Zamasu (Not Black) is very underrated...

[Bergamo]

Uh Oh, somebody didn't like the truth of the theme of Zamasu. How humans are a problem of the world and need to be eradicated.
Zamasu was right, how humans corrupt and pervert what the gods has given them. He just went about it the wrong way.

You're literally misinterpreting the show. The message of the black arc(anime) is that humans aren't perfect, but the bonds they make and the desire they have to protect each other gives them the right to exists. It's almost like people forget that Zamas was physically and Ideologically beaten by the spirit sword.

[Lord Frieza]

Uh Oh, somebody didn't like the truth of the theme of Zamasu. How humans are a problem of the world and need to be eradicated.
Zamasu was right, how humans corrupt and pervert what the gods has given them. He just went about it the wrong way.

You're literally misinterpreting the show. The message of the black arc(anime) is that humans aren't perfect, but the bonds they make and the desire they have to protect each other gives them the right to exists. It's almost like people forget that Zamas was physically and Ideologically beaten by the spirit sword.

Pretty much this.

Mortal life is not perfect but it grows an lerns over time. What Zamasu never understood was that the universe is not black and white, but shades of grey. The Black and White working togther to create a balance. One without the other is pointless. Unchecked Evil leads to destruction, uncheked Good leading to stagnation. You cannot learn to pick yourself up until you have fallen, an intelligent species cannot progress unless it makes msitakes, learns from them and grows. humans are not a problem, we just need to grow up more. If we don't we'll suffer a fate befitting a race that refused to change and grow, thats how things are. You may clam that humans suck but humans are also one of only a few species that regularly performs acts of true kindness for themselves and other species, and you cannot show empathy unless you have learned both kindness and suffer cruilty.

And thats why Zamasu lost becuase he could only see the ugliness in mortals, he got compeletly blindsided by their goodness and only succeeded in destroy the very thing he wanted to preserve while he himself feel into destructive, cruel insanity.

[Master Xar]

Uh Oh, somebody didn't like the truth of the theme of Zamasu. How humans are a problem of the world and need to be eradicated.
Zamasu was right, how humans corrupt and pervert what the gods has given them. He just went about it the wrong way.

You're literally misinterpreting the show. The message of the black arc(anime) is that humans aren't perfect, but the bonds they make and the desire they have to protect each other gives them the right to exists. It's almost like people forget that Zamas was physically and Ideologically beaten by the spirit sword.

Pretty much this.

Mortal life is not perfect but it grows an lerns over time. What Zamasu never understood was that the universe is not black and white, but shades of grey. The Black and White working togther to create a balance. One without the other is pointless. Unchecked Evil leads to destruction, uncheked Good leading to stagnation. You cannot learn to pick yourself up until you have fallen, an intelligent species cannot progress unless it makes msitakes, learns from them and grows. humans are not a problem, we just need to grow up more. If we don't we'll suffer a fate befitting a race that refused to change and grow, thats how things are. You may clam that humans suck but humans are also one of only a few species that regularly performs acts of true kindness for themselves and other species, and you cannot show empathy unless you have learned both kindness and suffer cruilty.

And thats why Zamasu lost becuase he could only see the ugliness in mortals, he got compeletly blindsided by their goodness and only succeeded in destroy the very thing he wanted to preserve while he himself feel into destructive, cruel insanity.

It’s pitiful, as I said earlier he had true potential, he just has faulty logic and bad methods. He saw too much in Black and White in his pettiness, and that while yes the Dragonball world has many flawed individuals it is normal. We aren’t a blight, everyone is imperfect including himself and that’s what he himself didn’t acknowledge and kept ignoring under his insanity, he felt that if humans and the gods weren’t perfectly in order and in line they are a problem and need to be erased if they don’t suit or build to his personal world they may as well die.

He may have some form of OCD in that case. As well with some kind of Histrionic Mental Disorder as well as some sadomasochism mixed in there.

And the dub acknowledges this that Gowasu questions that if Zamasu would have truly been happy in his new world, a misshapen, likely permanently disfigured god, floating in an empty universe for the rest of eternity?


I doubt he would be happy...

[Miracles]

You're literally misinterpreting the show. The message of the black arc(anime) is that humans aren't perfect, but the bonds they make and the desire they have to protect each other gives them the right to exists. It's almost like people forget that Zamas was physically and Ideologically beaten by the spirit sword.

No, Zamasu wasn't. Bonds don't make people right as Zamasu proved that throughout the show in their immorality.
All Trunks could say through the entire fight is the cliche "forget your justice" and "who are you to decide" and "so what if I'm a sinner."

[Lord Frieza]

You're literally misinterpreting the show. The message of the black arc(anime) is that humans aren't perfect, but the bonds they make and the desire they have to protect each other gives them the right to exists. It's almost like people forget that Zamas was physically and Ideologically beaten by the spirit sword.

