Broly’s power increase in this movie explained (Spoilers)

[GodVegetto91]

This dude literally went from being below Base Vegeta to being above Jiren in a time span of less than 2 hours!

That’s the biggest power jump in dragon ball history boys. Let that sink in.

Hell he even unlocked his Super Saiyan transformations within this movie. Which means this was his first time ever going Super Saiyan. He’s never done it before. Seeing as how Frieza literally had to kill Paragus in order to awaken Super Saiyan within Broly. This puts even more weight on his “power increase/zenkai spamming” abilities. What’s more, he actually unlocked 2 Super Saiyan transformations within a single battle. No one has ever done that before.

Also, We all thought that Frieza’s power jump was big in the RoF Arc right? Well he took 4 months for that! He had to train for 4 whole months to reach initial SSJ Blue level.

Broly only “fights” for 2 hours and already reaches (surpasses even) Hakaishin level. That’s way more impressive than what Frieza did.

2 hours — bigger gains >>>>> 4 months - smaller gains.

[CTAkuma]

Knew i was right about his adaptive power ability

[TheSaiyanGod]

Broly already had most of that power. First, he trains since he was a child, so he was very strong when he arrived on Earth. He only "learned" (similar to the anime Black) during his initial fight against Vegeta (base / SSJ). That is, naturally he was only able to equal / overcome Vegeta SSJ.

After that, he just unlocked transformations that amplified his base power (the Rage form he already possessed). I found his power in the end ridiculously high, but I find it a bit exaggerated to say that he "overcame Jiren" in 2 hours (in fact he did not even match Jiren)

[BrolyKale]

We also learn in the movie that Broly is weak compared to Vegeta because he has never fought with humans until now, so he gets used to the fight, he learns as he fights and increases his power.

[RedHeat]

I've seen this posted on places like 4chan and Reddit, but a likely answer lies with the Ikari form. Based on the spoilers we know the reason why Freeza decides to kill Paragus to trigger a SSJ transformation: Broly's base basically reached it's limit when it came to increases. So with him still in Ikari and going SSJ (which is why he still retains his massive muscles and height) it adds more fuel for his in-battle Zenkai's. But even SSJ has a limit and thus Ikari manages to push Broly into his "Full Power" state, now with more Ikari energy than SSJ, it turns his hair green.

[PFM18]

It isn't actually larger than Freeza's power boost.

Freeza went form Namek level, to being as strong as the post-whis training/BoG Base Goku/Vegeta in his Final Form which is MANY order of magnitudes difference. He completely dwarfed anything from Z outside of maybe SSJ Vegetto in his Final Form, after coming from being absolutely nothing to Android 17/18/Imperfect Cell. Obviously, in addition to that he found a transformation of similar caliber to Super Saiyan Blue.

Broly went from being slightly weaker than current Base Vegeta, to being on par with current SSJ Vegeta, to then achieving a new form and gaining an advantage, and then he achieved SSJ and then his signature form. A good portion of his gains, probably the vast majority of his gains, came from the 3 transformations, all of which make sense according to the lore around the character. Considering he started out being so obscenely strong compared to Namek Freeza, he by no means received a larger increase than Freeza did.

[Son-Kakaroto]

It isn't actually larger than Freeza's power boost.

Freeza went form Namek level, to being as strong as the post-whis training/BoG Base Goku/Vegeta in his Final Form which is MANY order of magnitudes difference. He completely dwarfed anything from Z outside of maybe SSJ Vegetto in his Final Form, after coming from being absolutely nothing to Android 17/18/Imperfect Cell. Obviously, in addition to that he found a transformation of similar caliber to Super Saiyan Blue.

Broly went from being slightly weaker than current Base Vegeta, to being on par with current SSJ Vegeta, to then achieving a new form and gaining an advantage, and then he achieved SSJ and then his signature form. A good portion of his gains, probably the vast majority of his gains, came from the 3 transformations, all of which make sense according to the lore around the character. Considering he started out being so obscenely strong compared to Namek Freeza, he by no means received a larger increase than Freeza did.

When we talk about gains, we mean the net difference of maximum power output a user could draw during initial point in time to final point in time. This includes gains in transformation. You may be right that base broly in begging of movie to base broly at end of movie wasn't as large as final form Freeza pre 4 months, to post final form frieza four months; however, the total difference is far larger because broly at full power in the beginning of movie was weaker then base vegeta, broly by end was far stronger then vegeta blue...and I just talked myself into a corner cause' now i'm skeptical if that is even as large of boost final form Freeza namek to golden Freeza.

[PFM18]

It isn't actually larger than Freeza's power boost.

