People are getting tired of Goku and here is why

[Vegeta-Sama]

The thing is Goku had more than enough screentime in the recruitment Episodes, he was fighting everyone of U7 except Vegeta.
Did we really needed 2 Episodes of Goku and 17 vs Space Pirates instead focusing on other universe characters?

Obuni is the perfect example:
Great character, good design, honorable fighter.
Why not build him properly to make U10s Goodbye more impactful instead we got every damn Episode Goku, Goku and more Goku.

This could be the best Arc of all time and I still think its great so far but as I said before if we had less Goku and the other Universe got more development we would more care.

[Jigurashi]

The thing is Goku had more than enough screentime in the recruitment Episodes, he was fighting everyone of U7 except Vegeta.
Did we really needed 2 Episodes of Goku and 17 vs Space Pirates instead focusing on other universe characters?

Obuni is the perfect example:
Great character, good design, honorable fighter.
Why not build him properly to make U10s Goodbye more impactful instead we got every damn Episode Goku, Goku and more Goku.

This could be the best Arc of all time and I still think its great so far but as I said before if we had less Goku and the other Universe got more development we would more care.

I agree with point of this post, but mentioning Goku as the only one apparently preventing someone like Obuni from getting more screen time makes no sense when there's others just as responsible for doing stuff like that.

[MajinMan]

I'd rather have Goku appear in every episode than see Vegeta go, "Kakarotto, I will defeat you and win this tournament! I am Vegeta-sama! Damn you! Screw teamwork! Arghhhh!!!"

That's literally all he's been for 90% of this arc. He's boring, annoying, useless, and uninteresting. I do want to see some Freeza action soon, though.

[namekiansaiyan]

I'd rather have Goku appear in every episode than see Vegeta go, "Kakarotto, I will defeat you and win this tournament! I am Vegeta-sama! Damn you! Screw teamwork! Arghhhh!!!"

That's literally all he's been for 90% of this arc. He's boring, annoying, useless, and uninteresting. I do want to see some Freeza action soon, though.

The best Vegeta episodes are when he gets beat up and gets extremely frustrated.

[sintzu]

The best Vegeta episodes are when he gets beat up and gets extremely frustrated.

Nothing tops him telling the batman wannabe to get his green sorry behind out of the ring during Champa's tournament .

[namekiansaiyan]

The best Vegeta episodes are when he gets beat up and gets extremely frustrated.

Nothing tops him telling the batman wannabe to get his green sorry behind out of the ring during Champa's tournament .

He just wanted to see Vegeta get all cocky by beating Frost, Magetta and Cabba so his beatdown from Hit will be even more satisfying.

Vegeta just wishes he could have as much style as Piccolo has.

[emperior]

I'd rather have Goku appear in every episode than see Vegeta go, "Kakarotto, I will defeat you and win this tournament! I am Vegeta-sama! Damn you! Screw teamwork! Arghhhh!!!"

That's literally all he's been for 90% of this arc. He's boring, annoying, useless, and uninteresting. I do want to see some Freeza action soon, though.

I believe the new director isn't much of a Vegeta fan. Before this arc Vegeta was being treated as a protagonist along with Goku, but now it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

[sintzu]

I believe the new director isn't much of a Vegeta fan. Before this arc Vegeta was being treated as a protagonist along with Goku, but now it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

So he's one of those "just a fan of the main character" directors ? great .

At this point it looks like the manga is where Vegeta fans can expect him to get major screen time.

[Michsi]

I believe the new director isn't much of a Vegeta fan. Before this arc Vegeta was being treated as a protagonist along with Goku, but now it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

So he's one of those "just a fan of the main character" directors ? great .

At this point it looks like the manga is where Vegeta fans can expect him to get major screen time.

Well darn it, Goku fans get the anime, Vegeta fans get the manga.
Guess it's fanart for the rest of us....

[SsjCookie]

How boring would it be if Goku landed on Namek early with a powerlevel of 180,000 and just owned everybody until the Ginyu fight. Because that's what this is.

That'd be OK if he wasn't taking part in the final fight but not only will that happen but he's also getting a new form. the over focus on him now doesn't make sense cause he's going to get plenty of screen time at the end and during the events leading up to it.

UNLESS.....they are setting him up for an epic fail.
Now THAT would really be an original plot twist. ....He loses, everyone dies!

The end.

[Jigurashi]

How boring would it be if Goku landed on Namek early with a powerlevel of 180,000 and just owned everybody until the Ginyu fight. Because that's what this is.

That'd be OK if he wasn't taking part in the final fight but not only will that happen but he's also getting a new form. the over focus on him now doesn't make sense cause he's going to get plenty of screen time at the end and during the events leading up to it.

UNLESS.....they are setting him up for an epic fail.
Now THAT would really be an original plot twist. ....He loses, everyone dies!

The end.

This is Super, I fully expect him to lose lol. It'd be a bigger twist if he won in the end tbh. Wouldn't mind either outcome.

[sintzu]

Goku fans get the anime, Vegeta fans get the manga.
Guess it's fanart for the rest of us....

Pretty much. None Goku and Vegeta fans have been left in the dust since BOG.

[Simere]

Goku fans get Dragon Ball.

[Jigurashi]

Goku fans get Dragon Ball.

Pretty much lol.

