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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Legion » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:04 pm

Amir wrote:
Legion wrote:People who really believe that suppressed Jiren is > Gods i hope that they are just trolling. Vermoud was worried because that genkidama was really powerful and Jiren seemed in difficulty. Unless you guys believe that Goku Genkidama has some chance to beat an Hakaishin (and this is just lol) suppressed Jiren is not>Gods.

It was already confirmed that Jiren is Hakaishin level by Toei, and in the manga he's above to Belmod in battle power, nothing more.

"A mortal that a God can't defeat" does not mean that he can stomp them. Some people really believe that he can finger flick a God like an Angel :lol:
Nothing more? Whis said he perhaps surpassed the STATE of gods of destruction, which puts him above all of them. Belomd said ''that giant ball had me worried, but for Jiren it was a piece of cake'', implying that for him, it was something to worry about, but for Jiren it's nothing. Whis said Jiren is as strong as a god of destruction based on his suppressed power.

Jiren is stronger than all gods of destruction. There might not be a direct confirmation, but all the evidences suggest he is. It makes more sense to think he is than not. Once Jiren shows his full power, I'm certain it will be confiremd once and for all directly. Either way, it's confirmed he is at the very least top tier GOD level, but of course he can't stomp them.
Whis understands that Jiren maximum level can be compared to that of the Hakaishins or perhaps even more powerful. He just accounting Jiren's hypothetical full power, that's all. Suppressed Jiren is not above or equal to the Gods, it's nonsense that people really believe this. :|

Also, Jiren>all the Gods is still an headcanon. We don't know anything about Gods tier in the anime (and that in the manga are comparable all each other is really not true). We only know that there is a mortal that a God can't defeat, and this God beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match (in the anime it seems is Belmod and in the manga is Quitela). That's all.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Legion » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:05 pm

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Kaiosama wrote:Yeah, he did. The power creep wasn't nearly as big. That is more like Gohan going from SSJ2 to Mystic and surpassing Super Buu. GoD's are on a whole different level than them and there's not really anywhere to go but Angel Tier after Goku and Vegeta master Ultra Instinct.
How do you mean 'wasn't nearly as big'. Freeza was also on a whole different level then Goku. In fact Freeza was almost 280 times stronger then Goku before Goku when to Namek. And you think a ssjb level is 280 times weaker then Beerus? No way

And beside, manga stated that ssjb is nearly at the level of a god.
In the manga suppressed Beerus stomped Vegeta perfect blue. SSJB is not near to the Gods.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Pannaliciour » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:02 pm

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Kaiosama wrote:Yeah, he did. The power creep wasn't nearly as big. That is more like Gohan going from SSJ2 to Mystic and surpassing Super Buu. GoD's are on a whole different level than them and there's not really anywhere to go but Angel Tier after Goku and Vegeta master Ultra Instinct.
How do you mean 'wasn't nearly as big'. Freeza was also on a whole different level then Goku. In fact Freeza was almost 280 times stronger then Goku before Goku when to Namek. And you think a ssjb level is 280 times weaker then Beerus? No way

And beside, manga stated that ssjb is nearly at the level of a god.
In the manga suppressed Beerus stomped Vegeta perfect blue. SSJB is not near to the Gods.
You mean the same Beerus that was scared and sweating when Jiren powered up (supressed)?

Again, Beerus is not 280 times stronger then Ssjb Vegeta even if he stomped Vegeta. Thats rediculious. Besides didn't the female GoD said when Goku powered up (ssg) against Toppo in the manga that Goku's power is that of a GoD? The same thing happen in the anime. Thats a Toriyama line. Toyo is either contradicting himself with the Vegeta vs Beerus fight or Beerus is one of the strongest GoD out there. Either way it doesn't matter since Whis stated that Jiren is above GoD.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Amir » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:10 pm

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Legion wrote:People who really believe that suppressed Jiren is > Gods i hope that they are just trolling. Vermoud was worried because that genkidama was really powerful and Jiren seemed in difficulty. Unless you guys believe that Goku Genkidama has some chance to beat an Hakaishin (and this is just lol) suppressed Jiren is not>Gods.

