mastered SSB in the manga, SSJ 'rage' Trunks in the anime. It's a mess no doubt but I guess this was kind of inevitable thanks to Toriyama only providing the backbone and then leaving Toei and Toyotaro to their own devices.

Yeah, i'm not sure if it was a lack of communication between Toriyama, Toei, and Toyotaro (for instance the rumor of Toriyama just saying that Goku used a red form we haven't seen in a while during his fight with Hit), or if it's just that Toyotaro and Toei wanted to do their own things differently or the way that they wanted.

But I released that there are even more comparisons between the forms. Now I have a feeling that Trunks' advanced SSJ2 form in the manga (that made him as strong as a SSJ3) is the equivalence towards the anime's SSJ Rage form, but that's only my assumption because the anime didn't explain anything about the form other than rage.

[Dragonballgod19]

The discrepancies definitely make it hard for me to distinguish what's going with the forms. Where as in Z SSJ3 was always SSJ3, it had the same 'feats of power' and same drawbacks.

Where as with Super, SSB is basically two different forms outside of the look and blue hair. I can't remember for the life of me what each medium is doing with the 'stamina drain' of Blue. There is even instances where forms exist soley in one version with SSG Vegeta in the manga, mastered SSB in the manga, SSJ 'rage' Trunks in the anime. It's a mess no doubt but I guess this was kind of inevitable thanks to Toriyama only providing the backbone and then leaving Toei and Toyotaro to their own devices.

I rather have super saiyan rage because the manga flat out made trunks useless in his own arc

[Dragonballgod19]

Honestly what the manga did to trunks was beyond horrible they made him useless in his own arc and he didn't even have super saiyan rage or even vegeta techniques were he was basically Sakura in the manga

[Shinda Forever]

What Toyataro did in the manga was garbage. Hitto was weaker than Vegeta which is baloney and everything was too much saiyajin centered, ie, the manga feels like a saiyajin fanfic without any balance, the only good thing in the manga is that Goku and vegeta can use ssj god forms.

[The gr]

What Toyataro did in the manga was garbage. Hitto was weaker than Vegeta which is baloney and everything was too much saiyajin centered, ie, the manga feels like a saiyajin fanfic without any balance, the only good thing in the manga is that Goku and vegeta can use ssj god forms.

Hit was only weaker than goku and vegeta because he can't kill people,hes more of a technique guy than at raw power and really if your complaining then why your not complaining the anime because it also focus on the saiyans up until the USA arc

[Shinda Forever]

What Toyataro did in the manga was garbage. Hitto was weaker than Vegeta which is baloney and everything was too much saiyajin centered, ie, the manga feels like a saiyajin fanfic without any balance, the only good thing in the manga is that Goku and vegeta can use ssj god forms.

Hit was only weaker than goku and vegeta because he can't kill people,hes more of a technique guy than at raw power and really if your complaining then why your not complaining the anime because it also focus on the saiyans up until the USA arc

The thing is that in the anime Hitto is stronger than Vegeta and Goku, furthermore, Hitto has Seicho in the anime and he was able to keep up with Goku when they fought a second time, ie, Hitto is ssj blue material while in the manga he is ssj god material, big difference.
You are not reading my posts, i heavily criticize the anime because it also focus on the saiyajins all the time.

[The gr]

What Toyataro did in the manga was garbage. Hitto was weaker than Vegeta which is baloney and everything was too much saiyajin centered, ie, the manga feels like a saiyajin fanfic without any balance, the only good thing in the manga is that Goku and vegeta can use ssj god forms.

Hit was only weaker than goku and vegeta because he can't kill people,hes more of a technique guy than at raw power and really if your complaining then why your not complaining the anime because it also focus on the saiyans up until the USA arc

The thing is that in the anime Hitto is stronger than Vegeta and Goku, furthermore, Hitto has Seicho in the anime and he was able to keep up with Goku when they fought a second time, ie, Hitto is ssj blue material while in the manga he is ssj god material, big difference.
You are not reading my posts, i heavily criticize the anime because it also focus on the saiyajins all the time.

Just saying through the manga and anime have supporting characters like bulma,beers,shin,whis,gowasu and ft mai so is not a saiyans show as you thought

True,lets just wait for the top,he will probably be stronget there

[Shinda Forever]

Hit was only weaker than goku and vegeta because he can't kill people,hes more of a technique guy than at raw power and really if your complaining then why your not complaining the anime because it also focus on the saiyans up until the USA arc

The thing is that in the anime Hitto is stronger than Vegeta and Goku, furthermore, Hitto has Seicho in the anime and he was able to keep up with Goku when they fought a second time, ie, Hitto is ssj blue material while in the manga he is ssj god material, big difference.
You are not reading my posts, i heavily criticize the anime because it also focus on the saiyajins all the time.

Just saying through the manga and anime have supporting characters like bulma,beers,shin,whis,gowasu and ft mai so is not a saiyans show as you thought

True,lets just wait for the top,he will probably be stronget there

I hope so.

[Saturnine]

You know, there wouldn't even be that much controversy if Goku just used SSJ3 on Kale instead of Blue. I

I don't think he'd ever use SSj3 in a tournament where outlasting his opponents is essential. I think he can go Blue and suppress himself to a powerlevel equivalent to SSj3, not a very popular opinion these days though, it would seem.

[TheOne]

Honestly what the manga did to trunks was beyond horrible they made him useless in his own arc and he didn't even have super saiyan rage or even vegeta techniques were he was basically Sakura in the manga

I was fine without the Spirit Bomb Sword. I'm sure most would agree

[TheOne]

You know, there wouldn't even be that much controversy if Goku just used SSJ3 on Kale instead of Blue. I

I don't think he'd ever use SSj3 in a tournament where outlasting his opponents is essential. I think he can go Blue and suppress himself to a powerlevel equivalent to SSj3, not a very popular opinion these days though, it would seem.

That's true. Stamina is everything in this tournament.

Which is why it's upsetting that Jiren just has his arms crossed the entire time during the tournament while Goku and Vegeta are constantly fighting.