Right off the bat, the Manga is treating Tien better (and Goten and Trunks...kinda)

[Olympian]

You said you wanted him to be mentioned at least once but why?

Because I feel he should have the consideration.

If you want Yamcha to be mentioned, why not Chaoz, why not Yajirove, why not Arale?

I certainly want Chiatzu to be mention as well and flat out hate how Tenshinhan daddysits him out of things. Arale is a crossover character but sure, why not. She`s been a constant wish of mine for inclusion in FigtherZ. I`m not against Yajirobe being mentioned one bit but he flat out never learned Ki control or seemingly cares to and never hangs out with the rest of the gang so his exclusion doesn`t pop out as much.

If it was too dangerous for Yamcha to fight against Freeza and his army then he shouldn’t be considered at all for the Tournament of Power

And that`s why I`m asking if there was a Manga translation because that line was taken out in Super.

The counter argument should be simple. If Jaco was there and Roshi suddently can out of off panel training, what is stopping a guy who already had left him in the dust by the Saiyan arc? To bring "Goku and Friends" again, the movie`s basically about how Freeza`s strenght from his arc wasn`t as scary for the main cast any longer. Recall how Roshi, Yamcha and Kuririn all wanted to fight Abo and Cado and tried the lottary?

But suddently now fodders are "too dangerous"?

Kulilin recently gained his confidence to compete. Kulilin fought against Freeza and his army because they needed his help and in the Tournament of Power because they needed his help

He recently gained his confidence back to compete because they bothered to make it a plot point, same with Roshi and his perviness. Kuririn will also always have the easier way out, he`s the main character`s best friend.

"Kuririn fought Freeza and his army"? Eh, no, they went to Namek to gather Dragon Balls to revive their friends and caugh themselves up between Vegeta and Freeza`s tug of war for the same prize. What they all did was to survive. If the others were there nothing indicates they wouldn`t help the best they could like everybody else.

Yamcha hasn’t been doing anything

I think he`s been doing a bit more in his retirement years than reading porn magazines.

[Meshack]

Hoping he gets at least a mention as well since the recruitment just began.

Really nice that Goku is the one mentioning Tenshinhan. That is so bloody obvious I had no idea what Toei was thinking. Goku on the other hand not mentioning Gohan is weird but at least explains that as far as they are aware he isn`t active, like Yamcha I guess.

Was ROF translated to the current Manga as well? Because some figthers not being brought up by Goku for not being active and Roshi`s face showing up in the direct calls is still suspect.

Why? Yamcha is not a warrior anymore. He quick since the Cell Arc. He didn’t fight Majin-Boo, he didn’t try to fight Beerus, Tenshinhan didn’t want him involved in their battle against Freeza, he wasn’t considered for the tournament against the 6th Universe, he wasn’t around for Gokuh-Black, so why on earth would he be considered for the Tournament of Power?

None of the humans were considered for the U6 tournament too.

Why on Earth is Roshi considered too then? He wasnt invited to train for the sayains, and Goku didn't bother asking Roshi to train for the androids, but he did invite Yamcha to train with him.

Hell, Krillin also retired yet was chosen.

why not Chaoz, why not Yajirove, why not Arale? If it was too dangerous for Yamcha to fight against Freeza and his army then he shouldn’t be considered at all for the Tournament of Power. Kulilin recently gained his confidence to compete. Kulilin fought against Freeza and his army because they needed his help and in the Tournament of Power because they needed his help. Yamcha hasn’t been doing anything

Fyi, The anime dropped the line about it being too dangerous for Yamcha. Tien only mentions Chiaotzu. And the manga doesnt even cover RoF either so really no poont in brining it up.

Why not Chioatzu or Yajirobe? Yamcha was a Z fighter longer than both of them. Hell, maybe Yajirobe should get a mention. You want consistency, Goku asked Yamcha to train with him for the androids, he so suggesting him for the ToP wouldn't be too far fetched, no?

Gokuh knows Yamcha is far behind. Gokuh is not gonna ask Yamcha to train with him during this period. Humans were considered for the tournament so I don’t know what you’re talking about. Kulilin, Tenshinhan, and Kame-Sennin are not as strong a Gokuh, Vegeta, Boo, Gohan, and Piccolo. They also had Monaka who was said to be stronger than Gokuh but we know it was a lie so no one else could have participated. Kame-Sennin was out of the fight after Piccolo. There was nothing he could do. Now, it’s said he’s been secretly training. Yamcha does not need to be mentioned

[The_Destroyer]

Why? Yamcha is not a warrior anymore. He quick since the Cell Arc. He didn’t fight Majin-Boo, he didn’t try to fight Beerus, Tenshinhan didn’t want him involved in their battle against Freeza, he wasn’t considered for the tournament against the 6th Universe, he wasn’t around for Gokuh-Black, so why on earth would he be considered for the Tournament of Power?

None of the humans were considered for the U6 tournament too.

Why on Earth is Roshi considered too then? He wasnt invited to train for the sayains, and Goku didn't bother asking Roshi to train for the androids, but he did invite Yamcha to train with him.

