How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

[shadd21]

Since the anime implies(while in the manga they outright confirmed) that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, would that make him on par with Beerus, if not stronger?

[buutenks]

Since the anime implies(while in the manga they outright confirmed) that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, would that make him on par with Beerus, if not stronger?

All GoDs are in same tier of power. Their skills just varies. Also Belmod was never stated to be below Beerus IIRC. So Jiren is above the GoDs, all of them, including Beerus.

Also, in the anime, Whis outright says that Jiren is on a higher level than the GoDs. And Whis made this comment while Jiren was still being suppressed. heck Jiren still hasnt showed his full power.

So a 100% Jiren vs 100% Beerus, Jiren would faceroll Beerus.

ofc allot wank Beerus, so they will say Jiren is stronger than Belmod but weaker than Beerus.

[ToshioWrites]

We have no idea.

In the manga Beerus and Quitela are shown to be the two strongest GoDs and Belmod played dead so his standing is unknown

In the anime we have never seen Beerus full power. I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked if Beerus could one shot Jiren, he seems to be a moving goal post lol

[wolflonnie]

They can't be too different.
It's either Jiren a bit stronger than Beerus, or Beerus a bit stronger than Jiren.
The show seems to imply that Jiren is stronger than the GoD, but Beerus went to be a little stronger than SSG to a bit below freakin' SSB Vegetto, so you might never know.

[SirTorra]

My money would be on Jiren to dominate Bills. All signs point to that being the case. The only thing Bills has is Hakai, but knowing how Jiren is written, he can probably tank that.

[MKCSTEALTH]

We've yet to see either of their full power. The GoDs all seemed surprised at Jirens strength. But if he was just testing Goku at that point. Who knows what'll happen by the end of the tournament

[Polyphase Avatron]

In my opinion the Hakaishin have a wide spectrum of power. Champa is weaker than Beerus and Sidra didn't seem that strong either. I think Belmod < Jiren < Beerus.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

He's stronger than a Hakaishin (Belmod) who is stronger than Beerus.

[Legion]

Belmod is not > Beerus. Arm wrestling match does not mean anything.

Anyway we don't know.

Toei character description say that Jiren is Hakaishin level and the manga confirmed that is above to Belmod in battle power.

Probably the difference between them is small. Of course Jiren can't stomp Beerus lol

[BWri]

I doubt he's any stronger, at least what we're shown of him so far. I still think Beerus is top dog amongst the non-Angels or higher beings.

Since the anime implies(while in the manga they outright confirmed) that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, would that make him on par with Beerus, if not stronger?

In the anime, we're not given much of an implication as to how strong Belmod is, while in the manga, it seems safe to say that Belmod is a fair bit weaker than Beerus since only Beerus and Quitela were the last ones standing. You could say that Beerus and Quitela are simply better survivors, lucky, or more strategic, but the direct implication is that they are the strongest GoD's and bitter rivals. Their rivalry may be what pushes them past the other GoDs, so that's why I think Beerus is superior to Belmod and likely still superior to Jiren. I think that Toriyama still wants Beerus and Whis to be measuring sticks for Goku and Vegeta, but we're getting close to the point where they surpass Beerus at least. I just don't think we're at that point.

All GoDs are in same tier of power. Their skills just varies. Also Belmod was never stated to be below Beerus IIRC. So Jiren is above the GoDs, all of them, including Beerus.

Can you be more specific with the first statement? Same tier of power could mean a lot. My guess is that you mean they are more or less even, but my translation of "same tier" is that they can simply hurt each other but there are GoDs who are superior/inferior to the rest with a rough hierarchy of power. I think of it like those tournaments in DB, maybe the final one to be exact. If they had a free for all like this, you'd probably get a similar result with Krillin, Yamcha, Tao, and Shen (maybe throw in King Piccolo and Roshi for the hell of it) all getting some good hits in that could cause some good damage to an unsuspecting Piccolo and Goku, but in the end those two would wind up as the last two standing because they are far superior to the rest. That's the tier I see Beerus and the other GoDs being in, but clearly he and Quitela are the Piccolo and Goku of that tier, at least in the manga. I don't see Jiren as above ALL the GoDs, just Belmod, but the anime has given enough evidence to consider it.

Also, in the anime, Whis outright says that Jiren is on a higher level than the GoDs. And Whis made this comment while Jiren was still being suppressed. heck Jiren still hasnt showed his full power.

