Bergamo wrote:
How do you not understand that making Broly 4 and very loosely basing 1 arc of a series on journey to the west are different things?
Did you read what I wrote? I said Broly is a reimagined character just like Goku himself is a reimagined character. Goku didn’t stopped being a reimagined character after the first story arc. If anything, he’s closer to the character he’s based on these days.
And this isn’t Broly 4. That’s like me calling Batman Begins, Batman Movie 6.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Nor Toriyama or Toei cares about canon, so is not like they couldn't mess this up by having some character reminding of having fought with him in the past, so calling Broly 4 could not be wrong.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
jeffbr92 wrote:Nor Toriyama or Toei cares about canon, so is not like they couldn't mess this up by having some character reminding of having fought with him in the past, so calling Broly 4 could not be wrong.
So why didn’t they with Kale?
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
They did, Vegeta warned Goku about Kale's transformation and we know how he knows about that. They probably didn't mention Broly for merchandising issues.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
They did, Vegeta warned Goku about Kale's transformation and we know how he knows about that. They probably didn't mention Broly for merchandising issues.
All he said was’ “this maybe a Saiyan’s true self” and was shocked by how strong she was. Also Goku showed no recognition of the form despite fighting Broly.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Bergamo wrote:I don't agree with creators sacrificing quality and originality for marketability. It's still important for an new entry to enrich the lore of the series. If we have 5 more arcs that recycle villains, take place before Uub, and don't expand upon who created the super dragon balls and why, then even if they are enjoyable to watch, what does it do for the series besides make money?
Based on what we've gotten so far it seems like they're mixing new with old.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
The series' is about 4 minutes away from EOZ in the timeline, Goten and Trunks still toddlers, nothing changed despite new character design sheets etc. At this stage, it's just a joke.
jeffbr92 wrote:Nor Toriyama or Toei cares about canon, so is not like they couldn't mess this up by having some character reminding of having fought with him in the past, so calling Broly 4 could not be wrong.
Toriyama does care about canon, just not in the way you think he should. That's why he's taking Broly and making a new character out of him . One never met or fought before in the main timeline.