It was already confirmed that Jiren is Hakaishin level by Toei, and in the manga he's above to Belmod in battle power, nothing more.

"A mortal that a God can't defeat" does not mean that he can stomp them. Some people really believe that he can finger flick a God like an Angel :lol:
Nothing more? Whis said he perhaps surpassed the STATE of gods of destruction, which puts him above all of them. Belomd said ''that giant ball had me worried, but for Jiren it was a piece of cake'', implying that for him, it was something to worry about, but for Jiren it's nothing. Whis said Jiren is as strong as a god of destruction based on his suppressed power.

Jiren is stronger than all gods of destruction. There might not be a direct confirmation, but all the evidences suggest he is. It makes more sense to think he is than not. Once Jiren shows his full power, I'm certain it will be confiremd once and for all directly. Either way, it's confirmed he is at the very least top tier GOD level, but of course he can't stomp them.
Whis understands that Jiren maximum level can be compared to that of the Hakaishins or perhaps even more powerful. He just accounting Jiren's hypothetical full power, that's all. Suppressed Jiren is not above or equal to the Gods, it's nonsense that people really believe this. :|

Also, Jiren>all the Gods is still an headcanon. We don't know anything about Gods tier in the anime (and that in the manga are comparable all each other is really not true). We only know that there is a mortal that a God can't defeat, and this God beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match (in the anime it seems is Belmod and in the manga is Quitela). That's all.
Your first statement is headcanon. Nothing in the show even implied it. He just said Jiren is as strong as a god of destruction as a response to Shin's comment about Jiren's current power.

And Jiren is stronger than all of the GODs. Doesn't matter if we don't know, Whis does, and he said Jiren probably surpassed the state of GOD.
Also, in the manga all GODs are roughly the same, some are a bit weaker and some are a bit stronger, with Belmod, Beerus and that rat on top. Still, they all beat the living shit out of each other.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Kaiosama » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:41 pm

Pannaliciour wrote:
Kaiosama wrote:Yeah, he did. The power creep wasn't nearly as big. That is more like Gohan going from SSJ2 to Mystic and surpassing Super Buu. GoD's are on a whole different level than them and there's not really anywhere to go but Angel Tier after Goku and Vegeta master Ultra Instinct.
How do you mean 'wasn't nearly as big'. Freeza was also on a whole different level then Goku. In fact Freeza was almost 280 times (final form) stronger then Goku before Goku when to Namek. And you think a ssjb level is 280 times weaker then Beerus? No way

And beside, manga stated that ssjb is nearly at the level of a god.
SSB in the Manga and SSB in the anime are two very different animals. There is no "Completed" SSB in the anime. Judging by the fact that Beerus trashed MSSB Vegeta in one blow after getting serious shows that there is a wide gap between Hakaishin and MSSB. Only in another universe would MSSB Vegeta and Goku be considered candidates for GoD at their current level. Also another example is MSSB Goku barely able to perform a "Hakai" on Merged Zamasu before ultimately failing to finish the technique. The Hakai was going to take all of Goku's MSSB energy to attempt. Hakaishin aren't breathing heavily after using their techniques.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Kaiosama » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:55 pm

Pannaliciour wrote:
Legion wrote:
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How do you mean 'wasn't nearly as big'. Freeza was also on a whole different level then Goku. In fact Freeza was almost 280 times stronger then Goku before Goku when to Namek. And you think a ssjb level is 280 times weaker then Beerus? No way

And beside, manga stated that ssjb is nearly at the level of a god.
In the manga suppressed Beerus stomped Vegeta perfect blue. SSJB is not near to the Gods.
You mean the same Beerus that was scared and sweating when Jiren powered up (supressed)?