Freeza went form Namek level, to being as strong as the post-whis training/BoG Base Goku/Vegeta in his Final Form which is MANY order of magnitudes difference. He completely dwarfed anything from Z outside of maybe SSJ Vegetto in his Final Form, after coming from being absolutely nothing to Android 17/18/Imperfect Cell. Obviously, in addition to that he found a transformation of similar caliber to Super Saiyan Blue.

Broly went from being slightly weaker than current Base Vegeta, to being on par with current SSJ Vegeta, to then achieving a new form and gaining an advantage, and then he achieved SSJ and then his signature form. A good portion of his gains, probably the vast majority of his gains, came from the 3 transformations, all of which make sense according to the lore around the character. Considering he started out being so obscenely strong compared to Namek Freeza, he by no means received a larger increase than Freeza did.

When we talk about gains, we mean the net difference of maximum power output a user could draw during initial point in time to final point in time. This includes gains in transformation. You may be right that base broly in begging of movie to base broly at end of movie wasn't as large as final form Freeza pre 4 months, to post final form frieza four months; however, the total difference is far larger because broly at full power in the beginning of movie was weaker then base vegeta, broly by end was far stronger then vegeta blue...and I just talked myself into a corner cause' now i'm skeptical if that is even as large of boost final form Freeza namek to golden Freeza.

No matter which way you slice it Namek Freeza->RoF Golden Freeza is a far larger increase than Base Broly->LSSJ Broly because both ended up being very strong by DBS standards even, with obviously LSSJ Broly being much stronger than RoF Golden Freeza, but Base Broly upon his introduction is inconceivably stronger than Namek Freeza considering he could at least compete with current Base Vegeta.

[Son-Kakaroto]

It isn't actually larger than Freeza's power boost.

Freeza went form Namek level, to being as strong as the post-whis training/BoG Base Goku/Vegeta in his Final Form which is MANY order of magnitudes difference. He completely dwarfed anything from Z outside of maybe SSJ Vegetto in his Final Form, after coming from being absolutely nothing to Android 17/18/Imperfect Cell. Obviously, in addition to that he found a transformation of similar caliber to Super Saiyan Blue.

Broly went from being slightly weaker than current Base Vegeta, to being on par with current SSJ Vegeta, to then achieving a new form and gaining an advantage, and then he achieved SSJ and then his signature form. A good portion of his gains, probably the vast majority of his gains, came from the 3 transformations, all of which make sense according to the lore around the character. Considering he started out being so obscenely strong compared to Namek Freeza, he by no means received a larger increase than Freeza did.

When we talk about gains, we mean the net difference of maximum power output a user could draw during initial point in time to final point in time. This includes gains in transformation. You may be right that base broly in begging of movie to base broly at end of movie wasn't as large as final form Freeza pre 4 months, to post final form frieza four months; however, the total difference is far larger because broly at full power in the beginning of movie was weaker then base vegeta, broly by end was far stronger then vegeta blue...and I just talked myself into a corner cause' now i'm skeptical if that is even as large of boost final form Freeza namek to golden Freeza.

No matter which way you slice it Namek Freeza->RoF Golden Freeza is a far larger increase than Base Broly->LSSJ Broly because both ended up being very strong by DBS standards even, with obviously LSSJ Broly being much stronger than RoF Golden Freeza, but Base Broly upon his introduction is inconceivably stronger than Namek Freeza considering he could at least compete with current Base Vegeta.

The problem is we don't know how strong base broly was, or how strong base vegeta is or how strong lssj is. That's why it's hard to say.

[PFM18]

When we talk about gains, we mean the net difference of maximum power output a user could draw during initial point in time to final point in time. This includes gains in transformation. You may be right that base broly in begging of movie to base broly at end of movie wasn't as large as final form Freeza pre 4 months, to post final form frieza four months; however, the total difference is far larger because broly at full power in the beginning of movie was weaker then base vegeta, broly by end was far stronger then vegeta blue...and I just talked myself into a corner cause' now i'm skeptical if that is even as large of boost final form Freeza namek to golden Freeza.

No matter which way you slice it Namek Freeza->RoF Golden Freeza is a far larger increase than Base Broly->LSSJ Broly because both ended up being very strong by DBS standards even, with obviously LSSJ Broly being much stronger than RoF Golden Freeza, but Base Broly upon his introduction is inconceivably stronger than Namek Freeza considering he could at least compete with current Base Vegeta.

The problem is we don't know how strong base broly was, or how strong base vegeta is or how strong lssj is. That's why it's hard to say.

We know for a fact current Base Vegeta is several orders of magnitude stronger than Namek Freeza and that is the entire point; that Base Broly is strong enough to compete with, and soon overtake Base Vegeta. We obviously know LSSJ Broly is dramatically stronger than SSB Goku/Vegeta but the exact amount is unclear.

[GodVegetto91]

It isn't actually larger than Freeza's power boost.

