Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I was infuriated when I heard about the title of the movie. The original Broly is one of the worst characters in the franchise if not the worst character in the franchise. But this isn't just Broly, this is Toriyama's Broly. And Toriyama has only let me down with Minus, so I trust that he'll make Broly into at least a decent character.


This is important to note.

Broly isn't that bad, honestly, outside of the stupid crying baby thing. I can honestly named much worst than Broly and I only find him annoying because of his fandom.

Most of the Broly hate in the Western fandom boils down to snobbery and pseudo-intellectualism. The type of fans who worship Team4Star, put Pre-Raditz DB on a sacred pedestal and are in deep denial of the fact that DB is largely a chady fight series lol. They're also the type of fans who spread the lie about Broly not being popular in Japan (when in reality he's arguably the 2nd most popular DB villain over there after Freeza).

This was annoying to deal with, Bio Broly his 3rd film came out in 1994 in Japan. DBZ didn't start airing until the late 90's in the West... And FUNi didn't even dub the movies until into the 2000's... So that should've told people about Broly's popularity in Japan. Yet some people never bothered to research that, that's part of the problem with some fans they look at things in isolation and don't bother to research things, it's why still today I have quash this ridiculous misconception that some people have about modern DB & merchandise, they see DB makes money and think that tells the entire story & unsurprisingly it's people that have never been in the merch thread.

[majinwarman]

Broly isn't that bad, honestly, outside of the stupid crying baby thing. I can honestly named much worst than Broly and I only find him annoying because of his fandom.

Most of the Broly hate in the Western fandom boils down to snobbery and pseudo-intellectualism. The type of fans who worship Team4Star, put Pre-Raditz DB on a sacred pedestal and are in deep denial of the fact that DB is largely a chady fight series lol. They're also the type of fans who spread the lie about Broly not being popular in Japan (when in reality he's arguably the 2nd most popular DB villain over there after Freeza).

This was annoying to deal with, Bio Broly his 3rd film came out in 1994 in Japan. DBZ didn't start airing until the late 90's in the West... And FUNi didn't even dub the movies until into the 2000's... So that should've told people about Broly's popularity in Japan. Yet some people never bothered to research that, that's part of the problem with some fans they look at things in isolation and don't bother to research things, it's why still today I have quash this ridiculous misconception that some people have about modern DB & merchandise, they see DB makes money and think that tells the entire story & unsurprisingly it's people that have never been in the merch thread.

I wish someone would bring that up more on social media.

[BlueBasilisk]

This was annoying to deal with, Bio Broly his 3rd film came out in 1994 in Japan. DBZ didn't start airing until the late 90's in the West... And FUNi didn't even dub the movies until into the 2000's... So that should've told people about Broly's popularity in Japan. Yet some people never bothered to research that, that's part of the problem with some fans they look at things in isolation and don't bother to research things, it's why still today I have quash this ridiculous misconception that some people have about modern DB & merchandise, they see DB makes money and think that tells the entire story & unsurprisingly it's people that have never been in the merch thread.

And I'm pretty sure The Real 4D with Broly God wasn't targeted at western audiences.

[Mattias_]

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Spoiler:

