Battles between two Ultra Instinct users

[emperior]

I hope the limits of Ultra Instinct will be addressed.
I mean, it would be better if it isn't just auto-pilot, so that fighters will still need some degree of skill to win.

Did you watch the fight with Kefla? It isn't just auto pilot, Goku almost screwed up by thinking too much and Whis points out he can't use Ultra Instinct offensively very well, only defensively for now.

I think they mean after Goku masters the form.

I'm definitely talking about the mastered UI. I fear it will be too much auto-pilot. This means there would be 0 skill involved, which is something I wouldn't want to see.

[Jigurashi]

Did you watch the fight with Kefla? It isn't just auto pilot, Goku almost screwed up by thinking too much and Whis points out he can't use Ultra Instinct offensively very well, only defensively for now.

I think they mean after Goku masters the form.

I'm definitely talking about the mastered UI. I fear it will be too much auto-pilot. This means there would be 0 skill involved, which is something I wouldn't want to see.

Isn't mastering it and going autopilot skill in itself?

[Polyphase Avatron]

We know that Whis is no match for Daishinkan and they both know the technique.

[Arg]

I think they mean after Goku masters the form.

I'm definitely talking about the mastered UI. I fear it will be too much auto-pilot. This means there would be 0 skill involved, which is something I wouldn't want to see.

Isn't mastering it and going autopilot skill in itself?

Indeed it is, and the one who put more into honing his skills beforehand will have more of them to use once in auto-pilot mode.

[majinwarman]

Ultra Instinct needs to go away after this arc as it would ruin the series.

How did ruin it? It moved the series into territory that has so much benefit than just new transformations and who can hit harder.

[namekiansaiyan]

Ultra Instinct needs to go away after this arc as it would ruin the series.

How did ruin it? It moved the series into territory that has so much benefit than just new transformations and who can hit harder.

It means Goku can't be hit if he masters it or be in any real danger. That means anyone he faces will most likely have to have Ultra Instinct as well for them to compete.

[majinwarman]

Ultra Instinct needs to go away after this arc as it would ruin the series.

How did ruin it? It moved the series into territory that has so much benefit than just new transformations and who can hit harder.

It means Goku can't be hit if he masters it or be in any real danger. That means anyone he faces will most likely have to have Ultra Instinct as well for them to compete.

That shows that Goku is at a point where we need those foes. We can't just have Goku being the same. Plus, it helps open the doors new possibilities that could make the story better.

[namekiansaiyan]

How did ruin it? It moved the series into territory that has so much benefit than just new transformations and who can hit harder.

It means Goku can't be hit if he masters it or be in any real danger. That means anyone he faces will most likely have to have Ultra Instinct as well for them to compete.

That shows that Goku is at a point where we need those foes. We can't just have Goku being the same. Plus, it helps open the doors new possibilities that could make the story better.

What possibilities could it open?

Ultra Instinct needs to make something like the heat thing a permanent weakness so the form has a time limit.

[Totamo]

It means Goku can't be hit if he masters it or be in any real danger. That means anyone he faces will most likely have to have Ultra Instinct as well for them to compete.

That shows that Goku is at a point where we need those foes. We can't just have Goku being the same. Plus, it helps open the doors new possibilities that could make the story better.

What possibilities could it open?

Ultra Instinct needs to make something like the heat thing a permanent weakness so the form has a time limit.

The biggest possibility is that we don't need to get bigger anymore, if Goku only fights people with that ability, the dynamic of the fight has to change.


The biggest reason why i think you don't want it is because none of the z fighters will stand a chance against such opponents.

[namekiansaiyan]

That shows that Goku is at a point where we need those foes. We can't just have Goku being the same. Plus, it helps open the doors new possibilities that could make the story better.

What possibilities could it open?

Ultra Instinct needs to make something like the heat thing a permanent weakness so the form has a time limit.

The biggest possibility is that we don't need to get bigger anymore, if Goku only fights people with that ability, the dynamic of the fight has to change.


The biggest reason why i think you don't want it is because none of the z fighters will stand a chance against such opponents.

If Goku only fights people with Ultra Instinct then the form itself becomes pointless as it does not provide any benefit to either fighter and fights will then be the same with or without the form.

[Ki Breaker]

We know that Whis is no match for Daishinkan and they both know the technique.

It could be a stamina thing...
Or the whis stepping on poop was done on purpose to show he dosen't actually have it fully mastered or simply can't be in ultra instinct state of mind 24/7 opposed to grand priest, which takes it back to it being a bigger stamina win thing..

UI is pretty broken, even for db

[Polyphase Avatron]

We know that Whis is no match for Daishinkan and they both know the technique.

It could be a stamina thing...
Or the whis stepping on poop was done on purpose to show he dosen't actually have it fully mastered or simply can't be in ultra instinct state of mind 24/7 opposed to grand priest, which takes it back to it being a bigger stamina win thing..

UI is pretty broken, even for db

I'd figure Daishinkan is simply stronger and faster.

[Ki Breaker]

We know that Whis is no match for Daishinkan and they both know the technique.

It could be a stamina thing...
Or the whis stepping on poop was done on purpose to show he dosen't actually have it fully mastered or simply can't be in ultra instinct state of mind 24/7 opposed to grand priest, which takes it back to it being a bigger stamina win thing..

UI is pretty broken, even for db

I'd figure Daishinkan is simply stronger and faster.

If we go the traditional Dragonball route then yes, that's what it will end up like, but that results in UI ending up as nothing when pitted against other UI users, resulting in the goku can't match higher Gods and non god ki users can't ever hope to catch up.. again.. It's the god ki deal all over again but this time with UI instead..
We are back at square one with this.. I would rather not have that..

[majinwarman]

What possibilities could it open?

Ultra Instinct needs to make something like the heat thing a permanent weakness so the form has a time limit.

The biggest possibility is that we don't need to get bigger anymore, if Goku only fights people with that ability, the dynamic of the fight has to change.


The biggest reason why i think you don't want it is because none of the z fighters will stand a chance against such opponents.

If Goku only fights people with Ultra Instinct then the form itself becomes pointless as it does not provide any benefit to either fighter and fights will then be the same with or without the form.

But, it allows to understand it better. Plus, the Z fighters still have a chance to attain it if they train with Whis or now Goku.