Pretty much this.

Mortal life is not perfect but it grows an lerns over time. What Zamasu never understood was that the universe is not black and white, but shades of grey. The Black and White working togther to create a balance. One without the other is pointless. Unchecked Evil leads to destruction, uncheked Good leading to stagnation. You cannot learn to pick yourself up until you have fallen, an intelligent species cannot progress unless it makes msitakes, learns from them and grows. humans are not a problem, we just need to grow up more. If we don't we'll suffer a fate befitting a race that refused to change and grow, thats how things are. You may clam that humans suck but humans are also one of only a few species that regularly performs acts of true kindness for themselves and other species, and you cannot show empathy unless you have learned both kindness and suffer cruilty.

And thats why Zamasu lost becuase he could only see the ugliness in mortals, he got compeletly blindsided by their goodness and only succeeded in destroy the very thing he wanted to preserve while he himself feel into destructive, cruel insanity.

It’s pitiful, as I said earlier he had true potential, he just has faulty logic and bad methods. He saw too much in Black and White in his pettiness, and that while yes the Dragonball world has many flawed individuals it is normal. We aren’t a blight, everyone is imperfect including himself and that’s what he himself didn’t acknowledge and kept ignoring under his insanity, he felt that if humans and the gods weren’t perfectly in order and in line they are a problem and need to be erased if they don’t suit or build to his personal world they may as well die.

He may have some form of OCD in that case. As well with some kind of Histrionic Mental Disorder as well as some sadomasochism mixed in there.

And the dub acknowledges this that Gowasu questions that if Zamasu would have truly been happy in his new world, a misshapen, likely permanently disfigured god, floating in an empty universe for the rest of eternity?


I doubt he would be happy...

Indeed, he'd pretty much be in the same position Garlic Jr. found himself in, but instead if being trapped in a pocket dimension he'd have turned all of reality in a wasteland with nothing but himself. I cannot think of a worse hell to be trapped in.

Zamasu really reminds me of Light from Death Note in a lot of ways. Like our mad god, Light was someone who only saw the world in black and white. As L put it, he had a very underdeveloped sense of right and wrong despite how smart he was. He never understood the balance of reality and life, the utopia he strived for would never have been what he wanted it to and no matter ow hard he tried the world could never be his kind of perfection.

[SaiyanGod117]

Uh Oh, somebody didn't like the truth of the theme of Zamasu. How humans are a problem of the world and need to be eradicated.
Zamasu was right, how humans corrupt and pervert what the gods has given them. He just went about it the wrong way.

I don’t think that was theme at all, most of all if wasn’t for humans the Earth would have been destroyed multiple times over.

[Miracles]

Uh Oh, somebody didn't like the truth of the theme of Zamasu. How humans are a problem of the world and need to be eradicated.
Zamasu was right, how humans corrupt and pervert what the gods has given them. He just went about it the wrong way.

I don’t think that was theme at all, most of all if wasn’t for humans the Earth would have been destroyed multiple times over.

Only reason why humans have to save the world is the truth of Zamasu's words, how mortals fight each other and can't get along with what the gods has given them. Hence why the only way for peace is to wipe them out.

[Lord Frieza]

You're literally misinterpreting the show. The message of the black arc(anime) is that humans aren't perfect, but the bonds they make and the desire they have to protect each other gives them the right to exists. It's almost like people forget that Zamas was physically and Ideologically beaten by the spirit sword.

No Zamasu wasn't. Bonds don't make people right as Zamasu proved that throughout the show in their immorality. All Trunks could say through the entire fight is the cliche "forget your justice" and "who are you to decide" and "so what if I'm a sinner."

But it did in the end. If it were not for Goku's simple minded and friendly nature, he would never have formed a bond with Zen-Oh. No bond, no button.


So in this game of oneupmanship, were nones going to win becuase none will back down till everything is destroyed, Bonds of friendship trumped immortality.

[Miracles]

But it did in the end. If it were not for Goku's simple minded and friendly nature, he would never have formed a bond with Zen-Oh. No bond, no button.


So in this game of oneupmanship, were nones going to win becuase none will back down till everything is destroyed, Bonds of friendship trumped immortality.

That still doesn't debunk Zamasu's truthful gripes tho. The shounen theme of bonds doesn't answer the factual problems presented.
Naturally, the main cast will automatically win with that cliche in the fight. But the problems Zamas was speaking about will continue.

[Lord Frieza]

But it did in the end. If it were not for Goku's simple minded and friendly nature, he would never have formed a bond with Zen-Oh. No bond, no button.


So in this game of oneupmanship, were nones going to win becuase none will back down till everything is destroyed, Bonds of friendship trumped immortality.

That still doesn't debunk Zamasu's truthful gripes tho. The shounen theme of bonds doesn't answer the factual problems presented but they will automatically win only in the fight because of that.