Freeza went form Namek level, to being as strong as the post-whis training/BoG Base Goku/Vegeta in his Final Form which is MANY order of magnitudes difference. He completely dwarfed anything from Z outside of maybe SSJ Vegetto in his Final Form, after coming from being absolutely nothing to Android 17/18/Imperfect Cell. Obviously, in addition to that he found a transformation of similar caliber to Super Saiyan Blue.

Broly went from being slightly weaker than current Base Vegeta, to being on par with current SSJ Vegeta, to then achieving a new form and gaining an advantage, and then he achieved SSJ and then his signature form. A good portion of his gains, probably the vast majority of his gains, came from the 3 transformations, all of which make sense according to the lore around the character. Considering he started out being so obscenely strong compared to Namek Freeza, he by no means received a larger increase than Freeza did.

I completely disagree. We know that the power gap between Beerus and Goku and Vegeta’s SSJ Blue strength (from the Revival of F Arc!) is VAST. If we take a look at all the power-ups Goku gained from that point onwards: 1. Training for 3 years with Vegeta in the time chamber, 2. Utilizing the SSJ Blue Kaioken x10 against Hit during the U6 tournament, 3. Surpassing even that power all by himself after the Black Arc ended, As proven in his second fight with Hit. 4. To eventually far surpassing his first KK x20 power against Jiren just in Blue near the very end of the ToP, based on feats. 5. To finally FAR surpassing even that with Mastered Ultra Instinct. And yet, from the looks of it, it seems Beerus is still beyond that MUI Goku who defeated Jiren. And this is just the difference between SSJ Blue and Beerus.

Broly started out weaker than BASE Vegeta!

Do you realize how many Saiyan transformations can fit between that???

7!

SS1
SS2
SS3
SSG
SSB
SSBE
UI.

[SuperNingenGod]

A post ToP UI Goku should be vastly superior to Broly Full Power. If Goku can activate it at will without getting beaten up to 0 stamina then the amount of power this being can dish out is absolutely beyond Hakaishin level. There's a reason why this form isn't used in the movie, it would be too OP and is reserved for something far greater like Low Angel tier foes.

[BlueBasilisk]

The same thing happened when Goku fought Kefla. They only fought for 2-3 minutes but she was rapidly drawing out more and more power the longer they went at it.

[SuperNingenGod]

Fusion due to the combination of two people's attributes is prone to more accelerated power up overall tho, we see Gotenks going base all the way to SSJ3 in no time so Broly by himself wouldn't reach that speed.

[superfan2024]

And here I thought Broly was a S-Cell genetically altered Saiyan....

[PFM18]

1. Training for 3 years with Vegeta in the time chamber

Which made a marginal difference at best according to Vegeta.

4. To eventually far surpassing his first KK x20 power against Jiren just in Blue near the very end of the ToP, based on feats.

This is just speculation. We aren't given much reason to believe this though it is possible.

SSBE
UI.

These don't really work because SSBE doesn't exist in the movie continuity and we don't actually know for certain that Broly is stronger than UI.

Meanwhile Namek Freeza, went from being as strong as his Namek self to being by far the highest ki they had ever felt in his Final Form upon arriving in RoF. If we are going to enter the practice of listing things that were surpassed:

Spoiler:

SSJ Future Trunks
17/18/Imperfect Cell
16/Imperfect Cell post absorptions
Semi-Perfect Cell
ASSJ Vegeta
MSSJ Goku
Cell Full-power
SSJ2 Gohan
Fat Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

Goku was stated to be as strong as Super Saiyan God as a SSJ, and obviously his Base would be 1/50th of that, and then gained a ton of power training with Whis and Freeza was able to match THAT version of Base Goku in his Final Form and was able to fodderize everybody else in his first form. Those types of gains dwarf anything Broly did in this movie.

[Son-Kakaroto]

1. Training for 3 years with Vegeta in the time chamber

Which made a marginal difference at best according to Vegeta.

4. To eventually far surpassing his first KK x20 power against Jiren just in Blue near the very end of the ToP, based on feats.

This is just speculation. We aren't given much reason to believe this though it is possible.

SSBE
UI.

These don't really work because SSBE doesn't exist in the movie continuity and we don't actually know for certain that Broly is stronger than UI.

Meanwhile Namek Freeza, went from being as strong as his Namek self to being by far the highest ki they had ever felt in his Final Form upon arriving in RoF. If we are going to enter the practice of listing things that were surpassed:

Spoiler:

SSJ Future Trunks
17/18/Imperfect Cell
16/Imperfect Cell post absorptions
Semi-Perfect Cell
ASSJ Vegeta
MSSJ Goku
Cell Full-power
SSJ2 Gohan
Fat Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

Goku was stated to be as strong as Super Saiyan God as a SSJ, and obviously his Base would be 1/50th of that, and then gained a ton of power training with Whis and Freeza was able to match THAT version of Base Goku in his Final Form and was able to fodderize everybody else in his first form. Those types of gains dwarf anything Broly did in this movie.

