Do you think DBS is a worthy continuation of DB and DBZ?

[precita]

Super will always be hated simply because of the movie adaption episodes, and "Episode 5." First impressions mean a lot, and the beginning of Super was SO BAD it tainted the entire series no matter how much it improved.

Even if Super becomes this amazingly well written show with great plots, characters, development, etc....it was always be viewed negatively by casual fans and hated.

[Son Vegito]

Idk if it's worthy. I don't really like it because of their demographic target and the bad/inconsistent powerlevels and story. The series is improving a lot though by every arc. If there ever is gonna be an Uub arc(my wish since the early 00s), I think it will be watchable by then as far as writing goes.

But sometimes I do wonder how we/I would thought about it if it aired 14 years ago on the TV on a daily basis like back in the old days. We would've seen all of the current ToP episode within the span of two weeks. I think no one would've complained about it being boring and actually praised it because of the action in each episode, unlike the stare matches in Z.
But that's only talking about the current arc though.

My personal thoughts about its existence:
My inner fanboy is very happy that we got another DB series, but it is kinda unfair towards the newer series. The same goes for Boruto. All the promotion such as games go to them. DB had its momentum, now it's time for the newer generation(7DS, MHA, Black Clover). DBZ ended on a high note. Sure we could've gotten small specials afterwards about Goku's life after EoZ, but a series is too much. That's why for me it never should've existed in the first place. The Dragon ball series should've stayed a legend instead of becoming another Pokemon, Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh etc. Basically a branch, but that is what it is.

[sintzu]

My inner fanboy is very happy that we got another DB series, but it is kinda unfair towards the newer series. The same goes for Boruto.

Both are also unfair towards their original work.

When Akira Toriyama was writing Dragon Ball back in the 80's and 90's, it was considered one of the biggest game changers in the manga industry's history. Now however, DB has been reduced to a children's cash grab that has no identity of its own and that goes against everything that made the original great. Sure us older fans know what DB really was but new fans will jsut view it as a toy commercial, something DB was never meant to be. You'd think the companies involved would try to protect such an IP form being ruined but no, $$$ comes first.

Although Naruto isn't as influential as DB, it's still the 3rd highest selling manga of all time so it clearly has a good reputation, one that Boruto so far hasn't been able to live up to.

[precita]

The big fear about Dragonball now is it never ends, and turns into the next Pokemon, Simpsons, etc. that goes on indefinitely. But Dragonball is not that type of show. There's time skips, characters age, and the show has plots that leads to conclusions.

The only way I'd accept Super going on for years is if they move on from the current cast and focus on the new younger generation.

[JazzMazz]

Short answer; no.
DB Super is not a worthy continuation.

Longer answer; hell no.
Db Super is a horrible continuation of the Dragonball franchise.

[sintzu]

The big fear about Dragonball now is it never ends, and turns into the next Pokemon, Simpsons, etc.

Dragonball is not that type of show. There's time skips, characters age.

The show has plots that leads to conclusions.

The only way I'd accept Super going on for years is if they move on from the current cast and focus on the new younger generation.

Toriyama's story will most likely end but there's no way the companies involve will end there, there's too much $$$ to be made. I miss the days when companies would just move on to something else, creating new products that can be just as successful as the old ones.

Super is 100+ plus and everyone looks the same they did in episode 1 so it seems like they're done with time skips and character changes, one of the many things that made the original great that was left behind.

The current plots are very contained so they can just keep doing that.

It won't be DB without the characters we know and love. Boruto is doing that and so far it's been a mess.

[Timetraveller]

Short answer. No.

Even if the final fight between Jiren and Goku is amazing, I can't dismiss the 100 or so bad to mediocre episodes before it.

[Bullza]

Sure it is, Dragon Ball is just a kids action cartoon, it's not exactly a masterpiece of fiction.

Dragon Ball had shit episodes. Dragon Ball Z had shit episodes. Dragon Ball GT had almost entirely shit episodes. Don't make them out to be something that they're not just because of nostalgia.