- Broli is almost killed by Son Goku on MUI form near the remaining last minutes.
- The last word spoken in the entire film is "Furiza".
- U6 and U11 characters (Vados, Champa, Caulifla, Kale, Jiren) and many others important characters from the TOP do not appear in the entire film and even, they are not mentioned anytime. Also, it runs for Daishinkhan. Only Zeno is mentioned two times and the two times by Son Goku and Bulma as well. No Zarama info, no 17, no Tenshinhan, no Yamcha. No info about the "18 universes". Nothing.
- Bulma has now became the Major Chief (?) on Capsule Corporation.
- Officially stated that Trunks and Son Goten combined is as powerful as Son Gohan (??) or something like that.
- Cheelay is killed by Vegeta only with a hit from his finger (?!??!)
- Whis plans to kill Freeza after he requested to train him. But the Angels can't do that. He stated that Son Goku and Vegeta are special souls.
- In Capsule Corporation, they talk about some fish race that were exterminated by the Saiyans in the past. This "fishes" know something about the Legendary Super Saiyan. (Maybe a correlation between the Kanassa warrior and Bardock??!?)
- Hercule is now a serious marcial artist. Videl, Son Gohan and Pan went to travel to a giant castle in the sky.
- Kuririn, Kame'Sen'Nin and 18 were talking about the UI at the same time as Freeza (ex-team member) took the Earth.
- Lemo is one of the best characters in the movie and one of the best characters in Dragon Ball since... well, many time ago. He has served Korudo Daio in the past.
- Korudo Daio, The Ginyu Force, Dodoria, Zarbon, Raditz and Nappa appears in the film. But none of them said one single word.
- Excluding Jiren and Daishinkhan (as well the angels and some GoD's), Broli is the most powerful characters ever.
- Vegetto appears in the film.
- The Minus throwaback last around seven minutes.
- The very first important battle shown is Son Goku versus Broli.
- That cold planet is the homeland from Freeza, the most cold planet in Universe 7. Broli went there to finish his revenge.
- The Namekian Book is explained by Whis in less than 30 seconds.
- The "Power Level" is explained by Whis at Capsule Corp.
- Yamushi is mentioned by Beerus.
- Jaco The Patrolman is mentioned by Kikono.
- Bardock is mentioned by Paragus.
- Zeno is mentioned by Son Goku and Bulma.
- "Another son of Korudo Daio" (COOLER) is mentioned by Paragus.
- Son Goku and Broli they have full blood from Yamushi.
- Paragus is killed by Broli.
- Vegeta gets a major power up.
- Piccolo gets a major power up.
- Trunks get a major power up and another after a zenkai.
- Golden Freeza refuses to join Son Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Gotenks to the battle. He goes very far away (another universe???) and not appear in the film anymore.... fine.
- Beerus joins Vegetto near the end of the battle. Broli recover his power after that but the clash is too powerful even for that universe. The power is so strong that even the Universe 7 is shaking and Viyu Planet is melting.
- The end is very open: for sure, there will be another movie or something like that. With another universe, maybe. (IMO)
- Broli realizes his mind again and he knows how to travel in time and space.
- Vegeta said something about the UI.
- Son Goku can't win over Broli even with MUI.

[HeroR]

I was infuriated when I heard about the title of the movie. The original Broly is one of the worst characters in the franchise if not the worst character in the franchise. But this isn't just Broly, this is Toriyama's Broly. And Toriyama has only let me down with Minus, so I trust that he'll make Broly into at least a decent character.


This is important to note.

Broly isn't that bad, honestly, outside of the stupid crying baby thing. I can honestly named much worst than Broly and I only find him annoying because of his fandom.

Most of the Broly hate in the Western fandom boils down to snobbery and pseudo-intellectualism. The type of fans who worship Team4Star, put Pre-Raditz DB on a sacred pedestal and are in deep denial of the fact that DB is largely a chady fight series lol. They're also the type of fans who spread the lie about Broly not being popular in Japan (when in reality he's arguably the 2nd most popular DB villain over there after Freeza).

To be fair, I put all of Dragon Ball above Z, especially the lastest parts. Turned me into a casual fan to loving the series after watching the original series.

[BlueBasilisk]

I saw this a little bit ago: https://twitter.com/GovetaXV/status/1055687300749811712 I'm assuming that's the main stage presentation that was mentioned previously?

[PFM18]

Broly isn't that bad, honestly, outside of the stupid crying baby thing. I can honestly named much worst than Broly and I only find him annoying because of his fandom.

Most of the Broly hate in the Western fandom boils down to snobbery and pseudo-intellectualism. The type of fans who worship Team4Star, put Pre-Raditz DB on a sacred pedestal and are in deep denial of the fact that DB is largely a chady fight series lol. They're also the type of fans who spread the lie about Broly not being popular in Japan (when in reality he's arguably the 2nd most popular DB villain over there after Freeza).