Again, Beerus is not 280 times stronger then Ssjb Vegeta even if he stomped Vegeta. Thats rediculious. Besides didn't the female GoD said when Goku powered up (ssg) against Toppo in the manga that Goku's power is that of a GoD? The same thing happen in the anime. Thats a Toriyama line. Toyo is either contradicting himself with the Vegeta vs Beerus fight or Beerus is one of the strongest GoD out there. Either way it doesn't matter since Whis stated that Jiren is above GoD.
The point is that it's a ridiculous plot point to make Jiren that strong and have Vegeta and Goku able to catch and surpass the GoD in a 46 minute tournament. If we're comparing Goku vs. Frieza in the Namek Saga to this, it was questionable writing to have statements by other characters of Goku being a Super Saiyan at 60,000 and 180,000 (as Ginyu and Vegeta originally thought), and then have the actual product be 260,000,000 or whatever it ended up being when he transformed against Frieza.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if SSB was 280 times weaker than Beerus when he's going all out. He told Vegeta it would take him a million years to be able to compete with him, but he may be a candidate in another universe. Beerus is as strong has the plot needs him to be and has been the end goal for Goku and Vegeta in terms of narrative as stated multiple times throughout the Super continuity. The Oracle Fish said they would rival Beerus, not utterly surpass him to be able to combat a character significantly stronger than all of the Hakaishin.

Would you consider the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Jiren to be wider or narrower than Namek Saga Goku and Frieza? I know what you think of the gap between Beerus and them, but what about Jiren?

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Pannaliciour » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:45 am

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Pannaliciour wrote:
Legion wrote: In the manga suppressed Beerus stomped Vegeta perfect blue. SSJB is not near to the Gods.
You mean the same Beerus that was scared and sweating when Jiren powered up (supressed)?

Again, Beerus is not 280 times stronger then Ssjb Vegeta even if he stomped Vegeta. Thats rediculious. Besides didn't the female GoD said when Goku powered up (ssg) against Toppo in the manga that Goku's power is that of a GoD? The same thing happen in the anime. Thats a Toriyama line. Toyo is either contradicting himself with the Vegeta vs Beerus fight or Beerus is one of the strongest GoD out there. Either way it doesn't matter since Whis stated that Jiren is above GoD.
The point is that it's a ridiculous plot point to make Jiren that strong and have Vegeta and Goku able to catch and surpass the GoD in a 46 minute tournament. If we're comparing Goku vs. Frieza in the Namek Saga to this, it was questionable writing to have statements by other characters of Goku being a Super Saiyan at 60,000 and 180,000 (as Ginyu and Vegeta originally thought), and then have the actual product be 260,000,000 or whatever it ended up being when he transformed against Frieza.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if SSB was 280 times weaker than Beerus when he's going all out. He told Vegeta it would take him a million years to be able to compete with him, but he may be a candidate in another universe. Beerus is as strong has the plot needs him to be and has been the end goal for Goku and Vegeta in terms of narrative as stated multiple times throughout the Super continuity. The Oracle Fish said they would rival Beerus, not utterly surpass him to be able to combat a character significantly stronger than all of the Hakaishin.

Would you consider the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Jiren to be wider or narrower than Namek Saga Goku and Frieza? I know what you think of the gap between Beerus and them, but what about Jiren?
Oke this is my last post about this. Now read my post carefully. If you still think that a Beerus is 280 times stronger then Full power mssjblue Vegeta then you either are a idiot or a Beerus fanboy.

First I begin with your post:
You said it rediculious that they are stronger then Beerus in 46 minutes. But a human being created androids that where above Freeza (ruler of the Universe). Thats not rediculious?

Second you said Goku needed a transformation/power up? Guess what Goku got Ultra Instinct!