[Timetraveller]

Sure it is, Dragon Ball is just a kids action cartoon, it's not exactly a masterpiece of fiction.

Dragon Ball had shit episodes. Dragon Ball Z had shit episodes. Dragon Ball GT had almost entirely shit episodes. Don't make them out to be something that they're not just because of nostalgia.

DB, DBZ and GT felt more polished and each one brought something new. DBS piggy backs off the success of DBZ and feels like a shameless commercial for their toys. There's no attempt to even develop the story or the characters. Here's the new female saiyan character that you guys have wanted for years. And look we made her go Super Saiyan....and Super Saiyan 2...and her friend can go Super Saiyan Broly! Find these toys out in all stores soon! The nostalgia argument is a lazy way to dismiss the major flaws this show has.

[sintzu]

Dragon Ball is just a kids action cartoon, it's not exactly a masterpiece of fiction.

It led to the creation of One Piece which is everywhere in Japan and currently the #1 manag worldwide and #3 in all of comics, only behind Batman and Superman.

DB itself is the #2 most selling manga and led to the creation of #3, Naruto.

Yeah at heart it's a kids story but like other Shonen, its writing was good enough to atract older viewers as well and it left a huge mark on the industry for decades to come. To say DB is just a kids story would be selling it and Toriyama's efforts short. Super on the other hand won't be influencing anything and will be forgotten the day it ends.

[Bullza]

DB, DBZ and GT felt more polished and each one brought something new.

While having a ton of shitty episodes along the way. Dragon Ball Z was that dragged out and padded with fluff that they removed 43% of the whole show for Kai and you missed nothing.

They'd fight for about a minute and then get back to staring and talking for about 5 minutes. There was absolute God awful filler especially in the original Dragon Ball but also in Z like Bulma fighting the giant enemy crab. Gohan making friends with a dinosaur and meeting some orphans.

The sheer repetition of over and over again seeing people stare at one another. Waiting for dust to clear out the way. Waiting for them to fire their attack which has become an internet joke in itself. It was a poorly paced series, very poor.

Dragon Ball Z became that transformation heavy that it was mocked within the show. Every villain had to have umpteen transformations. By the Buu saga it had got so far up it's ass with transformations it was just boring in the end.

GT is an absolute travesty and everyone knows it. There's no need to even point out why that was shit because everyone knows why.

So don't make it out to be something it isn't. It was a good but very slow action cartoon and that was all it ever was.

[quote="Sintzu""]Yeah at heart it's a kids story but like other Shonen, its writing was good enough to atract older viewers as well and it left a huge mark on the industry for decades to come. To say DB is just a kids story would be selling it and Toriyama's efforts short. Super on the other hand won't be influencing anything and will be forgotten the day it ends.[/quote]

It was successful of course, people of different ages like it but it not some phenomenal piece of writing. It's a comic intended for kids about super powered aliens beating each other up. It's never going to be thought of as amazing piece storytelling or some masterpiece of writing.

Don't oversell it, it's a very popular and entertaining kids cartoon about fighting. Super won't influence anything specifically because it's not some unique work, it's just a continuation of what has been around for years.

[Timetraveller]

DB, DBZ and GT felt more polished and each one brought something new.

GT is an absolute travesty and everyone knows it. There's no need to even point out why that was shit because everyone knows why.

This is true which is why it's sad that the only other sequel to DBZ is even worse than GT. A complete mess of a story written and animated by a bunch of no names from Toei.

[Bullza]

DB, DBZ and GT felt more polished and each one brought something new.

GT is an absolute travesty and everyone knows it. There's no need to even point out why that was shit because everyone knows why.

This is true which is why it's sad that the only other sequel to DBZ is even worse than GT. A complete mess of a story written and animated by a bunch of no names from Toei.

GT doesn't begin to compare to Super. Super at least has some good things going for it. GT was just straight trash throughout all 64 episodes. Outside of some of the music and the ending there was nothing good about GT at all.

Supers story can be a bit of a mess but it's still drastically better than anything GT ever came out with where it thought a tranny Trunks was a good idea.