What truth is there to Zamasu's words? The truth of someone who dosen't understand how reality works. How life works. It's the logic and truth of someone who cannot see the forest for the trees.

That conflict Zamasu talks about leads to to some of the greatest developments. The healthcare system of today is in no small part founded upon experimants done on innocent people by the Nazi's in WWII. War sees rapid development of technology that is put to good use after the wars ended. Countries and people form alliances with former enemies in the face of a greater foe. Hell on a smaller scale it is people who have never known hardship or cruilty who tend to be the most unkind. Evil is one part of reality, and it is a part that is needed for without it reality stagnates. As with Creation and Destruction, one creates balance with the other.

And what did the gods give mortals? They gave them an imperfect and harsh reality and the free will to chose to do ill to eachother. But also to learn from mistakes, for those cruel and violant people are also capable of the most sincere and pure acts of kindess also.

Simply put Zamasu was to childish to understand how reality works and tried to make it fit his simplemindednuss, and all he could do in the end was destroy and kill. In fact he never acted out of kindess, just selfishness and cruilty. No better then any selfish or cruel mortal. A total hypocrite through and through.

[supersaiyanZero]

Horribly executed. I think he was Super's biggest wasted opportunity.

[Bergamo]

You're literally misinterpreting the show. The message of the black arc(anime) is that humans aren't perfect, but the bonds they make and the desire they have to protect each other gives them the right to exists. It's almost like people forget that Zamas was physically and Ideologically beaten by the spirit sword.

No, Zamasu wasn't. Bonds don't make people right as Zamasu proved that throughout the show in their immorality.
All Trunks could say through the entire fight is the cliche "forget your justice" and "who are you to decide" and "so what if I'm a sinner."

Who is Zamas to decide? The universes literally have Gods who exist to destroy evil mortals, and he killed them. The objective measure of a universe's worth relates directly to the quality of the mortals, so killing all mortals makes the universe objectively worse.

[Miracles]

What truth is there to Zamasu's words? The truth of someone who dosen't understand how reality works. How life works. It's the logic and truth of someone who cannot see the forest for the trees.

That conflict Zamasu talks about leads to to some of the greatest developments. The healthcare system of today is in no small part founded upon experimants done on innocent people by the Nazi's in WWII. War sees rapid development of technology that is put to good use after the wars ended. Countries and people form alliances with former enemies in the face of a greater foe. Hell on a smaller scale it is people who have never known hardship or cruilty who tend to be the most unkind. Evil is one part of reality, and it is a part that is needed for without it reality stagnates. As with Creation and Destruction, one creates balance with the other.

And what did the gods give mortals? They gave them an imperfect and harsh reality and the free will to chose to do ill to eachother. But also to learn from mistakes, for those cruel and violant people are also capable of the most sincere and pure acts of kindess also.

Simply put Zamasu was to childish to understand how reality works and tried to make it fit his simplemindednuss, and all he could do in the end was destroy and kill. In fact he never acted out of kindess, just selfishness and cruilty. No better then any selfish or cruel mortal. A total hypocrite through and through.

We already know Zamasu was just like the evil ningen he railed against. However, the gullible "conflict allows us to gain" idea was already debunked by Zamasu.
When he said the fact that their gain doesn't stop them from conflicting. Humans keep repeating this futile cycle over and over.

Who is Zamas to decide? The universes literally have Gods who exist to destroy evil mortals, and he killed them. The objective measure of a universe's worth relates directly to the quality of the mortals, so killing all mortals makes the universe objectively worse.

It's the degenerate mortals who brought the value down, Zamas was going to remove that and the stock goes up.

[Bergamo]

What truth is there to Zamasu's words? The truth of someone who dosen't understand how reality works. How life works. It's the logic and truth of someone who cannot see the forest for the trees.

That conflict Zamasu talks about leads to to some of the greatest developments. The healthcare system of today is in no small part founded upon experimants done on innocent people by the Nazi's in WWII. War sees rapid development of technology that is put to good use after the wars ended. Countries and people form alliances with former enemies in the face of a greater foe. Hell on a smaller scale it is people who have never known hardship or cruilty who tend to be the most unkind. Evil is one part of reality, and it is a part that is needed for without it reality stagnates. As with Creation and Destruction, one creates balance with the other.

And what did the gods give mortals? They gave them an imperfect and harsh reality and the free will to chose to do ill to eachother. But also to learn from mistakes, for those cruel and violant people are also capable of the most sincere and pure acts of kindess also.

Simply put Zamasu was to childish to understand how reality works and tried to make it fit his simplemindednuss, and all he could do in the end was destroy and kill. In fact he never acted out of kindess, just selfishness and cruilty. No better then any selfish or cruel mortal. A total hypocrite through and through.

We already know Zamasu was just like the evil ningen he railed against. However, the gullible "conflict allows us to gain" idea was already debunked by Zamasu.
When he said the fact that their gain doesn't stop them from conflicting. Humans keep repeating this futile cycle over and over.