Now your claim about Beerus beeing 280 times stronger then full power mssjb Vegeta:

-Here is the narruto saying that ssjb is nearing the power of a GoD:

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-Here is the goddess saying it:
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-Here is another GoD stating that they are already at a level of a GoD (Goku was only ssjG):
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-Toppo stated that he would have lost if he did't dodge that last punch of Goku. And Toppo is GoD candidate:
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-In the anime they said the same:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u-zzmCiNfUY

- Plus Toppo said Jiren is many many times stronger then himself and his power level is higher then Belmouth.

How can you be at a level of a GoD and still be like 280 times weaker then a GoD?

And you are still saying that its rediculious that Ultra instinct >Beerus but Goku (namek saga)> Freeza is not?

Why are we still ARGUING when the makers itself stated this!?

Conclusion: same shit, different day (from dbz to dbs)

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:52 am

With regards to the massive numbers inflation, the anime is admittedly more guilty of this thanks to Kaio-ken existing as a multiplicative power-up for Goku, and Jiren just utterly roflstomping him even then and ESPECIALLY when the two are clashing in a power struggle with Goku's Genkidama.

I've said my piece about it before, but I'll quickly sum it up.

Base Goku was having trouble against Pure Buu in their Genkidama struggle. SSB Goku with Kaio-kenX20 was struggling about as much as he was back then against Jiren. Coupled with the fact that SSB Vegito in the manga was stated to potentially surpass Beerus, and you have a case where only a fusion of two SSBs could approach the level of the Hakaishin. That's not a difference of a few hundred. That's a difference of a few THOUSAND.

It could very well be that Jiren's power difference over Goku is ever so slightly greater than that of Beerus's, given this analysis I've done on the anime turn of events.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Legion » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:11 am

Pannaliciour wrote:
Legion wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:
How do you mean 'wasn't nearly as big'. Freeza was also on a whole different level then Goku. In fact Freeza was almost 280 times stronger then Goku before Goku when to Namek. And you think a ssjb level is 280 times weaker then Beerus? No way

And beside, manga stated that ssjb is nearly at the level of a god.
In the manga suppressed Beerus stomped Vegeta perfect blue. SSJB is not near to the Gods.

You mean the same Beerus that was scared and sweating when Jiren powered up (supressed)?


Again, Beerus is not 280 times stronger then Ssjb Vegeta even if he stomped Vegeta. Thats rediculious. Besides didn't the female GoD said when Goku powered up (ssg) against Toppo in the manga that Goku's power is that of a GoD? The same thing happen in the anime. Thats a Toriyama line. Toyo is either contradicting himself with the Vegeta vs Beerus fight or Beerus is one of the strongest GoD out there. Either way it doesn't matter since Whis stated that Jiren is above GoD.
Lol? yeah sure, like he was scared with Goku KKX10 :lol: A reaction of surprise over power levels doesn't mean jack.

The Gods are>>SSJB level characters. Is a fact.
Your first statement is headcanon. Nothing in the show even implied it. He just said Jiren is as strong as a god of destruction as a response to Shin's comment about Jiren's current power.
No is not. If you guys really believe that suppressed Jiren against Goku SSJB is > Gods, is not my problem. :?
And Jiren is stronger than all of the GODs. Doesn't matter if we don't know, Whis does, and he said Jiren probably surpassed the state of GOD.
Also, in the manga all GODs are roughly the same, some are a bit weaker and some are a bit stronger, with Belmod, Beerus and that rat on top. Still, they all beat the living shit out of each other.
Never confirmed. Surpassed the state of GOD does not mean that is stronger than all the current Gods.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by ToshioWrites » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:28 pm

Shin in the manga said SSB Vegito MIGHT be stronger than beerus.

1. Shin is not reliable at all

2. Shin has never seen beerus at full power

lets say SSB Vegito = Beerus.

Potara fusion is a ridiculous amp. Possibly hundreds to thousands of times. So beerus being hundreds of times stronger than ssb vegeta/goku isn't crazy.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Kaiosama » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:05 pm

Pannaliciour wrote:
Kaiosama wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:
You mean the same Beerus that was scared and sweating when Jiren powered up (supressed)?

