Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
To be fair, if we continue the trope of Goku having never won more than 1 tournament he's been throughout the franchise, it could be a possibility. I feel that he'll be eliminated before the end
Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
Imo it would be kinda cool Supers last episodes ended right after Zenos squished their hands and the the last thing we see is universe 7's faces as they're erased.
Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
If that does happen, it'll be proof positive that the show ending is only temporary. Because they still need to square with End of Z.
In that scenario, you'd end with the erasure of Universe 7, Goku giving a farewell to his friends and by extension, the audience. Then, the next story, whatever that is, would begin with Jiren or whoever making the wish on the SBDs to restore all the erased Universes.
In that scenario, you'd end with the erasure of Universe 7, Goku giving a farewell to his friends and by extension, the audience. Then, the next story, whatever that is, would begin with Jiren or whoever making the wish on the SBDs to restore all the erased Universes.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
With Gohan-kun out, I don't see any way Universe Seven could possibly win; that doesn't necessarily mean that Universe Eleven will win or that Universe Seven will be erased, but I have zero belief that Universe Seven will make it to the end of this victoriously.
There's no way No. 17 and Golden Freeza can defeat Top, especially if he becomes a destroyer deity, and there's also no way Gokū and Vegeta can deal with both Jiren and Top after No. 17 and Freeza are eliminated. Even if Top wasn't an issue, I don't think Gokū can defeat Jiren, with or without Vegeta. I just don't see any way for Universe Seven to win.
Looking back, due to just how absurdly powerful Jiren is, I don't think Universe Seven ever had any chance of winning. I think it might have been over from the moment Belmod convinced Jiren to enter. Given Jiren's statement in the manga that, if something were to happen with Universe Eleven, he'd immediately leave the tournament and return to Universe Eleven, how feasible is it that this might actually happen? That's the only way I can see Universe Seven winning, but, even then, I think that would have to take place a good while before the final few minutes.
There's no way No. 17 and Golden Freeza can defeat Top, especially if he becomes a destroyer deity, and there's also no way Gokū and Vegeta can deal with both Jiren and Top after No. 17 and Freeza are eliminated. Even if Top wasn't an issue, I don't think Gokū can defeat Jiren, with or without Vegeta. I just don't see any way for Universe Seven to win.
Looking back, due to just how absurdly powerful Jiren is, I don't think Universe Seven ever had any chance of winning. I think it might have been over from the moment Belmod convinced Jiren to enter. Given Jiren's statement in the manga that, if something were to happen with Universe Eleven, he'd immediately leave the tournament and return to Universe Eleven, how feasible is it that this might actually happen? That's the only way I can see Universe Seven winning, but, even then, I think that would have to take place a good while before the final few minutes.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
No. At worst it'll end in a draw.
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I think if time is running out, Jiren/Toppo will stop holding back and just unleash all their power on Goku/Vegeta to get rid of them.BlueBasilisk wrote:No. At worst it'll end in a draw.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
Nah
Frieza will be the last man standing, he'll get returned to Otherworld just as he's about to make his wish, and then the wish to restore everyone and everything will be made.
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Frieza will be the last man standing, he'll get returned to Otherworld just as he's about to make his wish, and then the wish to restore everyone and everything will be made.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
I would be enraged. People, our heroes having only truly won in a single arc, they need a victory, a real victory.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
There are really only three outcomes:
-Goku wins and wishes all the universes lost in this arc back.
-Jiren wins and wishes all the universes lost back--possibly even the ones erased prior to this arc.
-Frieza is the last man standing and wishes for full control of the gods.
I predict #2 may be it, given the hints of Jiren's wish we've gotten. This will be immediately debunked the second he reveals his wish through in-battle dialogue. At which point, you know #1 will happen instead because this show is very predictable.
-Goku wins and wishes all the universes lost in this arc back.
-Jiren wins and wishes all the universes lost back--possibly even the ones erased prior to this arc.
-Frieza is the last man standing and wishes for full control of the gods.
I predict #2 may be it, given the hints of Jiren's wish we've gotten. This will be immediately debunked the second he reveals his wish through in-battle dialogue. At which point, you know #1 will happen instead because this show is very predictable.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
They've said Dragon Ball would continue. How would it if that happens?precita wrote:All of Goku/Vegeta's attacks on Jiren have barely done anything, and we've already seen Jiren nearly knocked out of the ring to jump back up. Now we have "God Toppo" who is seemingly even more powerful than before, and will likely plow through 17 and Freeza. Vegeta's new blue sparkly form hasn't made much of a difference at least so far, and Ultra Instinct also seemed to have trouble with Jiren.
Barring something like U7 winning by time since 3 members over just Jiren/Toppo would make U7 "win" by having more fighters left...or them using fusion and Vegito again, I don't see how they can win.
With the knowledge of the hiatus, maybe U7 gets erased? And it will be a meta reason for no more show? Can't have a series without Goku and co.
Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
Such a ending would be dark as hell, much darker than how the Future Trunks Arc ending was, However it's probably not going to happen unless:
U7 get's erased and screen goes black, after like 1 minute of nothing, the screen starts to show the tournament and U7 again, together with the other universes, everyone wondering what happened, and the Great Priest making an announcement: "The winner of the Tournament of Power, Jiren the grey has wished for all universes to be restored in order to give them a second chance regarding their mortal level".
U7 get's erased and screen goes black, after like 1 minute of nothing, the screen starts to show the tournament and U7 again, together with the other universes, everyone wondering what happened, and the Great Priest making an announcement: "The winner of the Tournament of Power, Jiren the grey has wished for all universes to be restored in order to give them a second chance regarding their mortal level".