Who is Zamas to decide? The universes literally have Gods who exist to destroy evil mortals, and he killed them. The objective measure of a universe's worth relates directly to the quality of the mortals, so killing all mortals makes the universe objectively worse.

It's the degenerate mortals who brought the value down, Zamas was going to remove that and the stock goes up.

0 mortals = 0 mortal level
Also, Zeno agrees that the Hakaishin/Kaioshin system works the best, and Zamas dismantled that. Zeno is the Lord of everything. There are many gods, but Zeno is THE GOD.
"Defying God is sin itself"
Who said that again, remind me. Couldn't be Zamas, because he killed the gods and had to be punished by God for his defiance.

[Cipher]

Zamasu is fun. In the anime, I like him more in the second half of the arc when he really gets to ham it up. He makes a good mustache-twirling villain once he's gone all in.

Everything touched on in the opening post is actually why I like the manga's take on both Black and Zamasu as much as, if not more, than their more in-control demeanor in the anime. Zamasu is a punk who's way out of league. And by the time he's able to even consider he might have gone down the wrong path, he's way too far in to turn back. Appropriately, the manga's Black and Zamasu are at odds; they're flappable. They don't even have a good contingency for what to do if things start to go wrong.

[Master Xar]

Pretty much this.

Mortal life is not perfect but it grows an lerns over time. What Zamasu never understood was that the universe is not black and white, but shades of grey. The Black and White working togther to create a balance. One without the other is pointless. Unchecked Evil leads to destruction, uncheked Good leading to stagnation. You cannot learn to pick yourself up until you have fallen, an intelligent species cannot progress unless it makes msitakes, learns from them and grows. humans are not a problem, we just need to grow up more. If we don't we'll suffer a fate befitting a race that refused to change and grow, thats how things are. You may clam that humans suck but humans are also one of only a few species that regularly performs acts of true kindness for themselves and other species, and you cannot show empathy unless you have learned both kindness and suffer cruilty.

And thats why Zamasu lost becuase he could only see the ugliness in mortals, he got compeletly blindsided by their goodness and only succeeded in destroy the very thing he wanted to preserve while he himself feel into destructive, cruel insanity.

It’s pitiful, as I said earlier he had true potential, he just has faulty logic and bad methods. He saw too much in Black and White in his pettiness, and that while yes the Dragonball world has many flawed individuals it is normal. We aren’t a blight, everyone is imperfect including himself and that’s what he himself didn’t acknowledge and kept ignoring under his insanity, he felt that if humans and the gods weren’t perfectly in order and in line they are a problem and need to be erased if they don’t suit or build to his personal world they may as well die.

He may have some form of OCD in that case. As well with some kind of Histrionic Mental Disorder as well as some sadomasochism mixed in there.

And the dub acknowledges this that Gowasu questions that if Zamasu would have truly been happy in his new world, a misshapen, likely permanently disfigured god, floating in an empty universe for the rest of eternity?


I doubt he would be happy...

Indeed, he'd pretty much be in the same position Garlic Jr. found himself in, but instead if being trapped in a pocket dimension he'd have turned all of reality in a wasteland with nothing but himself. I cannot think of a worse hell to be trapped in.

Zamasu really reminds me of Light from Death Note in a lot of ways. Like our mad god, Light was someone who only saw the world in black and white. As L put it, he had a very underdeveloped sense of right and wrong despite how smart he was. He never understood the balance of reality and life, the utopia he strived for would never have been what he wanted it to and no matter ow hard he tried the world could never be his kind of perfection.

I also often compare them to.

(Spoilers from Yakuza 3 and Persona 4)
[spoiler]Yoshitaka Mine (Yakuza 3) and Tohru Adachi (Persona 4)[/spoiler] and Jiren

The one from Yakuza 3 having the warped thought and logic from his life as an orphan and the pursuit of money as an entrepreneur to try to attain and gain people’s respect and liking only to notice its all fake and surface level.
Losing and causing him to question if bonds and loyalty truly exist. His methods and pursuit to find the answer as with any bonds he does attain he completely destroys from his lack of understanding of people and his personality not being able to hold people’s interest and his mental health issues from a life of loneliness, brooding, and fake bonds. Though he lacks the arrogance and god complex as Zamasu and Light so he is more grounded in his sanity than the other 2, he lacks understanding of right and wrong just as much though as he is willing to kill.

He shares the same pursuit of attaining a high amount of something in the form of money like Jiren has strength. He has uses that high amount of something to do horrible actions like taking down an orphanage

He is one of two of the most sympathetic as he is by far the least warped and insane out of the 5 right alongside Jiren and doesn’t hold himself as being above anyone. He is just a lonely, depressed, hard-working man looking for happiness and bonds in a world that just keeps fucking with him his methods are the least grand and destructive to the masses, but only because his power is far more limited than the other 5. He has a lot of talent and potential like the other 5. By the end he realizes his error and tries to make up for it with his own life.