To be fair, I put all of Dragon Ball above Z, especially the lastest parts. Turned me into a casual fan to loving the series after watching the original series.

You rank GT over Z? If so, I'm forced to question your sanity lol

[JazzMazz]

I think a fair few people here are sort of under-estimating the importance and effect good direction can have on a film...

Also, based on Takashi Otsuka's comment, I think he may be hinting at them placing Nagamine as the head of any major future DB projects, which, honestly, isn't that surprising, nor would it be unwelcome. Nagamine was definitely the most influential series director on Super, so him directing a new series, or even a set of movies, would be nice, especially if his given the liberty to freely exert some real creative control over the project, as opposed to his more haphazard implementation of things in Super.

[goku the krump dancer]

Am I the only one expecting a Gogeta Re-design? Granted I wont mind if he looked like his movie 12 incarnation, but if we're being consistent here, everyone who's being reintroduced in this movie got make-overs, so Gogeta should be getting one too, right?

Yes. I expected a new design for Vegetto in the Future Trunks arc and we got the same old one, probably will be the same Gogeta as well..

Well In the case of Vegetto he was a last minute plug in.. So knowing that i'm not surprised he didnt get much love added to him but with this Gogeta if he indeed does appear, I feel like there's a strong chance that Toriyama might have redesigned a bit more in his own image. Honestly I'd be surprised if he used the name Gogeta at all, Toriyama might not be the most consistent when comes to the level of love he has for his million dollar franchise, but he does have Pride as its creator, he isnt known for completely adopting ideas that arent his own.

Vegetto only exist as he is because Toei got to the Goku/Vegeta fusion before Toriyama did. Chances are, if he does use the fusion dance in this movie, Gogeta will probably look a little different and he might actually go by Vegetto! That seems crazy and unneeded but remember, this is Toriyama guys, he's not browsing Forums and Youtube trying to figure out what his fans want to see. That's a good thing honestly.

[miguelnuva1]

Am I the only one expecting a Gogeta Re-design? Granted I wont mind if he looked like his movie 12 incarnation, but if we're being consistent here, everyone who's being reintroduced in this movie got make-overs, so Gogeta should be getting one too, right?

Yes. I expected a new design for Vegetto in the Future Trunks arc and we got the same old one, probably will be the same Gogeta as well..

Well In the case of Vegetto he was a last minute plug in.. So knowing that i'm not surprised he didnt get much love added to him but with this Gogeta if he indeed does appear, I feel like there's a strong chance that Toriyama might have redesigned a bit more in his own image. Honestly I'd be surprised if he used the name Gogeta at all, Toriyama might not be the most consistent when comes to the level of love he has for his million dollar franchise, but he does have Pride as its creator, he isnt known for completely adopting ideas that arent his own.

Vegetto only exist as he is because Toei got to the Goku/Vegeta fusion before Toriyama did. Chances are, if he does use the fusion dance in this movie, Gogeta will probably look a little different and he might actually go by Vegetto! That seems crazy and unneeded but remember, this is Toriyama guys, he's not browsing Forums and Youtube trying to figure out what his fans want to see. That's a good thing honestly.

Toei is not going to let Toriyama rename their character.

[HeroR]

Most of the Broly hate in the Western fandom boils down to snobbery and pseudo-intellectualism. The type of fans who worship Team4Star, put Pre-Raditz DB on a sacred pedestal and are in deep denial of the fact that DB is largely a chady fight series lol. They're also the type of fans who spread the lie about Broly not being popular in Japan (when in reality he's arguably the 2nd most popular DB villain over there after Freeza).

To be fair, I put all of Dragon Ball above Z, especially the lastest parts. Turned me into a casual fan to loving the series after watching the original series.

You rank GT over Z? If so, I'm forced to question your sanity lol

When did I mentioned GT? I mean the original Dragon Ball or the first half of the manga before Raditz.

[supersaiyandoctor]

I posted this in the FUNimation section but no one responded.