This is why the "rose tinted glasses" line came about. You think those shows are better than they actually were.

[Timetraveller]

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[Timetraveller]

GT doesn't begin to compare to Super. Super at least has some good things going for it. GT was just straight trash throughout all 64 episodes. Outside of some of the music and the ending there was nothing good about GT at all.

We all have our opinions. GT to many did more in its 64 episodes than Super has done in its 100 episodes.

Supers story can be a bit of a mess but it's still drastically better than anything GT ever came out with where it thought a tranny Trunks was a good idea.

The maturity level is unreal here man. For context, this was a bit of comedy. The princess of a village was being forced by a monster to be married to him in exchange for their safety and they forced Trunks to infiltrate the monster's hideout in disguise to defeat him and save the village (instead of the actual princess going with him). In other words, Trunks saved the princess and the village. It's creativity that you would never see in DBS. Bulma also dressed kid Goku in a dress in Dragonball but you probably never watched Dragonball.

This is why the "rose tinted glasses" line came about. You think those shows are better than they actually were.

Ah.. the old "nostalgia" argument. Super couldn't possible be bad because every criticism of it is from rose tinted glasses. You're not even attempting to hide your bias now.

[Saturnine]

Supers story can be a bit of a mess but it's still drastically better than anything GT ever came out with where it thought a tranny Trunks was a good idea.

The maturity level is unreal here man. For context, this was a bit of comedy. The princess of a village was being forced by a monster to be married to him in exchange for their safety and they forced Trunks to infiltrate the monster's hideout in disguise to defeat him and save the village (instead of the actual princess going with him). In other words, Trunks saved the princess and the village. It's creativity that you would never see in DBS. Bulma also dressed kid Goku in a dress in the Dragonball but you probably never watched that.

Oh we do understand that it was MEANT to be humor. But it just wasn't very funny. Worse even, the fact that this was a direct mirror of the Oolong story arc and the fact that this whole charade was not necessary at all, since Goku & co. were strong enough at that point to end any such monster in a single punch, made it very hard to suspend the disbelief when watching it.

[Bullza]

We all have our opinions. GT to many did more in its 64 episodes than Super has done in its 100 episodes.

It didn't do anything and more importantly it didn't do anything any good. What it did do is make Pan an insufferable character, pushed most of the popular characters away entirely, Piccolo was in an episode of two? Gohan did nothing. Vegeta did nothing until the last quarter. Krillin and Roshi barely appeared.

It had a childish opening saga. A utterly pointless tiny Super 17 saga and then the other two had some decent ideas which was executed just as bad as the rest.

For context, this was a bit of comedy.

Obviously it was for comedy. I'm sure somewhere there was someone who found tranny Trunks very funny. These same people might have found the Bat Nipples in Batman and Robin funny...but it was still stupid and childish.

It's creativity that you would never see in DBS.

And that's another reason why Super is better. Plus you just said that they did it in Dragon Ball so it's not really creative to repeat the same gag.

Super couldn't possible be bad because every criticism of it is from rose tinted glasses.

It's not a bad show my any means. It has its problems just like the original and Dragon Ball Z. It does some things better and some things worse.

There's some animation issues and then there's some fantastic animated scenes that you never saw in the other shows. It had some character issues but at least the show hasn't pushed it's characters away into the background to be forgotten. It had some story issues but then the story isn't dragged out with 50% mediocre filler either.

[Timetraveller]

Supers story can be a bit of a mess but it's still drastically better than anything GT ever came out with where it thought a tranny Trunks was a good idea.

The maturity level is unreal here man. For context, this was a bit of comedy. The princess of a village was being forced by a monster to be married to him in exchange for their safety and they forced Trunks to infiltrate the monster's hideout in disguise to defeat him and save the village (instead of the actual princess going with him). In other words, Trunks saved the princess and the village. It's creativity that you would never see in DBS. Bulma also dressed kid Goku in a dress in the Dragonball but you probably never watched that.

