Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

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Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by gofishus » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:18 pm

This has always bothered me as a plot hole similar to why Ginyu never body changed with Frieza. If you body change - why always with Goku? Why not go even further beyond? Zamasu could have body changed with Grand Priest or Zeno right? Why didn't he do that?

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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:27 pm

Zamasu wasn't a perfect character. He didn't think of switching bodies with someone higher simply because he only had Gokū on his mind at the time. It isn't necessarily a plot hole - read: writing flaw - so much as a character flaw - read: something in someone's characterization that lends to better believability, i.e. that they're not perfect - intentional or not.
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Hugo Boss » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:32 pm

gofishus wrote:This has always bothered me as a plot hole similar to why Ginyu never body changed with Frieza. If you body change - why always with Goku? Why not go even further beyond? Zamasu could have body changed with Grand Priest or Zeno right? Why didn't he do that?
Perhaps he wanted to punish the mortals with a mortal body. Even when he fused, he told Vegetto he wanted to carry the sins of the mortals in his own body, so that could be his mindset in the whole story.

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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:39 pm

For multiple reasons

1. They both are on a plane FAR higher than anything ANY set of Dragon Balls could effect. If Earth based Shenlong was afraid of Beerus then I'm sure The Golden Dragon would be absolutely frightened at the thought of doing anything that would Up set people of the upper plane like those two. And they could probably negate it if they wanted somehow.

2. It would be immediate Erasure/Death. Think about what would happen if Daishinkan suddenly morphed into Zamasu.. Zeno would know something was up and vice versa.. Remember.. it took a good while before Zamasu learned how gokus body worked.. he'd be killed almost immediately.
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Chuquita » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:55 pm

Zamasu is too vain to want to live in the katamari-style body of the Omni King. Gokû's way more aesthetically pleasing to Zamasu. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think Zamasu's concept of physical beauty is pretty mainstream.
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Kanassa » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:47 pm

gofishus wrote:This has always bothered me as a plot hole similar to why Ginyu never body changed with Frieza.
Why would Ginyu body change with Frieza? Ginyu is clearly very loyal to his master.

And Zamasu? He specifically explains that he switched with oku both out of his hatred for the man and because he wanted to cleanse the plague that is mortals with a mortal's body. It is his duty as a God to take on the sins of the universe himself to expel them.

"Mortals truly are foolish. Son Goku shall remain in my body? Exactly, that's my wish! Listen Saiyan... Listen, Son Goku. You are a mortal, yet you gained a power that surpasses even gods. You are the personification of the failure of the gods who created this universe! As such, by becoming one with Son Goku, I have taken on the sins of mortals and the failure of the gods in this body! This is truly the duty of a god. "

- Episode 66
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by PsionicWarrior » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:50 pm

I think he was getting aroused by zenkais lol

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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:51 pm

Kanassa wrote:
gofishus wrote:This has always bothered me as a plot hole similar to why Ginyu never body changed with Frieza.
Why would Ginyu body change with Frieza? Ginyu is clearly very loyal to his master.

And Zamasu? He specifically explains that he switched with oku both out of his hatred for the man and because he wanted to cleanse the plague that is mortals with a mortal's body. It is his duty as a God to take on the sins of the universe himself to expel them.

"Mortals truly are foolish. Son Goku shall remain in my body? Exactly, that's my wish! Listen Saiyan... Listen, Son Goku. You are a mortal, yet you gained a power that surpasses even gods. You are the personification of the failure of the gods who created this universe! As such, by becoming one with Son Goku, I have taken on the sins of mortals and the failure of the gods in this body! This is truly the duty of a god. "

- Episode 66
That still makes him a moron since he'll have to spend the rest of forever in fear of Zeno possibly doing something to him, like killing him. He does know Zeno WILL one day call for the GoDs and notice everythings dead as shit, right?
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by PsionicWarrior » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:53 pm

Sorry but, hey, why don't villains get the perfect plan and are without any kind of flaw so the entire Z crew and universes get erased and the series end lol

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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:59 pm

A. Character's. Error. Or. Judgment. Is. Not. A. Plot. Hole. Stop. Misusing. This. Term.
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by gofishus » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:03 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:A. Character's. Error. Or. Judgment. Is. Not. A. Plot. Hole. Stop. Misusing. This. Term.
Says the guy who is misusing periods...

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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Meshack » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:01 am

Zamasu wanted Gokuh’s body. Zamasu didn’t want Zenoh involved because it would have ended poorly. Zamasu was interested in Gokuh’s power in that he was able to surpass the Hakaishin and Shin needed his help to defeat Boo or he beat him in a sparring match. Watching Gokuh during the 6th Universe Arc set Zamasu off to get the Dragon Balls and want to seitch bodies with him.
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Meshack » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:04 am

ekrolo2 wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
gofishus wrote:This has always bothered me as a plot hole similar to why Ginyu never body changed with Frieza.
Why would Ginyu body change with Frieza? Ginyu is clearly very loyal to his master.

And Zamasu? He specifically explains that he switched with oku both out of his hatred for the man and because he wanted to cleanse the plague that is mortals with a mortal's body. It is his duty as a God to take on the sins of the universe himself to expel them.

"Mortals truly are foolish. Son Goku shall remain in my body? Exactly, that's my wish! Listen Saiyan... Listen, Son Goku. You are a mortal, yet you gained a power that surpasses even gods. You are the personification of the failure of the gods who created this universe! As such, by becoming one with Son Goku, I have taken on the sins of mortals and the failure of the gods in this body! This is truly the duty of a god. "

- Episode 66
That still makes him a moron since he'll have to spend the rest of forever in fear of Zeno possibly doing something to him, like killing him. He does know Zeno WILL one day call for the GoDs and notice everythings dead as shit, right?
What if Zenoh never did? In the manga, Black and Zamasu were trying to keep things under wraps so Zenoh wouldn’t be involved. Who knows if he was going to have Daishinkan summon them?

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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Yomi » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:05 am

gofishus wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:A. Character's. Error. Or. Judgment. Is. Not. A. Plot. Hole. Stop. Misusing. This. Term.
Says the guy who is misusing periods...
We all know the effect he's going for, he's emphasizing each word.
There's only so much you can do with text to imitate colloquialisms.
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by sintzu » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:25 am

Ginyu seemes to have respect for Freeza unlike the others who were most likely just afraid of him.

Zamasu either didn't know about them or didn't think it would work.
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Re: Why didn't Zamasu ask Super Dragon Balls to body exchange with GP/Zeno?

Post by Meshack » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:26 am

sintzu wrote:Ginyu seemes to have respect for Freeza unlike the others who were most likely just afraid of him.

Zamasu either didn't know about them or didn't think it would work.
Zamasu was fully aware of Zenoh. Gowasu wanted Black to apologize to Zenoh but before that, Zamasu said things would have gotten worse if Zenoh was informed. He chose Gokuh’s body because of his power

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