Persona 4 has a serial killer suffering from a life of boredom, monotony. Unlike a lot of the others he has a rather normal and outwardly unstoic personality similar to Light. He has more in common with the real life shooter Elliot Rodger in that he is an a mentally ill incel. Though he is by far the most psychopathic and unsympathetic, his disbelief in bonds and people being far more an excuse if anything, he has doubt in his actual belief, he even tries to rape his victims, his “justice” you can more attribute as an excuse to cause havoc and mayhem unlike truly believing it like Zamasu or Light. Even when the heroes confront and counter his ideology he quickly falls into hysterics and madness.

Throughout the story, like Light, he sees his part to play along with the others as a game. Like Light he is the culprit in the mystery of a serial killer case. Like Light one day he is given mysterious powers that allow him to “play god” and reek havoc and cause panic, his powers causing the heroes investigating him to question how he is killing them. He is far more sloppy and uncoordinated than Light, he only lasts a year while Light survives several. Though he has far more circumstances working in his favor and works with a less experienced group of investigators in the form of teenagers unlike Light who has to deal with professionals.
His range and scope is also far less as where Light is facing the entire world, he is only in a small town watching the chaos unfold and ruin the world from then on.

He by far is the most childish and holds less knowledge and defenses on his forsakening of bonds. He is quite petty in that he only does this for selfishness and entertainment as he says in his initial uncovering as he drops his initial personality and reveals his ugly, disgusting personality, that he only does this because it’s all for fun for him.

I won’t reveal too much as that would spoil the game, but he has even more in common/contrast with the other 5.


Jiren has a lot in common with (Yakuza 3) as I mention earlier. Both incredibly depressed and have outwardly stoic and stilted personalities that drives others away from them. Jiren initially hating his one attainable goal in his strength, while (Yakuza 3) lost his pursuit and goal to attain money, even growing to hate it eventually. Jiren is antagonistic and comfortable with how he views his strength and lack of bonds until it finally works against him in the TOP where (Yakuza 3) develops and slowly realizes his flawed ways and actively seeks bonds in any form, whether if they were even good people or not and that being in joining a criminal organization even when he has all the money in the world. His money only bringing fake relationships and respect that he only actively seeks. He then gives up and only seeks more power and money not thinking clearly if it’d even making him happy and not caring that his relationships are fake eventually in desperation. The cruel acts he does with his money either are just because it’s his job or to find his

Jiren is on the complete opposite side where he is a Pride Trooper and on the side of Justice. His strength giving him plenty of opportunities in bonds in the other Pride Troopers, but his disbelief in it and his hostile, cruel personality not letting him attain what he truly needed in the longrun. He is selfish in that he tries to attain his wish by any means, letting his teammates fall out of the ring, and only joining in when he wants. He uses his strength to dominate and slowly torment others instead of getting it over with. Not knowing he is retroactively doing the same thing the evildoer had done to him.

When confronted of his ideology he tries to kill a whole stand of people just to prove a point. He is a hypocrite in that he criticizes others for arrogance and abandoning their pride when he himself is no different or has done the same in some point or another.


What lost souls. Pitiful and warped souls. All the talent and potential they possess all soured from their warped minds and personalities, their worlds and goals they try to attain they’d either immediately regret or were unattainable in the first place, people that have no good sense of right and wrong and had lost their way of life somewhere down the line. These are my favorite antagonists/villains because they are so pitiable and that you can view them as truly successful and/or strong people with true happiness if they didn’t step off their path and found the truth they were looking for by connecting with people.

A damn shame ...

[Lord Frieza]

What truth is there to Zamasu's words? The truth of someone who dosen't understand how reality works. How life works. It's the logic and truth of someone who cannot see the forest for the trees.

That conflict Zamasu talks about leads to to some of the greatest developments. The healthcare system of today is in no small part founded upon experimants done on innocent people by the Nazi's in WWII. War sees rapid development of technology that is put to good use after the wars ended. Countries and people form alliances with former enemies in the face of a greater foe. Hell on a smaller scale it is people who have never known hardship or cruilty who tend to be the most unkind. Evil is one part of reality, and it is a part that is needed for without it reality stagnates. As with Creation and Destruction, one creates balance with the other.

And what did the gods give mortals? They gave them an imperfect and harsh reality and the free will to chose to do ill to eachother. But also to learn from mistakes, for those cruel and violant people are also capable of the most sincere and pure acts of kindess also.

Simply put Zamasu was to childish to understand how reality works and tried to make it fit his simplemindednuss, and all he could do in the end was destroy and kill. In fact he never acted out of kindess, just selfishness and cruilty. No better then any selfish or cruel mortal. A total hypocrite through and through.