I noticed Sabat voices King Cold in the Broly Trailer 2. Who do you think they will cast for the actual dubbing of the film? Brad Jackson (Z's King Cold) or Jason Douglas (Kai's King Cold). I could see them going back to Brad Jackson only because Beerus is in this movie and Jason Douglas' King Cold sounds very close to his Beerus.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I saw this a little bit ago: https://twitter.com/GovetaXV/status/1055687300749811712 I'm assuming that's the main stage presentation that was mentioned previously?

30 mins just to say DBS is back? Lol. I am guessing the panel will have a lot of time wasting and any announcement will probably happen at the end. Probably not worth me staying up I think.

[BlueBasilisk]

I saw this a little bit ago: https://twitter.com/GovetaXV/status/1055687300749811712 I'm assuming that's the main stage presentation that was mentioned previously?

30 mins just to say DBS is back? Lol. I am guessing the panel will have a lot of time wasting and any announcement will probably happen at the end. Probably not worth me staying up I think.

I imagine they'll take time to talk about the movie too. Hopefully there's more than that. Not much point having Super on the main stage just to fart around and fill time for 20 minutes. They could just squeeze that into the DBH presentation like last year.

[Michsi]

He won't be there just for that as they might as well bring everyone along.

Among everyone non-Goku/Vegeta, he's the one most suited for the job. Not saying this is 100% his role in the movie, just that it's a possibility. This is a saiyan-centric story after all, and one with a shorter run-time than expected. The promotional material shouldn't be seen as an indicator, we get tricked like this all the time.

[zarmack]

I'm still pissed that we're not getting a 3 hour (despite Toriyama writing a 3 hour script), largely because it means the film's story won't be as in depth as the producers said it would, and that it means that this film's story will most likely get retold in TV form when the anime comes back (instead of skipping ahead to a new arc).

[Krillin1994]

Don’t know if it had been previously fully confirmed, but Vic confirmed he is voicing Broly for the film at a London comicon panel today.

I just thought I’d note as I recall some confusion over the roar from the 1st trailer

[ZeroNeonix]

I'm still pissed that we're not getting a 3 hour (despite Toriyama writing a 3 hour script), largely because it means the film's story won't be as in depth as the producers said it would, and that it means that this film's story will most likely get retold in TV form when the anime comes back (instead of skipping ahead to a new arc).

Longer isn't always better. I'd rather have a well-paced two-hour movie than a drawn out three hour one. The longer retellings of the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies were not better than the original movies, and the extra stuff they put in (like Ginyu returning, despite the Earth being destroyed in the Buu arc and having evil people excluded from being wished back) just padded out the run time without doing anything interesting.

[AnimeNation101]

I'm still pissed that we're not getting a 3 hour (despite Toriyama writing a 3 hour script), largely because it means the film's story won't be as in depth as the producers said it would, and that it means that this film's story will most likely get retold in TV form when the anime comes back (instead of skipping ahead to a new arc).

Longer isn't always better. I'd rather have a well-paced two-hour movie than a drawn out three hour one. The longer retellings of the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies were not better than the original movies, and the extra stuff they put in (like Ginyu returning, despite the Earth being destroyed in the Buu arc and having evil people excluded from being wished back) just padded out the run time without doing anything interesting.

I for one welcome a tv retelling now. Not only will it give Toriyama and the writers time to get their shit together and properly flesh out or properly plan the next arc, but at was said, we have about a whole mother movie’s worth of content we missed out on in both script and storyboard which saves storyboarders some time too. And with a somewhat based lore movie like this, we could get more Planet Vegeta saiyan history. Hell, they could even do what they did with Boruto and reuse some of the better animated parts of the movie to save Toei’s top dog animators for the next arc’s bigger moments. I could see it being about 13 episodes.

3 hours is about 7.5 episodes. Stretch to 13 by expanding upon stuff and we have a good retelling

[JulieYBM]

The cut material was probably really slow in terns of content, so I doubt anything major is missing. We'll get it back for the TV series, anyway.

I just don't want the arc to be longer than nine episodes. A full cour is too long.