Hell, Krillin also retired yet was chosen.

why not Chaoz, why not Yajirove, why not Arale? If it was too dangerous for Yamcha to fight against Freeza and his army then he shouldn’t be considered at all for the Tournament of Power. Kulilin recently gained his confidence to compete. Kulilin fought against Freeza and his army because they needed his help and in the Tournament of Power because they needed his help. Yamcha hasn’t been doing anything

Fyi, The anime dropped the line about it being too dangerous for Yamcha. Tien only mentions Chiaotzu. And the manga doesnt even cover RoF either so really no poont in brining it up.

Why not Chioatzu or Yajirobe? Yamcha was a Z fighter longer than both of them. Hell, maybe Yajirobe should get a mention. You want consistency, Goku asked Yamcha to train with him for the androids, he so suggesting him for the ToP wouldn't be too far fetched, no?

Gokuh knows Yamcha is far behind. Gokuh is not gonna ask Yamcha to train with him during this period. Humans were considered for the tournament so I don’t know what you’re talking about. Kulilin, Tenshinhan, and Kame-Sennin are not as strong a Gokuh, Vegeta, Boo, Gohan, and Piccolo. They also had Monaka who was said to be stronger than Gokuh but we know it was a lie so no one else could have participated. Kame-Sennin was out of the fight after Piccolo. There was nothing he could do. Now, it’s said he’s been secretly training. Yamcha does not need to be mentioned

How do we know Yamcha is far behind, exactly? The anime makes it seem like he still practices martial arts. And Olympian pointed out that Yo! Son Goku and his Friends Return had Yamcha offer to fight Abo and Cado. Someone who's retired wouldn't have done this.

Humans were considered for the tournament so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Please tell me when Roshi and Tenshimhan were suggested for the Uni 6 tournament.

Kame-Sennin was out of the fight after Piccolo. There was nothing he could do. Now, it’s said he’s been secretly training. Yamcha does not need to be mentioned[

The secret training is dumb but that's beside the point. Right now they're a member short since Goku shot down Gohan, so who else is there besides Yamcha?


To be honest, I can get everyone except Roshi because chosen over Yamcha initially, but he should've been brought up when Buu falls asleep and they're desperate for a member. Wonder how the manga will handle it.

[Olympian]

a) Yamcha and the others were already "far behind" after Goku reached Super Saiyan and yet he invited both Kuririn and Yamcha to train with himself and Piccolo.

b) Any gain Roshi managed to close the gap with, when he was already a thousand of times weaker on average than nearly anybody else in the Saiyan arc (Chiatzu was likely around/closer to 900 at the time while the others surpassed it) can be (on any theory) easily outpaced by any of the others. Only exclusion would be if the training was mystical but nothing has been mentioned and it won`t be.

c) No is arguing Yamcha should get a mention on a rule over anyone (all the main cast should and then you show why some aren`t going to - simple as it gets) It`s nice if he did because not only was he a Z Figther all the way up to the Cell Games and still helping the gang when Buu comes in (or as as Toei did, still figthing in the Otherworld) but because he actually (like Kuririn and Tenshinhan) bounces back and forth about being retired. Especifically in Super, sinve that`s the show we are talking about, because they made the point that Yamcha does not consider himself retired or several times weaker than he used to be.

And that`s basically the thing, he bounces around and we have no clear status. Is he retired? Bulma acts like he is but then you have scenes like at the party where he`s shown box training with Piccolo. Android 18 sights at him not being a figther no more but he tells Beerus he is (and he actually budges the guy when nobody else did in that arc..) So which is it?

I guess the big question is how would Goku exactly know how far behind Yamcha is on a team call where Roshi is named which happens before he and Goku clash and finds out about the improvements the old sensei made. Reputation? Totally buy into, but the guy who fought with them bigger threats and got at least as strong as Goku did when he arrived in Namek (which was his power reading in the beginning of the Androids Saga..) doesn`t get even a single mention due to his history with them? Yakai.

[Lionel]

I remain incredulous about any potential inclusion of the earthlings, regardless of what initial impressions might suggest; this series is still ultimately about Goku and to a lesser extent, Vegeta. With that said, I still can't wrap my head around the idea of miraculously pushing Roshi up to these impossibly new heights when he had all but allowed himself to be overtaken back in the 22nd tournament, feeling that a new generation was emerging that would surpass him. If the anime and manga were trying to keep in the spirit of that ideal then Yamcha should have been included, possibly with Chaozu in tow, but I'm not sure how you would be able to find a place for him without excluding one of the others.

[Olympian]

Despite the impression of being the Goku show, Toryama always used a large cast surrounding him. If you pick a strongest 10 out of that universe you kind of have to include someone of the Earthlings because the so called weakest of them reached a plateu of the likes of the Ginyu Force at the very least and any of them have more training and experience than the kids.

Even if you counted Goten and Trunks and Buu it would still miss spots.

Goku
Vegeta
Buu
Piccolo
Trunks
Goten
Gohan
17
18




There`s still one missing. You can say Freeza, but he was dead and a last resort after Buu fell asslep. So whether you keep Buu or not will move spots again. Trunks and Goten are out for a very especific reason that makes sense: they`re too inexperienced and tend to not take things serious. That`s less two spots. Even if you bring Future Trunks, that`s still one less, and so on.