ZenkaiBoosts wrote:Can you provide any example of something that was Toriyama-only, that was exclusive to the manga?
I most certainly could have, but
Neon Z already did it for me. Black using Super Saiyan, Fused Zamasu having a time limit, Goku and Vegeta being able to fight him as Super Saiyan Blue. It's all there in the interviews and commentaries.
ZenkaiBoosts wrote:You claim that the manga is more canon.
No, I don't. Not a single one of my posts in this thread has claimed anything like that. The anime and manga are both equally valid canon interpretations of Super, with neither being "more canon" than the other. I told you as much myself in the past.
ZenkaiBoosts wrote:You even had Toei themselfes saying that they treat the word of Toriyama as the word of god.
We've discussed this before in another thread. It's not as cut and dry as you believe it is.
ZenkaiBoosts wrote:Now you like the manga way more over the anime and thats fine. But I can respect your opinion. You dont. Thats another problem
You are not accepting of those who like Super, and who dare even have the nerve to say the anime is better. Thats an issue
I absolutely respect that opinion. It's great that people enjoy the anime as much as they do. If I took issue with everyone "who dares even have the nerve to say the anime is better", I'd die of exhaustion. Liking the anime does not bother me in the slightest and I've never criticized anyone for stating their personal opinions because it's purely a matter of taste. The only time I post to specifically call something out is to point out misinformation. Calling it out when you don't back up your "facts" with verifiable official sources does not mean I don't respect your preferences, it means I take issue with where you're getting your information from.
ZenkaiBoosts wrote:How is that a double standard?
It's a double standard because you say that having a manga bias and tearing down the anime while propping up the manga is a problem. You then go on to state your anime bias and tear down the manga while propping up the anime in the very same post. It's apparently a problem only when it's done in favor of the manga, but it's not a problem when it's down in favor of the anime. You're holding people who prefer the manga up to a different standard than yourself.
ZenkaiBoosts wrote:The vast majority of your posts are shitting on the anime (you even have it as your sig) while praising the magna.
They aren't, actually. I've even posted several comments decrying the pointlessness of the constant fighting between anime and manga fans and how it's ruining the atmosphere of the community. The comment in my sig openly says that it's okay to feel like the anime is more "fun", "epic" and "entertaining" and to find the manga boring. The point of the comment is that the manga has a more clearly-structured and concise story. That's it. I think it's ridiculous that people are fighting over which version is superior and trying to win some faux "war" instead of just following the version they like best, giving their opinions and moving on. This leads me to the next point...
ZenkaiBoosts wrote:You claim i have an anime agenda but you only ever came out to defend the manga.
The reason I mostly come out to post in regard to the manga is because it's simply the medium I prefer. It's not always praise either. I openly state my dislike of the lackluster new transformation designs, the various retcons, and my disdain for how the Future Trunks arc ended regardless of version. I've also expressed my disappointment in not getting a fleshed out Resurrection F flashback in the manga. I rarely ever post in episode discussions because I don't watch the new episodes every week. I have little of value to contribute to those conversations, so I stay out of it and leave everyone else to their own devices. If I really hated people being positive about the anime, don't you think I'd be there every week raising Cain against the people praising the episodes?
ZenkaiBoosts wrote:I'm done with this now. If you want to continue to talk anime vs manga then PM me. Is there anything you have to say about the thread title?
As you wish. I'm not going to bother you any further with this. Neither of us are getting anything of benefit out it.
For the record regarding the thread title, I feel like Vegeta is always destined to lag a step behind Goku - making strides every now and then, but always getting eclipsed in the end. If there ends up being a new series in the future, I could see Vegeta catching up to Ultra Instinct in some way and I imagine the trend between he and Goku will continue, but it could change if Toriyama/the writers wanted it to. Who knows?
The post-Super fandom has ruined my love for Dragon Ball.