Why do people feel Beerus/Whis remove any tension from threats against Earth?

[Lord Beerus]

Beerus only showed fear to Zenoh.

You missed some news mate. It's already confirmed.

Where?

Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.

[Miracles]

You missed some news mate. It's already confirmed.

Where?

Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.

Yeah...I thought so.

[Zamasu55]

You missed some news mate. It's already confirmed.

Where?

Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.

Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.
https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/08/06/ ... struction/

[Lord Beerus]

Where?

Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.

Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.
https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/08/06/ ... struction/

It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.

[Zamasu55]

Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.

Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.
https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/08/06/ ... struction/

It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.

But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?

[Lord Beerus]

Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.
https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/08/06/ ... struction/

It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.

But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?

It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.

So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It seems like Beerus is in a special tier where he's weaker than the Angels/Grand Priest, but constantly above everyone less than that.

[Zamasu55]

It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.

But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?

It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.

So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.

Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.

Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.

Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.

Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?

It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.

So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.

Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.

Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.

Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.

Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.

Winning an arm wrestling match means nothing considering:

1. We don't know the circumstances of the arm wrestling match. (When it took place, how it lasted for, was it serious or for shits and giggles)
2. It only happened once.
3. Winning an arm wrestling isn't solely dependent on strength.

And it not implied that all of the Hakaishin are similar in strength in any medium of Super. The Hakaishin battle royal was too short and inconclusive to have any kind of grasp of who was stronger than who and by how much.

[ekrolo2]

It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.

So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.

Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.

Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.

Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.

Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.

Winning an arm wrestling match means nothing considering:

1. We don't know the circumstances of the arm wrestling match. (When it took place, how it lasted for, was it serious or for shits and giggles)
2. It only happened once.
3. Winning an arm wrestling isn't solely dependent on strength.

And it not implied that all of the Hakaishin are similar in strength in any medium of Super. The Hakaishin battle royal was too short and inconclusive to have any kind of grasp of who was stronger than who and by how much.

The manga basically confirms that Hakaishin are a general range of power, not a strict level they all adheer to going by Beerus' statement that Complete Blue Vegeta would be considered a good candidate for one in another universe.

[Lord Beerus]

Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.

Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.

Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.

Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.

Winning an arm wrestling match means nothing considering:

1. We don't know the circumstances of the arm wrestling match. (When it took place, how long it lasted for, was it serious or for shits and giggles)
2. It only happened once.
3. Winning an arm wrestling isn't solely dependent on strength.

And it not implied that all of the Hakaishin are similar in strength in any medium of Super. The Hakaishin battle royal was too short and inconclusive to have any kind of grasp of who was stronger than who and by how much.

The manga basically confirms that Hakaishin are a general range of power, not a strict level they all adheer to going by Beerus' statement that Complete Blue Vegeta would be considered a good candidate for one in another universe.

Good point. The anime also suggestively dips its toe into this concept when Goku becomes a SSJB in Episode 81 against Bergamo and Sidra remarks how Goku has a "power that rivals the Gods."

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Arack says Super Saiyan God Goku and Godly enhanced Toppo were clashing at the level of the Gods, too.

[Miracles]

Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.

Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.
https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/08/06/ ... struction/

It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.

Exactly. They kep talking about how bad Super's writing is but can't even keep up with the story about Goku and Beerus have a prophetic showdown.

[Zamasu55]

Arack says Super Saiyan God Goku and Godly enhanced Toppo were clashing at the level of the Gods, too.

The manga is a completely different thing. It does not count here.

[PFM18]

It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.

But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?

It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.

So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.

If Beerus was weaker than Jiren then it would lose all emotional weight. He is supposed to be hyped up as the biggest and baddest foe they have ever faced, Whether it be blinking away SSBKKx20 or the Spirit Bomb being the strongest was his thing. It was stated in V jump that Goku's 3rd UI Omen may be stronger than Beerus and we clearly saw that Jiren was stronger than UI Omen. Also, we have Jiren>Belmod>Beerus and what not.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Arack says Super Saiyan God Goku and Godly enhanced Toppo were clashing at the level of the Gods, too.

The manga is a completely different thing. It does not count here.

I only posted Arack's statement to show it was similar to what Ro said in the Anime about Blue Goku. I know both stories are different.

[Miracles]

But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?

It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.

So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.

If Beerus was weaker than Jiren then it would lose all emotional weight. He is supposed to be hyped up as the biggest and baddest foe they have ever faced, Whether it be blinking away SSBKKx20 or the Spirit Bomb being the strongest was his thing. It was stated in V jump that Goku's 3rd UI Omen may be stronger than Beerus and we clearly saw that Jiren was stronger than UI Omen. Also, we have Jiren>Belmod>Beerus and what not.

We don't. Belmond being stronger than Beerus isn't an issue ever. Cause the fandom that pushes this seems to ignore Whis didn't know which god or mortal then and Beerus shooting Whis down about only losing once in arm wrestling his whole career was general statements. After that the convo ended. Come on we should be past this basic reading by now.

[shadd21]

Since Champa has been shown once in the manga and twice in the anime to fight evenly with Beerus, does that mean he's stronger than Belmond and by extension, Jiren? Honestly, you guys are overestimating how strong Beerus is in relation to the other gods.