I’m curious. Have you ever watched the original dragon ball? Have you watched Z? There’s no way that someone who “knows” the series would come up with these conclusions you draw. To say you don’t understand what needs “fixing” in the series tells everyone that you don’t watch Super with a critical lense. Which I’m envious of since some of us are too detail oriented.ZenkaiBoosts wrote:This is to the both of youTheOtherDude wrote:lord turbo wrote:
This is my main problem with not only this episode, but DBS as a whole. If DB/Z was a 7-8 on average, DBS is a 4-5 in comparison. Its a significant drop in quality, but the problem is that I believe people like Zenkai make up a good majority of the DBS fanbase in general. The kind of people that look pass any glaring flaws and enjoy the show as is. Now there is nothing wrong with that at the surface as different people like different things and what not, but its represents an underlaying problem.
Their are pros and cons to this, the pros is for Toei and company in general. If the fans are okay with a half-effort/lazy product it means they have no problems delivering that level of work on a regular basis if they know people will eat it up without fail, the cons is that for fans that want DBS to be the best it can be will never get that kind of product because we make up the minority which means our valid criticism go unheard.
Too many people are alrite with this product and its never going to get better if you keep supporting mediocre efforts that go into it and that is what bugs me the most about not only DBS, but the fanbase in general. I should be thrilled about DBS, but it seems with each passing episodes my enthusiasm for it diminishes over a period of time to the point I'm more happy DBS is ending than continuing and that just feels wrong to me.
i agree with pretty much everything you said.
I believe a simple solution would be for the manga to take the lead and for Toei to be forced into following that. It gives a less margin of error and allows very little chance for the writers to take too much liberty. Super is a perfect example of Toei taking the lead.
I’m not completely bashing the anime. There are some things I like in the anime moreso than the manga, but overall I appreciate the manga more. Hopefully they’ll do something like that if/when it starts back up.
The manga isn't any more canon. It's written by Toyotaro who loves to constantly do his own thing (Vegetto and SSgod Vegeta not being in Toriyama's transcripts are just some examples etc)
The anime(Toei) are following Toriyama's outlines and transcripts. And even if Toei wants to make little changes, it always is approved by Toriyama first (has to be approved by Toriyama first)
If anything the anime is "more canon" because Toei themselfes just came out and said that they treat the word of Toriyama as the word of god. The anime has been more in line with Toriyama's original visions etc.
And in my personal opinion the manga is a forgettable afterthought compared to the anime. Very boring to read the manga. It's very plain. The anime is far superior at character moments, epicness, excitement, music, fights etc
This idea that the manga will "fix" everything is funny because
1. What needs "fixing?" The anime is better to many people
2. The manga will follow the same outlines that the anime hit lol. Both follow Toriyama's outlines lol
Unless Toyotaro makes drastic changes which is a possibility considering how much of a loose canon Toyotaro is, which therefore would make the manga non canon. Non canon being anything that veers away from Toriyama's transcripts that Toriyama doesn't first approve
Both dragon ball and Z were better than Super. Toei has to follow the outlines the manga gave them. Yeah they had their flaws, but overall they were great packages. Super is the only one that has not followed a manga outline, so it’s no coincidence that Super has gotten so much hate. It’s because Toei and the manga have a very vague outline to follow, but other than that it seems like they can do whatever they want. These artistic liberties that Toei make are what frustrates viewers.
Basically what you’re saying is that you don’t like to read manga because it doesn’t have music and it’s not animated. How old are you? If anyone is a loose cannon, it’s toei. It has not been a very consistent series so far.