The anime with all its staff had trouble finding ways to use all the characters so it's unrealistic to expect one person to do what they did or even better.pacz360 wrote:Pretty much the god's battle Royal in the manga practically shows that not many people are gonna get enough time to shine in this arc
Would it be better, if in the manga, Toyo knocks out all of the fodder including from U7 in one chapter.
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I am expecting a lot of elimination done in 1 or 3 panels,especially for universes like 10 or 9,as long is not someone from 7 or 6 hogging all the point i won't be complaining.The god rumble almost everyone got their time to shine through iwne,arack and geene did nothing impressive,that's 9 out of 12 god that had their moment to shine,that is pretty good.pacz360 wrote: Pretty much the god's battle Royal in the manga practically shows that not many people are gonna get enough time to shine in this arc
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Maybe but still 80 characters battle Royal especially in manga format is gonna be difficultThe gr wrote:I am expecting a lot of elimination done in 1 or 3 panels,especially for universes like 10 or 9,as long is not someone from 7 or 6 hogging all the point i won't be complaining.The god rumble almost everyone got their time to shine through iwne,arack and geene did nothing impressive,that's 9 out of 12 god that had their moment to shine,that is pretty good.pacz360 wrote: Pretty much the god's battle Royal in the manga practically shows that not many people are gonna get enough time to shine in this arc
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This or make the fodder fight the lower tiers of U7,don't give everyone to Goku and Vegeta.OLKv3 wrote:no. just make universes fight each other instead of just U7 and U6Totamo wrote:So one of the biggest complaints a lot of people have with the arc is that U7 are too strong and the other universes have too many weak fighters. Would you be ok if in one chapter, Toyo knocks out all of the fodder including from U7 in one chapter, and by fodder I mean all of the non main warriors.
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That would be fucking terrible. And the worst way of handling a concept like the Tournament of Power (Battle Royal) as it negates the idea of competition. But unfortunately, I can imagine something like this happening.
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I think he will focus on some fights, show other fights going on the background and then zoom in on those secondary fights when the KO happens.
That way he doesn't have to draw hundreds of long consecutive fights and chapters but you still feel like chaos is going on. I think that approach would work.
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That way he doesn't have to draw hundreds of long consecutive fights and chapters but you still feel like chaos is going on. I think that approach would work.
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I would like to see Toyotarō use his method from the Revival of F manga. We started with the Turtle Hermit's battle and, as we saw his staff disintegrate in his hand, we cut to Piccolo battling in the same panel and shifted the focus to him. As Piccolo dealt with his opponents, we saw Gohan-kun fly by in the same panel and the focus shifted to him. This implies that, even off-screen, each character is constantly fighting and we get to see the most impressive moments of their battles as the focus shifts from character to character. I think this would be a very effective way to maximize action and character usage during the tournament.
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Bingo. We need an actual battle royal with other participants fighting each other.OLKv3 wrote:no. just make universes fight each other instead of just U7 and U6Totamo wrote:So one of the biggest complaints a lot of people have with the arc is that U7 are too strong and the other universes have too many weak fighters. Would you be ok if in one chapter, Toyo knocks out all of the fodder including from U7 in one chapter, and by fodder I mean all of the non main warriors.
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Goku took out fodder like the Ginyu Force just fine without losing stamina or killing anyone. There's literally no good reason Goku, Vegeta, Jiren, Toppo, Hit and Freeza don't rofl stomp everyone else within the first minute of the tournament.TheUltimateNinja wrote:It actually seems that it would be harder for them to NOT knock all the fodders out through power alone. Goku specifically has to restrain his and Beerus' ki to stop the shockwaves from taking out the universe, so if Goku and Jiren allowed their ki to flow uncontrolled everyone else should get blown away instantly.Doctor. wrote:Knocking out fodder when you're that powerful is the equivalent of you raising your finger. It doesn't waste their stamina, we've seen characters effortlessly push back opponents just by raising their aura a bit.Zamasu55 wrote:Unless they save their stamina for later.
The only way the ToP makes sense is if the strong characters fought each-other from the start. It would be interesting if Toyotaro has Goku vs Jiren right away, but I'm sure he'll just save it for the end.
Either do this, or make the strong people fight one another while the fodder take each other on, cause the anime insistently inserting Goku into almost every battle it can and NOT have him effortlessly annihilate anyone outside the top tier because reasons is ridiculous.
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I certainly wouldn't enjoy Toyo fodderizing most of the u7 crew in a manner that screamed, "let's get the trash out of the way". It's to be expected that many fights will be off screened or that opponents will be knocked off at an accelerated rate, so having u7 not be on everyone's hit list might be the remedy toyo goes after. He could alternatively have everyone go after u7 and get annihilated and then have the big guns start knocking out the weaker u7 members. He could even try to write the stronger members of u7 out for a while so the weak ones can shine. No matter what happens I'm sure people won't be happy, and that's just how it goes.
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I understand your point but we don't need him to rush into the important battles because they are the cooler ones to read. He should have a reasonable pace to this tournament and not knockout the weaker characters in one chapter. It will just look bad from that view of why bring those characters if you are not going to use them. To me, that is just a disaster waiting to happen.JazzMazz wrote:I agree with you, universe 7 and 6 don't need to literally fight everybody.OLKv3 wrote:Way to ignore my post about what would be the most sensible answer.Totamo wrote: Well, then what will please them?