[Totamo]

What's the problem with Goku being always there? It wasn't that different in Dragon Ball.

Goku was very likable in DB and when Toriyama expanded the cast in Z, it's only natural for people to expect the same thing in its sequel, not going backwards to just Goku again.

None of that amounted to anything and those arcs started or ended because of Goku.

Which is why I said Goku was very much the main characters in Z, his presence was always felt but never forced.

When Goku showed up in Z it was exciting cause we weren't with him 24/7, it gave his screen time more weight. half of what made his fight with Cell so epic was the fact that he hadn't fought anyone since #19.

For all his screentime his development as a character is also virtually non-existent nowadays (Super's nature of midquel is partly to blame).

I would've loved Goku donning a slightly more mature, mentor-like persona, with Gohan, Goten and Trunks handling the regular foes and Goku and Vegeta being the "main men" whenever shit got serious.

That's because his (and everyone else') development ended in the manga, most of what we're seeing now is going over old ground again.

Look what they did to Hit, why did Goku have to take part in that ? why not let him finish those 2 on his own ? He had the Beerus wannabe under control so surely he could've handled that other thing. That's probably what will happen when other characters get their fights, it'll be Goku and Freeza against Frost, Goku and Vegeta aginst whoever he fight, Goku and Piccolo against the Namaeins, etc.

Actually, it did feel force because Goku was removed from the story and was only used as a plot device.

[fadeddreams5]

I remember when I first watched DBZ. All I cared about was Goku arriving and getting screen time. Fast forward to GT and Super, and I realized that the only reason I constantly wanted to see Goku was because he was rarely present in the battlefield, and when he was, you knew shit was about to get real. It was awesome. This also applied to most of the original Toei movies. Less is more, as they say.

Super only presents us with a caricature of the character, and he seldom receives any development, so seeing him hog the spotlight is very annoying cause this presentation of the character just isn't very good to begin with. I'm more interested in Gohan, Vegeta, Frieza, Android 17, Hit, or even Piccolo doing something.

Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmW4dB7BaBg

It's the moment Goku realized his obsession with fighting strong guys and spared a villain at the expense of the world's well-being. Despite this, he acknowledges how selfish he is being. It's a powerful scene that gave the character proper development by having him embrace part of what makes him a saiyan. The show does not treat this as a joke; the scene is taken very seriously. This scene here, everything that occurs in it, has literally become the biggest running joke in Super, which is infuriating.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Actually, it did feel force because Goku was removed from the story and was only used as a plot device.

Yes, this is in particular from the Android arc onward, the whole convoluted way Toriyama went to take Goku out, the heart virus, and wrote Goku like the absolute stupidest he ever had "I won't take the medicine right now as there is nothing wrong with me" WTF Goku. Goku got written out in the Saiyan and Namek out quite naturally but after it definitely felt forced, and the Buu arc Goku was a literal plot device for anything his behaviour in that arc was unbelievable he'd go from 0-100 quickly, for example he was pro-Fusion for the majority arc and then decides "nah fusion isn't for me" and then a few seconds later starts saying "Oh we should have beat you as Vegetto" and I am there pulling my hair out.

[ekrolo2]

Actually, it did feel force because Goku was removed from the story and was only used as a plot device.

Yes, this is in particular from the Android arc onward, the whole convoluted way Toriyama went to take Goku out, the heart virus, and wrote Goku like the absolute stupidest he ever had "I won't take the medicine right now as there is nothing wrong with me" WTF Goku. Goku got written out in the Saiyan and Namek out quite naturally but after it definitely felt forced, and the Buu arc Goku was a literal plot device for anything his behaviour in that arc was unbelievable he'd go from 0-100 quickly, for example he was pro-Fusion for the majority arc and then decides "nah fusion isn't for me" and then a few seconds later starts saying "Oh we should have beat you as Vegetto" and I am there pulling my hair out.

Another reason why this series should've been put down like the Third Reich after Namek

[perucho1990]

Yes, this is in particular from the Android arc onward, the whole convoluted way Toriyama went to take Goku out, the heart virus, and wrote Goku like the absolute stupidest he ever had "I won't take the medicine right now as there is nothing wrong with me" WTF Goku. Goku got written out in the Saiyan and Namek out quite naturally but after it definitely felt forced, and the Buu arc Goku was a literal plot device for anything his behaviour in that arc was unbelievable he'd go from 0-100 quickly, for example he was pro-Fusion for the majority arc and then decides "nah fusion isn't for me" and then a few seconds later starts saying "Oh we should have beat you as Vegetto" and I am there pulling my hair out.

I agree, it felt forced from the Android Arc onward, because fans still wanted to see Goku in action, and he hadnt gotten stale yet. By the time Gt came out, Goku turned stale as hell, and made things worse when they turned him into a kid and they had him do almost everything himself(See Shadow Dragon Saga).

DBS Goku is very underrated, Toei isnt writing him to do everything in this arc, he hasnt being soloing every person he has facing). In the latest episode he rescued Hit from the Pride Troopers, defeated Kunshee, thats all he did, the spotlight was mostly on Hit, who trounced Dyspo after improving and later eliminated Kunshee.

If it was GT, Goku wouldve eliminated the Pride Troopers, making Kale, Caulifla and Hit worthless characters.

[Kanassa]

I believe the new director isn't much of a Vegeta fan.

Quite the assumption there.