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
They could lose, but I would rather Universe 7, and more importantly the main cast, win a major battle for once in Super. They've come out the losers in every major arc so far and I feel for a high stakes tournament like this, that the main cast should get to win the big one. They deserve it now more than ever.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
I wouldn't mind that if it was somehow going to tie into a future arc. Since Super is coming to an end, though, I think the end result will be either Goku somehow pulling off a major upset win or Jiren choosing to resurrect everyone with his wish. Something so consequential and dark like our heroes' universe being erased would probably be a bit too much for these writers. Yes, Trunks' world was erased but that was an alternate timeline where all of humanity had been killed anyway.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
You speak as if the only way they can win is if they beat them head on.... Everybody knows the winner is the universe with the most remaining fighters in the ring.Black Hawk wrote:With Gohan-kun out, I don't see any way Universe Seven could possibly win; that doesn't necessarily mean that Universe Eleven will win or that Universe Seven will be erased, but I have zero belief that Universe Seven will make it to the end of this victoriously.
There's no way No. 17 and Golden Freeza can defeat Top, especially if he becomes a destroyer deity, and there's also no way Gokū and Vegeta can deal with both Jiren and Top after No. 17 and Freeza are eliminated. Even if Top wasn't an issue, I don't think Gokū can defeat Jiren, with or without Vegeta. I just don't see any way for Universe Seven to win.
Looking back, due to just how absurdly powerful Jiren is, I don't think Universe Seven ever had any chance of winning. I think it might have been over from the moment Belmod convinced Jiren to enter. Given Jiren's statement in the manga that, if something were to happen with Universe Eleven, he'd immediately leave the tournament and return to Universe Eleven, how feasible is it that this might actually happen? That's the only way I can see Universe Seven winning, but, even then, I think that would have to take place a good while before the final few minutes.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
The problem is that, unless Jiren just loses all track of time, time isn't on Universe Seven's side, either. If Jiren knows how much time is left, there's nothing that can stop him from powering up and eliminating Gokū and Vegeta as they currently are in an instant; if anything, this makes time an ally to Universe Eleven as it puts a time limit on how long Gokū has to make something happen. Without Ultra Instinct Omen's perfect defense at the very least, there's nothing he can do to stop Jiren from swatting him out like a fly if Jiren so chooses.TheOtherDude wrote:You speak as if the only way they can win is if they beat them head on.... Everybody knows the winner is the universe with the most remaining fighters in the ring.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
Yeah if Jiren wanted to end this, he could’ve done it at any point. But hasn’t because of plot. Part of me thinks they might take a similar path as the manga and make Jiren out to be someone who doesn’t want to contribute to destroying other universes to save his own. Everyone is always going after him. Not the other way around.Black Hawk wrote:The problem is that, unless Jiren just loses all track of time, time isn't on Universe Seven's side, either. If Jiren knows how much time is left, there's nothing that can stop him from powering up and eliminating Gokū and Vegeta as they currently are in an instant; if anything, this makes time an ally to Universe Eleven as it puts a time limit on how long Gokū has to make something happen. Without Ultra Instinct Omen's perfect defense at the very least, there's nothing he can do to stop Jiren from swatting him out like a fly if Jiren so chooses.TheOtherDude wrote:You speak as if the only way they can win is if they beat them head on.... Everybody knows the winner is the universe with the most remaining fighters in the ring.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
Additionally, I think it also has something to do with Jiren's motive. He's a lot like Gokū in that he wants strong opponents around to fight against because he seeks to endlessly grow stronger; at least, that's how I interpret Jiren's statement that he seeks that which lies beyond strength. If he used his full power against Gokū at any point before the end of the tournament, he'd potentially lose the chance to fight someone truly incredible, assuming Gokū can properly utilize or even master Ultra Instinct Omen before the tournament ends.TheOtherDude wrote:Yeah if Jiren wanted to end this, he could’ve done it at any point. But hasn’t because of plot. Part of me thinks they might take a similar path as the manga and make Jiren out to be someone who doesn’t want to contribute to destroying other universes to save his own. Everyone is always going after him. Not the other way around.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
It could be a cool twist if U7 ended and shortly later Goku and the other find themselves revived on Earth, and wonder what the hell happened. Then they discover someone wished them back with the Super DBs and that many years have passed ever since the ToP (time on Earth wouldn't have passed because it was erased) and the multiverse is in chaos.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
I really like this idea; it would make the potential cliffhanger coming up (unless we get an actual conclusion) all the more tense and impressive as we wait for the film this December and any Dragon Ball series that may take place thereafter.emperior wrote:It could be a cool twist if U7 ended and shortly later Goku and the other find themselves revived on Earth, and wonder what the hell happened. Then they discover someone wished them back with the Super DBs and that many years have passed ever since the ToP (time on Earth wouldn't have passed because it was erased) and the multiverse is in chaos.
Just out of curiosity, does the concept of Age (as in Age 784 being the year Gokū left with Oob) as we know it apply in the same manner to other universes? If not, then your idea could very well work.
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Re: Crunch time: Could U7 actually lose the tournament and be erased?
i can see that happening. UI Goku doesn't appear to be ANYWHERE near Jiren in strenght. I doubt that "mastering" the form will be a massive giant difference that will suddenly make Goku in the same level or stronger than Jiren.
Maybe U7 can win by having more fighters in the stage than U11... Maybe we'll have a fusion... or U7 winning by some kind of strategy that will not involve being stronger than Jiren... or Jiren wins. Who knows.
DBS is so unpredictable that I can't be sure about my guessings.
Maybe U7 can win by having more fighters in the stage than U11... Maybe we'll have a fusion... or U7 winning by some kind of strategy that will not involve being stronger than Jiren... or Jiren wins. Who knows.
DBS is so unpredictable that I can't be sure about my guessings.