Again, Beerus is not 280 times stronger then Ssjb Vegeta even if he stomped Vegeta. Thats rediculious. Besides didn't the female GoD said when Goku powered up (ssg) against Toppo in the manga that Goku's power is that of a GoD? The same thing happen in the anime. Thats a Toriyama line. Toyo is either contradicting himself with the Vegeta vs Beerus fight or Beerus is one of the strongest GoD out there. Either way it doesn't matter since Whis stated that Jiren is above GoD.
The point is that it's a ridiculous plot point to make Jiren that strong and have Vegeta and Goku able to catch and surpass the GoD in a 46 minute tournament. If we're comparing Goku vs. Frieza in the Namek Saga to this, it was questionable writing to have statements by other characters of Goku being a Super Saiyan at 60,000 and 180,000 (as Ginyu and Vegeta originally thought), and then have the actual product be 260,000,000 or whatever it ended up being when he transformed against Frieza.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if SSB was 280 times weaker than Beerus when he's going all out. He told Vegeta it would take him a million years to be able to compete with him, but he may be a candidate in another universe. Beerus is as strong has the plot needs him to be and has been the end goal for Goku and Vegeta in terms of narrative as stated multiple times throughout the Super continuity. The Oracle Fish said they would rival Beerus, not utterly surpass him to be able to combat a character significantly stronger than all of the Hakaishin.

Would you consider the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Jiren to be wider or narrower than Namek Saga Goku and Frieza? I know what you think of the gap between Beerus and them, but what about Jiren?
Oke this is my last post about this. Now read my post carefully. If you still think that a Beerus is 280 times stronger then Full power mssjblue Vegeta then you either are a idiot or a Beerus fanboy.

First I begin with your post:
You said it rediculious that they are stronger then Beerus in 46 minutes. But a human being created androids that where above Freeza (ruler of the Universe). Thats not rediculious?

Second you said Goku needed a transformation/power up? Guess what Goku got Ultra Instinct!

Now your claim about Beerus beeing 280 times stronger then full power mssjb Vegeta:

-Here is the narruto saying that ssjb is nearing the power of a GoD:

http://m.mangafox.la/manga/dragon_ball_ ... 05/11.html

-Here is the goddess saying it:
https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/dra ... /29/37.png

-Here is another GoD stating that they are already at a level of a GoD (Goku was only ssjG):
http://m.mangafox.la/manga/dragon_ball_ ... 29/41.html

-Toppo stated that he would have lost if he did't dodge that last punch of Goku. And Toppo is GoD candidate:
http://m.mangafox.la/manga/dragon_ball_ ... 29/47.html

-In the anime they said the same:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u-zzmCiNfUY

- Plus Toppo said Jiren is many many times stronger then himself and his power level is higher then Belmouth.

How can you be at a level of a GoD and still be like 280 times weaker then a GoD?

And you are still saying that its rediculious that Ultra instinct >Beerus but Goku (namek saga)> Freeza is not?

Why are we still ARGUING when the makers itself stated this!?

Conclusion: same shit, different day (from dbz to dbs)
Why are you trying to use powerscaling to justify your point when it's been at all over the place in this series? I just happen to find this writing problematic. I respectively disagree with you. No need to get hostile.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

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After the latest ep, How could Goku and Jiren still be below Beerus?