Yeah, this is one of those bits of evidence that I mentioned, but I take it with a pinch of salt. I'm not confident that Toei has the full picture here and Toyotaro is extremely careful not to mess with Toriyama's vision too much, whereas Toei has screwed the pooch a few times and "corrected" their errors by simply ignoring them. I go by Toyotaro's scaling more than anything and so far he's implied that Beerus and Quitela are over the other GoD's. It's a convenient "out" in case he needs Beerus to be stronger than Jiren later, which I'm choosing to believe is the case. It's not to wank Beerus either, it's simply because I don't think Toriyama would demystify the measuring stick that is Beerus so easily. He hasn't done so yet and I don't think he'll do it until it's narratively important for the character or for Goku.

Also Jiren hasn't shown his full power. Good point. I'm just going on what we've seen so far. If he can potentially double that, then he is truly a scary individual and should be erased by the Zenos before he commits a mutiny, A MUTINY I SAY!

[Black Hawk]

My personal prediction is that Jiren's power is equal to Beerus and the other destroyer deities at the absolute weakest and equal to Whis and the other guide angels at the absolute strongest, weaker than the Grand Priest at any rate. In other words, on the 6-10-15 scale, he'd be somewhere from a 10 at weakest to a 15 at strongest. I won't make any concrete judgments on where his power stands until I see how its full extent is eventually portrayed in the manga.

[KingKaash]

If Jiren is stronger than Beerus, and Goku defeats Jiren, then that would mean Goku has probably surpassed Beerus. I'm not sure if the show is ready to go there yet. I also don't think Goku will defeat Jiren. So I'd have to go with GoD Beerus being stronger than Jiren. It's a random way of thinking but others have mentioned that there is no solid proof in the anime that Jiren is stronger than Beerus of vice versa.

[RedShift]

My money would be on Jiren to dominate Bills. All signs point to that being the case. The only thing Bills has is Hakai, but knowing how Jiren is written, he can probably tank that.

It's 2018, we're still calling Beerus "Bills"?

Anyway, we have no idea how strong Jiren is compared to Beerus. Only that Jiren can best Belmond and he's in the same realm of power as the God's.

[GeeksetPodcast]

I believe he's as strong or slightly stronger. The fact that he goes toe to toe with Belmond

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Belmod is not > Beerus. Arm wrestling match does not mean anything.

Anyway we don't know.

Toei character description say that Jiren is Hakaishin level and the manga confirmed that is above to Belmod in battle power.

Probably the difference between them is small. Of course Jiren can't stomp Beerus lol

That line about Belmod beating Beerus in an arm wrestling match exists for a reason. The writers are clearly trying to tell us that Belmod is stronger

[Polyphase Avatron]

Belmod is not > Beerus. Arm wrestling match does not mean anything.

Anyway we don't know.

Toei character description say that Jiren is Hakaishin level and the manga confirmed that is above to Belmod in battle power.

Probably the difference between them is small. Of course Jiren can't stomp Beerus lol

That line about Belmod beating Beerus in an arm wrestling match exists for a reason. The writers are clearly trying to tell us that Belmod is stronger

I thought it was Quitela who beat him in arm wrestling.

[dbgtFO]

Belmod is not > Beerus. Arm wrestling match does not mean anything.

Anyway we don't know.

Toei character description say that Jiren is Hakaishin level and the manga confirmed that is above to Belmod in battle power.

Probably the difference between them is small. Of course Jiren can't stomp Beerus lol

That line about Belmod beating Beerus in an arm wrestling match exists for a reason. The writers are clearly trying to tell us that Belmod is stronger

I thought it was Quitela who beat him in arm wrestling.

In the manga that is the case. In the anime the armwrestling match hasn't been brought up again.
Neither has the GoD who was supposed to be stronger than Beerus.

[Hawk9211]

In anime,only god knows we still don't have confirmation for god who beat beerus in arm wrestling.
In manga,jiren is only stronger in battle power than belmod and they use the same for comparing saibaman with raditz.So,even if jiren is stronger he might still be beaten by belmod and we don't have a clear idea how each hakaishin compares with each other.

[Legion]

Belmod is not > Beerus. Arm wrestling match does not mean anything.

Anyway we don't know.

Toei character description say that Jiren is Hakaishin level and the manga confirmed that is above to Belmod in battle power.

Probably the difference between them is small. Of course Jiren can't stomp Beerus lol

That line about Belmod beating Beerus in an arm wrestling match exists for a reason. The writers are clearly trying to tell us that Belmod is stronger

Not really.

[Lord Beerus]

Impossible to tell for two big reasons:

1. We have yet to see Beerus fight at full power
2. We don't know how strong all of the Hakaishin are compared to one another. So as such, we can't determine whether Belmod is stronger than Beerus or vice-versa.