Be consistent bro, you can't say "movie continuity" therefore mui and ssbe dont count, but then backward moonwalk and use BoG anime-only tv line as basis for power scaling the movie continuity.

[PFM18]

1. Training for 3 years with Vegeta in the time chamber

Which made a marginal difference at best according to Vegeta.

4. To eventually far surpassing his first KK x20 power against Jiren just in Blue near the very end of the ToP, based on feats.

This is just speculation. We aren't given much reason to believe this though it is possible.

SSBE
UI.

These don't really work because SSBE doesn't exist in the movie continuity and we don't actually know for certain that Broly is stronger than UI.

Meanwhile Namek Freeza, went from being as strong as his Namek self to being by far the highest ki they had ever felt in his Final Form upon arriving in RoF. If we are going to enter the practice of listing things that were surpassed:

Spoiler:

SSJ Future Trunks
17/18/Imperfect Cell
16/Imperfect Cell post absorptions
Semi-Perfect Cell
ASSJ Vegeta
MSSJ Goku
Cell Full-power
SSJ2 Gohan
Fat Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

Goku was stated to be as strong as Super Saiyan God as a SSJ, and obviously his Base would be 1/50th of that, and then gained a ton of power training with Whis and Freeza was able to match THAT version of Base Goku in his Final Form and was able to fodderize everybody else in his first form. Those types of gains dwarf anything Broly did in this movie.

Be consistent bro, you can't say "movie continuity" therefore mui and ssbe dont count, but then backward moonwalk and use BoG anime-only tv line as basis for power scaling the movie continuity.

Well if we are going off of the "movie continuity" then in Toriyama's original movie about BoG the scene played out the same way so it would still be part of the same continuity here. The only iteration where the dialogue didnt happen is in Toyotaro's version and that has no relevance to the movie.

[Son-Kakaroto]

Which made a marginal difference at best according to Vegeta.


This is just speculation. We aren't given much reason to believe this though it is possible.



These don't really work because SSBE doesn't exist in the movie continuity and we don't actually know for certain that Broly is stronger than UI.

Meanwhile Namek Freeza, went from being as strong as his Namek self to being by far the highest ki they had ever felt in his Final Form upon arriving in RoF. If we are going to enter the practice of listing things that were surpassed:

Spoiler:

SSJ Future Trunks
17/18/Imperfect Cell
16/Imperfect Cell post absorptions
Semi-Perfect Cell
ASSJ Vegeta
MSSJ Goku
Cell Full-power
SSJ2 Gohan
Fat Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

Goku was stated to be as strong as Super Saiyan God as a SSJ, and obviously his Base would be 1/50th of that, and then gained a ton of power training with Whis and Freeza was able to match THAT version of Base Goku in his Final Form and was able to fodderize everybody else in his first form. Those types of gains dwarf anything Broly did in this movie.

Be consistent bro, you can't say "movie continuity" therefore mui and ssbe dont count, but then backward moonwalk and use BoG anime-only tv line as basis for power scaling the movie continuity.

Well if we are going off of the "movie continuity" then in Toriyama's original movie about BoG the scene played out the same way so it would still be part of the same continuity here. The only iteration where the dialogue didnt happen is in Toyotaro's version and that has no relevance to the movie.

The dialogue never happened in the movie, all that happened is ssj goku fought berrus. No explanation. Toyotaro has the same amount of relevance as toei's version, which is NILT! Though at least toyo can claim tori bot incorpated one of his ideas, ssj god. Same does not appear to be the case with toei.

[PFM18]

Be consistent bro, you can't say "movie continuity" therefore mui and ssbe dont count, but then backward moonwalk and use BoG anime-only tv line as basis for power scaling the movie continuity.

Well if we are going off of the "movie continuity" then in Toriyama's original movie about BoG the scene played out the same way so it would still be part of the same continuity here. The only iteration where the dialogue didnt happen is in Toyotaro's version and that has no relevance to the movie.

The dialogue never happened in the movie, all that happened is ssj goku fought berrus. No explanation. Toyotaro has the same amount of relevance as toei's version, which is NILT! Though at least toyo can claim tori bot incorpated one of his ideas, ssj god. Same does not appear to be the case with toei.

The dialogue occurs in the movie just not the same verbatim. Beerus is impressed with Goku for being able to retain the power as a SSJ and then an interview shortly after Toriyama explains that he had absorbed the power in the movie if there was ever any doubt. (there wasn't.) We have every reason to believe that this scene played out the same way in the continuity of this Broly movie.

Toyotaro just did his own thing and removed that scene from the movie/anime.