Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.Miracles wrote:Where?Zamasu55 wrote:You missed some news mate. It's already confirmed.Miracles wrote:
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Why do people feel Beerus/Whis remove any tension from threats against Earth?
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Yeah...I thought so.Lord Beerus wrote:Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.Miracles wrote:Where?Zamasu55 wrote: You missed some news mate. It's already confirmed.
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Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.Lord Beerus wrote:Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.Miracles wrote:Where?Zamasu55 wrote: You missed some news mate. It's already confirmed.
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It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.Zamasu55 wrote:Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.Lord Beerus wrote:Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.Miracles wrote: Where?
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But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?Lord Beerus wrote:It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.Zamasu55 wrote:Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.Lord Beerus wrote: Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.
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It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.Zamasu55 wrote:But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?Lord Beerus wrote:It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.Zamasu55 wrote: Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.
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So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.
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It seems like Beerus is in a special tier where he's weaker than the Angels/Grand Priest, but constantly above everyone less than that.
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Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.Lord Beerus wrote:It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.Zamasu55 wrote:But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?Lord Beerus wrote: It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.
So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.
Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.
Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.
Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.
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Winning an arm wrestling match means nothing considering:Zamasu55 wrote:Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.Lord Beerus wrote:It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.Zamasu55 wrote: But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?
So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.
Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.
Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.
Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.
1. We don't know the circumstances of the arm wrestling match. (When it took place, how it lasted for, was it serious or for shits and giggles)
2. It only happened once.
3. Winning an arm wrestling isn't solely dependent on strength.
And it not implied that all of the Hakaishin are similar in strength in any medium of Super. The Hakaishin battle royal was too short and inconclusive to have any kind of grasp of who was stronger than who and by how much.
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The manga basically confirms that Hakaishin are a general range of power, not a strict level they all adheer to going by Beerus' statement that Complete Blue Vegeta would be considered a good candidate for one in another universe.Lord Beerus wrote:Winning an arm wrestling match means nothing considering:Zamasu55 wrote:Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.Lord Beerus wrote: It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.
So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.
Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.
Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.
Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.
1. We don't know the circumstances of the arm wrestling match. (When it took place, how it lasted for, was it serious or for shits and giggles)
2. It only happened once.
3. Winning an arm wrestling isn't solely dependent on strength.
And it not implied that all of the Hakaishin are similar in strength in any medium of Super. The Hakaishin battle royal was too short and inconclusive to have any kind of grasp of who was stronger than who and by how much.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
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Re: Why do people feel Beerus/Whis remove any tension from threats against Earth?
Good point. The anime also suggestively dips its toe into this concept when Goku becomes a SSJB in Episode 81 against Bergamo and Sidra remarks how Goku has a "power that rivals the Gods."ekrolo2 wrote:The manga basically confirms that Hakaishin are a general range of power, not a strict level they all adheer to going by Beerus' statement that Complete Blue Vegeta would be considered a good candidate for one in another universe.Lord Beerus wrote:Winning an arm wrestling match means nothing considering:Zamasu55 wrote: Beerus lost the arm wrestling match with Belmod in the anime. Whis confirmed that Jiren was the mortal stronger than his own God of Destruct back in ep.110. And that was a very suppressed Jiren.
Plus, the Hakaishins are all similar in power, we pretty much saw that when Liquir, Iwne and Arack fought, as nobody prevailed.
Also, Belmod said that Hakaishin Toppo's power was no different than that of the other Gods, and he's nowhere near Full Power Jiren.
Yes, Beerus is no match for Broly and Jiren. And probably even SsjBE Vegeta.
1. We don't know the circumstances of the arm wrestling match. (When it took place, how long it lasted for, was it serious or for shits and giggles)
2. It only happened once.
3. Winning an arm wrestling isn't solely dependent on strength.
And it not implied that all of the Hakaishin are similar in strength in any medium of Super. The Hakaishin battle royal was too short and inconclusive to have any kind of grasp of who was stronger than who and by how much.
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Arack says Super Saiyan God Goku and Godly enhanced Toppo were clashing at the level of the Gods, too.
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Exactly. They kep talking about how bad Super's writing is but can't even keep up with the story about Goku and Beerus have a prophetic showdown.Lord Beerus wrote:It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.Zamasu55 wrote:Broly is the strongest foe Goku and Vegeta ever fought (so stronger than Jiren) and his power goes beyond that of a God of Destruction.Lord Beerus wrote: Nowhere. It hasn't be confirmed anywhere, as far as I know.
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The manga is a completely different thing. It does not count here.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Arack says Super Saiyan God Goku and Godly enhanced Toppo were clashing at the level of the Gods, too.
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If Beerus was weaker than Jiren then it would lose all emotional weight. He is supposed to be hyped up as the biggest and baddest foe they have ever faced, Whether it be blinking away SSBKKx20 or the Spirit Bomb being the strongest was his thing. It was stated in V jump that Goku's 3rd UI Omen may be stronger than Beerus and we clearly saw that Jiren was stronger than UI Omen. Also, we have Jiren>Belmod>Beerus and what not.Lord Beerus wrote:It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.Zamasu55 wrote:But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?Lord Beerus wrote: It's questioned whether his power greater than a Hakiashin. Not outright stated to be.
So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.
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I only posted Arack's statement to show it was similar to what Ro said in the Anime about Blue Goku. I know both stories are different.Zamasu55 wrote:The manga is a completely different thing. It does not count here.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Arack says Super Saiyan God Goku and Godly enhanced Toppo were clashing at the level of the Gods, too.
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We don't. Belmond being stronger than Beerus isn't an issue ever. Cause the fandom that pushes this seems to ignore Whis didn't know which god or mortal then and Beerus shooting Whis down about only losing once in arm wrestling his whole career was general statements. After that the convo ended. Come on we should be past this basic reading by now.PFM18 wrote:If Beerus was weaker than Jiren then it would lose all emotional weight. He is supposed to be hyped up as the biggest and baddest foe they have ever faced, Whether it be blinking away SSBKKx20 or the Spirit Bomb being the strongest was his thing. It was stated in V jump that Goku's 3rd UI Omen may be stronger than Beerus and we clearly saw that Jiren was stronger than UI Omen. Also, we have Jiren>Belmod>Beerus and what not.Lord Beerus wrote:It's never confirmed anywhere that Jiren is stronger than Beerus. We know that Jiren is stronger than Belmod, but how powerful Belmod is compared to Beerus is never made clear. Or for a matter of fact, how strong all of the Hakaishin in the 12 universes are compared to one another.Zamasu55 wrote: But he was still confirmed to be the strongest foe Goku ever met. So Broly > Jiren, and we all agree that the Pride Trooper is much stronger than Beerus, right?
So we can't truthfully deduce that Jiren > Belmod means Jiren > Beerus.
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Since Champa has been shown once in the manga and twice in the anime to fight evenly with Beerus, does that mean he's stronger than Belmond and by extension, Jiren? Honestly, you guys are overestimating how strong Beerus is in relation to the other gods.