I hope Toyotaro just gives them key fights with major characters instead of having them fight every loser that wants to go ten rounds but can't even get past the first.
By having less noteable fighters be eliminated off panel, your giving more panel and page space to things that actually matter.
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Re: Would it be better, if in the manga, Toyo knocks out all of the fodder including from U7 in one chapter.
I'm not saying he should knock out the weaker characters in a single chapter, I'm saying he doesn't need to give focus to characters that aren't going to amount to anything, and he could do this by having characters by other universes also eliminating characters in the background progressively. Universe 7 doesn't need to fight literally everybody.majinwarman wrote:I understand your point but we don't need him to rush into the important battles because they are the cooler ones to read. He should have a reasonable pace to this tournament and not knockout the weaker characters in one chapter. It will just look bad from that view of why bring those characters if you are not going to use them. To me, that is just a disaster waiting to happen.JazzMazz wrote:I agree with you, universe 7 and 6 don't need to literally fight everybody.OLKv3 wrote: Way to ignore my post about what would be the most sensible answer.
I hope Toyotaro just gives them key fights with major characters instead of having them fight every loser that wants to go ten rounds but can't even get past the first.
By having less noteable fighters be eliminated off panel, your giving more panel and page space to things that actually matter.
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I agree with this. It just has to feel like a Battle Royale which means that Toyotaro can have an elimination for every few panels in the beginning then as it becomes less hectic more organized group fights and "stories" between the fighters. I hope it's not as padded and Goku obsessed as the anime, but Toyotaro doesn't need to rush it either.OLKv3 wrote:no. just make universes fight each other instead of just U7 and U6Totamo wrote:So one of the biggest complaints a lot of people have with the arc is that U7 are too strong and the other universes have too many weak fighters. Would you be ok if in one chapter, Toyo knocks out all of the fodder including from U7 in one chapter, and by fodder I mean all of the non main warriors.
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That's a good sensible approach. I'm hoping it's how he handles it at the beginning and middle when there's tons of fighters around.TobyS wrote:I think he will focus on some fights, show other fights going on the background and then zoom in on those secondary fights when the KO happens.
That way he doesn't have to draw hundreds of long consecutive fights and chapters but you still feel like chaos is going on. I think that approach would work.
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Murata drew 136 pages with high detail and quality along with 4 colour pages and he is back to drawing the next chapter.He is going to draw two mangas with 100 full coloured pages along with his opm work in the next year.I think he might pull it but it's still difficult.sintzu wrote:I doubt there's anyone who can draw that many characters and fights so there's going to be a good number going out off screen.Zamasu55 wrote:You wish.precita wrote:There's no way the manga is going to show every fighter knocked out like the anime. I'm willing to bet half the fighters especially all the fodder are knocked out off-panel.
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But isn't one punch man like bi monthlyHawk9211 wrote:Murata drew 136 pages with high detail and quality along with 4 colour pages and he is back to drawing the next chapter.He is going to draw two mangas with 100 full coloured pages along with his opm work in the next year.I think he might pull it but it's still difficult.sintzu wrote:I doubt there's anyone who can draw that many characters and fights so there's going to be a good number going out off screen.Zamasu55 wrote: You wish.
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If the eliminations were executed and portrayed in a manner that's befitting for this every side for themselves royale then I wouldn't mind it. Logically, it would make sense for the stronger faces to preoccupy themselves with each other so that the lesser men can receive their moments. The whole process will likely be condensed down into a shortened rendition of the TOP with a universe possibly going out every other chapter or so.
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Nah,murata draws with his own pace as far as I understand he doesn't have a deadline,he just starts drawing as soon as he receives story board from one.Btw It is also available for free otherwise sales would be even higher.Totamo wrote:But isn't one punch man like bi monthlyHawk9211 wrote:Murata drew 136 pages with high detail and quality along with 4 colour pages and he is back to drawing the next chapter.He is going to draw two mangas with 100 full coloured pages along with his opm work in the next year.I think he might pull it but it's still difficult.sintzu wrote:
I doubt there's anyone who can draw that many characters and fights so there's going to be a good number going out off screen.
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It's a possibility, he didn't care to draw Piccolo vs Frost, so I see this as plausible.
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That would definitely not be better, as it'd in a way invalidate having ten contestants per universe to begin with. Why do that when you're just gonna throw them away?
A better choice is to instead increase the amount of fights going on at once. While the "main" Universe 7 battles are happening, other contestants are fighting in the background, maybe getting a panel or so each for their eliminations. One of the biggest complaints have been that the tournament in the anime is just everyone standing still or taking their turn losing to Universe 7, so this would help remedy that. Perhaps Jiren could suddenly decide to eliminate most of a universe really quickly, too, in order to help hype him up. But this whole process wouldn't happen in just one chapter.
A better choice is to instead increase the amount of fights going on at once. While the "main" Universe 7 battles are happening, other contestants are fighting in the background, maybe getting a panel or so each for their eliminations. One of the biggest complaints have been that the tournament in the anime is just everyone standing still or taking their turn losing to Universe 7, so this would help remedy that. Perhaps Jiren could suddenly decide to eliminate most of a universe really quickly, too, in order to help hype him up. But this whole process wouldn't happen in just one chapter.
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