We already know Zamasu was just like the evil ningen he railed against. However, the gullible "conflict allows us to gain" idea was already debunked by Zamasu.
When he said the fact that their gain doesn't stop them from conflicting. Humans keep repeating this futile cycle over and over.

So what your telling me is that because every aspect of life itself is founded on or around conflict, down to evolution itself, is wrong? No, because without that conflict life dose not exist. It’s inevitable to occur on some level at any point. It’s s part of the natural order and in reality the greater aspect of it is beyond such simplistic ideals. And it will always faulted and restart as life dose. Even the gods of the dragon ball universe all go through there own developments and conflicts.

The middle point of creation & destruction, of life & death, of good & evil is conflict. It is the hub of the wheel, the key cog that turns the whole machine. It is from this that possibility springs.

And what’s the alternative? Nothing or as close to nothing as you can get. A stagnant universe were nothing grows, nothing changes, nothing is new, nothing is learned. Is reality and the beings in it flawed, yes is the cycle of conflict endless, yes. But it is always better then what lies on the extreme ends of conflict. Zamasu would have found that out the hard way had he succeeded.

It’s pitiful, as I said earlier he had true potential, he just has faulty logic and bad methods. He saw too much in Black and White in his pettiness, and that while yes the Dragonball world has many flawed individuals it is normal. We aren’t a blight, everyone is imperfect including himself and that’s what he himself didn’t acknowledge and kept ignoring under his insanity, he felt that if humans and the gods weren’t perfectly in order and in line they are a problem and need to be erased if they don’t suit or build to his personal world they may as well die.

He may have some form of OCD in that case. As well with some kind of Histrionic Mental Disorder as well as some sadomasochism mixed in there.

And the dub acknowledges this that Gowasu questions that if Zamasu would have truly been happy in his new world, a misshapen, likely permanently disfigured god, floating in an empty universe for the rest of eternity?


I doubt he would be happy...

Indeed, he'd pretty much be in the same position Garlic Jr. found himself in, but instead if being trapped in a pocket dimension he'd have turned all of reality in a wasteland with nothing but himself. I cannot think of a worse hell to be trapped in.

Zamasu really reminds me of Light from Death Note in a lot of ways. Like our mad god, Light was someone who only saw the world in black and white. As L put it, he had a very underdeveloped sense of right and wrong despite how smart he was. He never understood the balance of reality and life, the utopia he strived for would never have been what he wanted it to and no matter ow hard he tried the world could never be his kind of perfection.

I also often compare them to.

(Spoilers from Yakuza 3 and Persona 4)
[spoiler]Yoshitaka Mine (Yakuza 3) and Tohru Adachi (Persona 4)[/spoiler] and Jiren

The one from Yakuza 3 having the warped thought and logic from his life as an orphan and the pursuit of money as an entrepreneur to try to attain and gain people’s respect and liking only to notice its all fake and surface level.
Losing and causing him to question if bonds and loyalty truly exist. His methods and pursuit to find the answer as with any bonds he does attain he completely destroys from his lack of understanding of people and his personality not being able to hold people’s interest and his mental health issues from a life of loneliness, brooding, and fake bonds. Though he lacks the arrogance and god complex as Zamasu and Light so he is more grounded in his sanity than the other 2, he lacks understanding of right and wrong just as much though as he is willing to kill.

He shares the same pursuit of attaining a high amount of something in the form of money like Jiren has strength. He has uses that high amount of something to do horrible actions like taking down an orphanage

He is one of two of the most sympathetic as he is by far the least warped and insane out of the 5 right alongside Jiren and doesn’t hold himself as being above anyone. He is just a lonely, depressed, hard-working man looking for happiness and bonds in a world that just keeps fucking with him his methods are the least grand and destructive to the masses, but only because his power is far more limited than the other 5. He has a lot of talent and potential like the other 5. By the end he realizes his error and tries to make up for it with his own life.


Persona 4 has a serial killer suffering from a life of boredom, monotony. Unlike a lot of the others he has a rather normal and outwardly unstoic personality similar to Light. He has more in common with the real life shooter Elliot Rodger in that he is an a mentally ill incel. Though he is by far the most psychopathic and unsympathetic, his disbelief in bonds and people being far more an excuse if anything, he has doubt in his actual belief, he even tries to rape his victims, his “justice” you can more attribute as an excuse to cause havoc and mayhem unlike truly believing it like Zamasu or Light. Even when the heroes confront and counter his ideology he quickly falls into hysterics and madness.

Throughout the story, like Light, he sees his part to play along with the others as a game. Like Light he is the culprit in the mystery of a serial killer case. Like Light one day he is given mysterious powers that allow him to “play god” and reek havoc and cause panic, his powers causing the heroes investigating him to question how he is killing them. He is far more sloppy and uncoordinated than Light, he only lasts a year while Light survives several. Though he has far more circumstances working in his favor and works with a less experienced group of investigators in the form of teenagers unlike Light who has to deal with professionals.
His range and scope is also far less as where Light is facing the entire world, he is only in a small town watching the chaos unfold and ruin the world from then on.