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shadd21 wrote:After the latest ep, How could Goku and Jiren still be below Beerus?
For real. UI Goku stomped a full-power Geran (stronger than Vermoud), only for Geran to get dramatically stronger and match UI Goku.
Why I use "Geran" instead of "Jiren"

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shadd21 wrote:After the latest ep, How could Goku and Jiren still be below Beerus?
MUI goku effortlessly stomped Full power jiren (already above Belmod), then jiren broke his limits and massively powered up. Beerus can be stronger than belmod, but damn was the gap between full power jiren and limit Breaker jiren HUGE.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

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Kenneth La Torre wrote:
shadd21 wrote:After the latest ep, How could Goku and Jiren still be below Beerus?
MUI goku effortlessly stomped Full power jiren (already above Belmod), then jiren broke his limits and massively powered up. Beerus can be stronger than belmod, but damn was the gap between full power jiren and limit Breaker jiren HUGE.
Wasn't there something in some promotional material recently stating that MUI Goku 'may' be stronger than Beerus, but it was phrased ambiguously?
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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

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Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Kenneth La Torre wrote:
shadd21 wrote:After the latest ep, How could Goku and Jiren still be below Beerus?
MUI goku effortlessly stomped Full power jiren (already above Belmod), then jiren broke his limits and massively powered up. Beerus can be stronger than belmod, but damn was the gap between full power jiren and limit Breaker jiren HUGE.
Wasn't there something in some promotional material recently stating that MUI Goku 'may' be stronger than Beerus, but it was phrased ambiguously?
It was supposedly a statement meant to come from Beerus, but this comment never popped up in the episode.

Simple extrapolation of events also plainly tells us that, even if they're not far above that level, Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku are indeed above the Hakaishin.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Kenneth La Torre » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:54 pm

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shadd21 wrote:After the latest ep, How could Goku and Jiren still be below Beerus?
MUI goku effortlessly stomped Full power jiren (already above Belmod), then jiren broke his limits and massively powered up. Beerus can be stronger than belmod, but damn was the gap between full power jiren and limit Breaker jiren HUGE.
Wasn't there something in some promotional material recently stating that MUI Goku 'may' be stronger than Beerus, but it was phrased ambiguously?
Only in promotional material. It’s nearly the same as the Super Vegito vs ssj4 goku thing, where one is stated perhaps stronger than the other one, despite the fact that one is beyond the other one, period.

That’s why I never get this. Plus we know that if beerus is beyond belmod, it won’t be to the point where he can just effortlessly beat him. We have seen that hakaishins are very close to each other.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

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ToshioWrites wrote:Shin in the manga said SSB Vegito MIGHT be stronger than beerus.

1. Shin is not reliable at all

2. Shin has never seen beerus at full power

lets say SSB Vegito = Beerus.

Potara fusion is a ridiculous amp. Possibly hundreds to thousands of times. So beerus being hundreds of times stronger than ssb vegeta/goku isn't crazy.
Yeah, except Kefla was said to only be "tens of times" stronger than Kale and Caulifla's added powers. Though she was above SSj God Goku in base, while the girls separately couldn't handle SSj God Goku in their strongest forms while fighting together, so yeah the boost is pretty unbelievable alright.

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

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Saturnine wrote:
ToshioWrites wrote:Shin in the manga said SSB Vegito MIGHT be stronger than beerus.

1. Shin is not reliable at all

2. Shin has never seen beerus at full power

lets say SSB Vegito = Beerus.

Potara fusion is a ridiculous amp. Possibly hundreds to thousands of times. So beerus being hundreds of times stronger than ssb vegeta/goku isn't crazy.
Yeah, except Kefla was said to only be "tens of times" stronger than Kale and Caulifla's added powers. Though she was above SSj God Goku in base, while the girls separately couldn't handle SSj God Goku in their strongest forms while fighting together, so yeah the boost is pretty unbelievable alright.

Kefla was like kale ^2 and then some in power

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Re: How strong is Jiren compared to Beerus?

Post by Amir » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:27 am

Kenneth La Torre wrote:
shadd21 wrote:After the latest ep, How could Goku and Jiren still be below Beerus?
MUI goku effortlessly stomped Full power jiren (already above Belmod), then jiren broke his limits and massively powered up. Beerus can be stronger than belmod, but damn was the gap between full power jiren and limit Breaker jiren HUGE.
Agreed. They should be way above him at this point.

Inb4 people come up with the irrelevant we have never seen Beerus's full power argument.

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