Oh we do understand that it was MEANT to be humor. But it just wasn't very funny. Worse even, the fact that this was a direct mirror of the Oolong story arc and the fact that this whole charade was not necessary at all, since Goku & co. were strong enough at that point to end any such monster in a single punch, made it very hard to suspend the disbelief when watching it.

It's a one episode filler that's meant to be part of a search for the dragonball adventure. Speaking of unnecessary charades, Goku could've beaten almost every fodder in the ToP if he went Blue. He could've beaten Black in his first encounter if he went Blue and Frieza if he went Blue. If you're okay with some of the things that Super does, suspending your disbelief for one filler episode that doesn't take itself seriously shouldn't be too hard. I enjoyed the episode and found it to be better "filler" than Slime Vegeta.

[Bullza]

It's a one episode filler that's meant to be part of a search for the dragonball adventure. Speaking of unnecessary charades, Goku could've beaten almost every fodder in the ToP if he went Blue. He could've beaten Black in his first encounter if he went Blue and Frieza if he went Blue. If you're okay with some of the things that Super does, suspending your disbelief for one filler episode that doesn't take itself seriously shouldn't be too hard. I enjoyed the episode and found it to be better "filler" than Slime Vegeta.

But loads of GT's episodes were shitty like that. The Black Star Dragon Ball saga in particular was unbelievably bad, there was another episode with the Don Para Para brothers and they were dancing like fools. It was awful stuff.

Goku could have beaten every fodder with Super Saiyan Blue but they said he's pacing himself. It would be good if he used that power only to then get stomped afterward when he had no energy left.

What you're referring to with Frieza doesn't require suspending any belief. If Goku had gone Blue then Frieza would have gone Gold. Goku would never have just beaten down Frieza without letting him transform. You may as well complain about why Goku let Frieza use 100% on Namek. He likes to fight people at their best.

[Timetraveller]

We all have our opinions. GT to many did more in its 64 episodes than Super has done in its 100 episodes.

It didn't do anything and more importantly it didn't do anything any good. What it did do is make Pan an insufferable character, pushed most of the popular characters away entirely, Piccolo was in an episode of two? Gohan did nothing. Vegeta did nothing until the last quarter. Krillin and Roshi barely appeared.

It had a childish opening saga. A utterly pointless tiny Super 17 saga and then the other two had some decent ideas which was executed just as bad as the rest.

For context, this was a bit of comedy.

Obviously it was for comedy. I'm sure somewhere there was someone who found tranny Trunks very funny. These same people might have found the Bat Nipples in Batman and Robin funny...but it was still stupid and childish.

It's creativity that you would never see in DBS.

And that's another reason why Super is better. Plus you just said that they did it in Dragon Ball so it's not really creative to repeat the same gag.

Super couldn't possible be bad because every criticism of it is from rose tinted glasses.

It's not a bad show my any means. It has its problems just like the original and Dragon Ball Z. It does some things better and some things worse.

There's some animation issues and then there's some fantastic animated scenes that you never saw in the other shows. It had some character issues but at least the show hasn't pushed it's characters away into the background to be forgotten. It had some story issues but then the story isn't dragged out with 50% mediocre filler either.

And I'm sure somewhere someone was mature enough to see that Trunks being forced to wear a disguise does not make him a tranny and that Goku being forced to wear a dress does not mean he's a female. lol. You can do better than that.

Creativity doesn't have to be about repeating gags. Super already does that with Pilaf's crew and the repeated food jokes. It's about doing something new that breaks the mold. This episode was mediocre but it's probably the worst of the search for the black star dragon ball arc. That's only because it's already been done before in the Oolong arc. The other episodes focus on things like religion (the Luud cult) which had never been done before. DBS brings back the same villains (with different color schemes) and uses the same tournament format over and over again. That's why people enjoyed the Zamasu arc the most. That's 1 good arc.

Pushing characters away into the background isn't a bad thing. That's what happens with all anime. Pokemon moves to a different region and forgets the other characters ever existed. Roshi and Krillin became underused characters. It's about moving on. You can't expect the same characters to be used over and over again.