He by far is the most childish and holds less knowledge and defenses on his forsakening of bonds. He is quite petty in that he only does this for selfishness and entertainment as he says in his initial uncovering as he drops his initial personality and reveals his ugly, disgusting personality, that he only does this because it’s all for fun for him.

I won’t reveal too much as that would spoil the game, but he has even more in common/contrast with the other 5.


Jiren has a lot in common with (Yakuza 3) as I mention earlier. Both incredibly depressed and have outwardly stoic and stilted personalities that drives others away from them. Jiren initially hating his one attainable goal in his strength, while (Yakuza 3) lost his pursuit and goal to attain money, even growing to hate it eventually. Jiren is antagonistic and comfortable with how he views his strength and lack of bonds until it finally works against him in the TOP where (Yakuza 3) develops and slowly realizes his flawed ways and actively seeks bonds in any form, whether if they were even good people or not and that being in joining a criminal organization even when he has all the money in the world. His money only bringing fake relationships and respect that he only actively seeks. He then gives up and only seeks more power and money not thinking clearly if it’d even making him happy and not caring that his relationships are fake eventually in desperation. The cruel acts he does with his money either are just because it’s his job or to find his

Jiren is on the complete opposite side where he is a Pride Trooper and on the side of Justice. His strength giving him plenty of opportunities in bonds in the other Pride Troopers, but his disbelief in it and his hostile, cruel personality not letting him attain what he truly needed in the longrun. He is selfish in that he tries to attain his wish by any means, letting his teammates fall out of the ring, and only joining in when he wants. He uses his strength to dominate and slowly torment others instead of getting it over with. Not knowing he is retroactively doing the same thing the evildoer had done to him.

When confronted of his ideology he tries to kill a whole stand of people just to prove a point. He is a hypocrite in that he criticizes others for arrogance and abandoning their pride when he himself is no different or has done the same in some point or another.


What lost souls. Pitiful and warped souls. All the talent and potential they possess all soured from their warped minds and personalities, their worlds and goals they try to attain they’d either immediately regret or were unattainable in the first place, people that have no good sense of right and wrong and had lost their way of life somewhere down the line. These are my favorite antagonists/villains because they are so pitiable and that you can view them as truly successful and/or strong people with true happiness if they didn’t step off their path and found the truth they were looking for by connecting with people.

A damn shame ...

Another being that comes to mind is Sutekh the Destroyer, Last of the Osirens.

He was the post powerful of his god like race and sought to end all existence out of fear and paranoia. That one day something would challenge him, in fact in his madness he revels in being anti-existence.

"Evil? Your evil is my good. I'm Sutekh the Destroyer. Where I tread, I leave nothing but dust and darkness. I find that good."


"The only song that is eternal is silence. What pains me the most about music is it sounds so...alive. It mimics the incessant writhing of the foundations of matter. All those patterns and repeated motifs and variations. The endless, pointless spiral of possibility. I want the shifting, microcosmic squirm of the quantum stuff that you are made of to stop. To be inert. I want possibility itself to be impotent powder. No more songs. Be still now. As ash. As dust."

[SupremeKai25]

Also, Zeno agrees that the Hakaishin/Kaioshin system works the best,

Zeno? You mean the child who erased 6 universes because he was bored? Yeah, I would gladly take Zamasu over Zeno as Omni-King. At least Zamasu actually cares about the cosmos' best interests.

Who is Zamas to decide? The universes literally have Gods who exist to destroy evil mortals, and he killed them

Except that those Gods were incompetent. Shin and Beerus are gullible fools, especially Beerus who let Frieza ruin the universe with his empire of slavery and cruelty. Roh is clearly an incompetent Supreme Kai who lacks altruism and wisdom, and Sidra is an incompetent buffoon who doesn't want to destroy even though he is a God of Destruction. And then there is Gowasu, who would turn a blind eye to genocide if it meant that he had to actually step in and take actions.

The laws of the Kais are flawed. Watching and doing nothing when you have the power to stop evil is sin.

Those failures, alone, are enough to justify taking actions against incompetent Gods who have forsaken their duties. In addition, the other Gods who created the cosmos were foolish, and gave too much power to mortals. Thus, mortals grew beyond their control. And if one cannot control the world, one cannot be called a God.

"Defying God is sin itself"
Who said that again, remind me. Couldn't be Zamas, because he killed the gods and had to be punished by God for his defiance.

Also, Zeno didn't erase Zamasu because he turned against the other Gods. He erased Zamasu because he found his laugh to be annoying. If you hadn't noticed, Zeno is a stupid child.

