What if we are still in the zamasu arc and this is really zamasu in goku's body training to gain how to use it properly. Obviously that would be an explenation of goku's actions. The next arc could then be a restart and new or greater hashed version of the last arc. Either with a twist or not. It could be an even more confusing time travel extravaganza!!
What if the DBS storyline gets as involved as something like Steins Gate!!? What if he is about to kill all of the gods of all of the universes and we find out we are still right smack back in the middle of the last arc?
What if jiren is there to help stop zamasu and the other gods know it. There were some odd threats from toppo towards goku. Like there was some reason he needed to kill him. We could still be in the middle of zenoh grand preist and others trying to kill goku/stop zamasu! Goku could actually be the villian of the arc. It would make a few things make sense.
I've considered and liked the "Zamasu is secretly this character!" theories because he is a big ham when he's piloting another body, but I feel like the odds are low because I think they'd have dropped more hints by now if that were the case.
OR they would've stuck with that Gokû as the villain point instead of dropping it so soon.
The possibility is out there, Whis reversed time in RoF which allowed Goku to kill Freeza which would be a messing with causality unless Whis reversing time in itself was within causality.
I did notice the similarities between the Ultra Instinct aura and Goku Black and Future Zamasu's auras, though I did not notice the eye color similarity! In any case, I can't say I find the theory at all likely, but... I WOULD LOVE IT! However, I don't think it works with all of the build-up in the exhibition and recruitment phases, and the entire Ultra Instinct payoff with Goku's training with Whis, I just don't think you could insert Zamasu in Goku's body again with all of that having happened, but, wow, that would be an interesting twist.
I mean, okay, after Goku/Zamasu gets defeated, then what? It's still the Tournament of Power. What, would that all be a ruse, and the Zenos would decide, okay, cool, now the tourney's over? Also, I mean, why would Zeno even bother? If Zamasu can survive Zeno erasing him from Time as well as Space, what the heck is Jiren or anyone else supposed to do about him?
What if this tournament is part of how the gods were destroyed. Being in goku and winning would make it possible to skip the destruction of universe 10. It could be hashing out what happened the first time. Or it could be a slight variation and it ends differently finishing the last arc in a way we weren't expecting. We never did see the stuff goku black did to get strong enough to use SSJRose. If I'm remembering the correct things that is.
Zamasu could be laying low and pretending to be goku to get through his training of gokues body. It coudl explain gokus extra insistance on fighting bigger beings at everyones expense. Maybe some of the other Z fighters are or have partially figured this out. An extra reason for Vegeta not to give energy possibly. He did most of the fighting against Zamasu. Maybe he recognized something.
They also could have purposely overstated Zamasu being finished to play it off in a lowkey manner and this TOP is helping to finish off those events. Maybe they have to get past the year zamasu time traveled to be completely safe.
By part of that they could have acted like all of the time loops were closed when they weren't. Or they weren't completely and were seeing the rest of it in some form. Isn't the TOP technically happening in the year he time travelled and did what he did? Do we know if he used the Super dragon balls or the Regular dragon balls to make his wish?
Maybe this is some last variant of zamasus last super villain stand where he pops out of nowhere and makes his last ditch effort. There could always be an unaccounted or purposely miscounted version of him from a story standpoint. All they need to do is say someone lied of was wrong. Maybe this last year of events needs to play out to say they truly defeated him. There is still the chance he went into goku and/or zeno's body at the end of the last arc and is hiding.
BTW, it also makes more sense out of the introduction and sudden throw away nature of the universes if the focus will ultimately be on finishing the last remnant of zamasu.
Xeogran wrote:Nice try, but Zamasu wouldn't be able to use the Genki Dama. He also wouldn't be able to interact with Freeza as good as Goku can.
I'm pretty sure that by now it would be more obvious if that was supposed to be the case.
There is always the chance after the last arc he's hiding inside them and if goku pushes his power enough he'll reappear. He could be subtly influencing goku or others. He's was beyond a single entity when the last arc ended. And we don't know to what extent. We still don't know how he killed the gods either. For all we know these events are the original ones that happened. Or they still have to play out and they will finish it up in a slight variation in this arc to finish him off. The time frame in which he originally did those things are potentially a part of the zamasu arc. Especially the parts we never saw.
The theory is not unlikely. It's a direct assumption the writers leave you to ponder.
Maybe the new writers are being allowed to take it in directions common to other famous anime that are out now. it's a technical safe bet to lightly interweave those elements in. Or more than dragon ball normally does which would make a decent story development. If they do it right that could be a really good arc ending. And there are more than enough other anime doing it well for it to be an easy formula to follow and weave in the storyline. Especially since dragon ball has always done time travel to start. They would just be improving the trunks type story writing. Which goes with their other franchise stuff to boot. Nothing not in it for them not to write an extra good time travel puzzler this time.
This makes no sense at all. How would Zamasu suddenly start acting like Goku without even Gohan noticing something is wrong?
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and friends return
Battle of Gods and Resurrection “F”
Dragon Ball Super Manga + Movies
Lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball DAIMA
That way too complicated for Dragon Ball. There isn't a hidden or deeper meaning to everything about a certain story or arc in Dragon Ball.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Zeno is Zamasu, the Grand Priest is Zamasu, and Freeza is Zamasu too. In fact, everyone at the tournament is Zamasu. Due to all the timeline-splintering, though, not even Zamasu realizes everyone else there is Zamasu. We're about to watch a multiverse of Zamasus be erased.
Meanwhile, in all the other timelines, things carry on as normal.
emperior wrote:This makes no sense at all. How would Zamasu suddenly start acting like Goku without even Gohan noticing something is wrong?
Seriously. Plus Zamasu would never have survived that Genki Dama without immortality. Just being honest, he doesnt have the skill or mental fortitude.
Wasn't the version of zamasu that took over the entire universe before zeno destroyed it immortal. If he's the version in goku and or zeno he could be hiding in them. And he could have made an infinite loop or this is his last chance to get an infinite loop going. They can easily do tricky things with a time traveling story.
emperior wrote:This makes no sense at all. How would Zamasu suddenly start acting like Goku without even Gohan noticing something is wrong?
Seriously. Plus Zamasu would never have survived that Genki Dama without immortality. Just being honest, he doesnt have the skill or mental fortitude.
Wasn't the version of zamasu that took over the entire universe before zeno destroyed it immortal. If he's the version in goku and or zeno he could be hiding in them. And he could have made an infinite loop or this is his last chance to get an infinite loop going. They can easily do tricky things with a time traveling story.
I forgot the other idea. If the thing they mentioned about aggression is what evil means to the spirit bomb and not some abstract idea then zamasu could be calmly hiding in people and not be a problem. Potentially.
I'm surprised nobody else has noted in general the thing about saying calm is important to the spirit bomb. It's like they were clarifying or rewriting the meaning of evil for us in regards to the spirit bomb.
If that is true maybe they will bring it up again in the future.
Arugela wrote:What if we are still in the zamasu arc and this is really zamasu in goku's body training to gain how to use it properly. Obviously that would be an explenation of goku's actions. The next arc could then be a restart and new or greater hashed version of the last arc. Either with a twist or not. It could be an even more confusing time travel extravaganza!!
What if the DBS storyline gets as involved as something like Steins Gate!!? What if he is about to kill all of the gods of all of the universes and we find out we are still right smack back in the middle of the last arc?
What if jiren is there to help stop zamasu and the other gods know it. There were some odd threats from toppo towards goku. Like there was some reason he needed to kill him. We could still be in the middle of zenoh grand preist and others trying to kill goku/stop zamasu! Goku could actually be the villian of the arc. It would make a few things make sense.
It would be a very crazy thing to happen which is exactly why it won't. Weather it would be done right or not is anyone's guess but it's so out there that it can't possibly happen.
I do hope later down the line we'll get something super crazy that no one will see coming, including it not being announced or promoted.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
What if he is about to kill all of the gods of all of the universes and we find out we are still right smack back in the middle of the last arc?