So what your telling me is that because every aspect of life itself is founded on or around conflict, down to evolution itself, is wrong? No, because without that conflict life dose not exist. It’s inevitable to occur on some level at any point. It’s s part of the natural order and in reality the greater aspect of it is beyond such simplistic ideals. And it will always faulted and restart as life dose.

After those conflicts, it is also natural to learn from your mistakes and build a better world upon them. Something that the savage Babarian didn't do. Wars for a thousand years, and all they could learn was build some tents and light a campfire. Hopeless fools who threw away divine wisdom and life senselessly. And Zamasu witnessed many other examples like Planet Babari.

Clearly, something went wrong. Maybe the Babari and other mortal species were not given enough intelligence or wisdom. But the fact remains that they were like a malfucintioning creation, and thus they had to be fixed somehow. And seeing as they even had the guts to assault their makers, Zamasu couldn't spare them.

You talk as if mortals were necessary to the Dragon Ball cosmos and should be kept around at all costs. But that is not the case. A cosmos with no mortals would be boring, but it is undeniable that it would be a cosmos where no war and no chaos happen.

Even the gods of the dragon ball universe all go through there own developments and conflicts.

Petty conflicts that distracted them from overseeing the multiverse. Another reason why Zamasu decided to take them down. Another reason why Zamasu claimed that there was no longer a need for squabbling Supreme Kais and Gods of Destruction. Only the God Zamasu, the Supreme God, would rule the multiverse. A centralized authority, not restrained by internal conflicts (just look at Shin and Beerus who can rarely put aside their differences and cooperate).

A stagnant universe were nothing grows, nothing changes, nothing is new, nothing is learned.

This implies that Zamasu wouldn't nurture new life in the new cosmos. But he would. Zamasu was a Supreme Kai, creating life was his job, and indeed we saw him create a sentient being with the divine Absolute Lightning. He would populate his new "cleaned" cosmos with new species. Mortal species? Perhaps, but he would make sure to give these new species the wisdom and intelligence to create splendid societies, but no strength, so that they could no longer rise against the Gods like many mortal species, especially the Saiyans, of the old world did.

And Zamasu would watch over them from the heavens as the ultimate Supreme God of the cosmos.

Though he is by far the most psychopathic and unsympathetic, his disbelief in bonds and people being far more an excuse if anything, he has doubt in his actual belief, he even tries to rape his victims, his “justice” you can more attribute as an excuse to cause havoc and mayhem unlike truly believing it like Zamasu or Light. Even when the heroes confront and counter his ideology he quickly falls into hysterics and madness.

But Zamasu truly cared about his ideals. It was not just an excuse to kill innocents and cause destruction. It is clear that he was convinced that his radical actions where necessary for the cosmos' well-being when he cried after he claimed that he was acting for justice and for the cosmos' best interests.

The point is that Zamasu had always believed that Gods were superior in every way to mortals. You know, AS IT SHOULD BE. But then, why did Gods and mortals share similiar forms? Why could mortals defy Gods and get away with it? How could mere mortals damage the very body of the Supreme God? Why was he losing to a mere fused mortal? He couldn't understand why. But he still believed that he was righteous.

Uh Oh, somebody didn't like the truth of the theme of Zamasu. How humans are a problem of the world and need to be eradicated.
Zamasu was right, how humans corrupt and pervert what the gods has given them. He just went about it the wrong way.

Exactly! Put yourself in a Kai's role. You gave these mortals wisdom and intelligence, and they used them only to kill each other. Even after a thousand years, they learned nothing from their mistakes, and continued their meaningless cycle of war and destruction. You would be bothered, wouldn't you, that these beings keep throwing away divine gifts for petty violence, wouldn't you?

I am surprised that Gowasu was angry that Zamasu killed that Babarian. Hello? Why don't we talk about what that Babarian was trying to do? He was trying to assault both Gowasu and Zamasu, and Gowasu clearely had an expression of fear in his face. If Zamasu hadn't stopped that Babarian in time, Gowasu could have been hurt greatly, if not killed.

I agree with you that Zamasu acted in the wrong way while executing the Project Zero Mortals. In fact, I never said that Zamasu was a good guy. But I believe that his fears and disgust towards mortals were justified. Especially since he saw countless other examples like Planet Babari. You can blame Zamasu for not being a lazy fool like the other Gods, who were satisfied with "ruling" a tainted and flawed cosmos.

[Kataphrut]

I think Fused Zamasu is the best version. I see Zamasu as being like the Dragon Ball equivalent of Kylo Ren, and that doesn't really work for Goku Black because he feels too cool and competent. And Future Zamasu ends up being a lackey without the same motivation that present Zamasu had.

Fused Zamasu brings it all together. He's powerful and dangerous, but also so full of himself it's satisfying when he gets taken down a peg.

[Vegeta_Sama]

People who defend Zamasu's motivations sound like angry edgelords mad at the world, it's pretty ridiculous.