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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:46 pm

emperior wrote:Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 400x Base

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 5
Potara = [(A+B)] x 10-15
(Potara’s boost depends on the fusee relationship)

Dragon Ball Z


Raditz Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Weighted - 334
Full Power - 416

Piccolo
Weighted - 322
Full Power - 408

Gohan
Base - 1
Anger - 1,307

Raditz - 1,200

Master Roshi - 139
Krillin - 206
Tenshinan - 250
Kami - 300
Mr Popo - 200[/spoiler]

Saiyan Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 8000
Kaioken x2 - 16,000
Kaioken x3 - 24,000
Kaioken x4 - 32,000

Gohan
Base - 980
Angered - 2700

Piccolo - 2,500
Krillin - 1,770
Yamcha - 1,480
Tenshinan - 1,830
Yajirobe - 970
Chiaotzu - 610

Saibamen - 1,200

Nappa - 4,000

Vegeta
Base - 18,000
Great Ape Full Power - 180,000
Great Ape - 60,000[/spoiler]
Raditz should be higher than the Saibamen, Toriyama described him as slightly superior and the guides list him at 1,500.
Namek Arc

[spoiler]Goku (Arrival)
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 90,000
Kaioken vs Ginyu - 120,000
Kaioken x2 - 180,000

Krillin (Power unlocked) - 12,000
Gohan (Power unlocked) - 15,000
Nail - 42,000
Namekian Warriors - 3,000

Vegeta
Base - 24,000
1st Zenkai - 30,000
2nd Zenkai - 250,000

Cui - 18,000
Dodoria - 22,000

Zarbon
Base - 23,000
Transformed - 28,000

Recoome - 40,000
Burter - 50,000
Jeice - 45,000
Guldo - 50
Captain Ginyu - 90,000
Ginyu in Goku’s body - 23,000[/spoiler]


Freezer Arc

[spoiler]Goku (Zenkai)
Base - 3,000,000
Kaioken x10 - 30,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 60,000,000
Super Saiyan - 150,000,000

Krillin - 75,000

Gohan (Zenkai)
Base - 200,000
Angry - 1,000,000

Piccolo (Nail) - 1,200,000

Vegeta
Base - 300,000
After Zenkai - 1,500,000

Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,300,000
3rd form - 3,000,000
Final Form 50% - 60,000,000
Final Form - 120,000,000
100% Form - 150,000,000[/spoiler]
Vegeta's 2nd Zenkai should leave him below Goku's 90,000 before he takes a nap. Also, 250,000 is too low for his post-nap power level. I know V-Jump lists him at 250,000 at this time, but he was able to match First Form Freeza so he must be around 400,000+ at least.

And Freeza's 3rd form is much too high, it should be inferior to Post-Zenkai Vegeta who's too low as well, personally I'd place him at 1,800,000-2,250,000.

Also, 100% Freeza can't be 150,000,000, 120,000,000 is his power at 100%. Also, Goku was clearly superior to Freeza the whole time, Freeza can't be equal to SSJ Goku.
Trunks Arc

[spoiler]Mecha Freezer - 155,000,000

King Cold - 100,000,000

King Cold's soldiers - Average of 1,000

Future Trunks
Base - 3,400,000
SSJ - 170,000,000

Goku
Base - 3,500,000
SSJ - 175,000,000

Vegeta - 3,000,000
Piccolo - 2,500,000
Gohan - 300,000
Krillin - 75,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000[/spoiler]
Mecha Freeza should be a bit weaker than Namek SSJ Goku since he felt he'd need his father's help to win.

I feel Future Trunks and Goku are bit too low here, and the gap between them is too small as well, but your numbers here are probably fine.
Androids Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 3,600,000
SSJ - 180,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 90,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 3,800,000
SSJ - 190,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 3,400,000
SSJ - 170,000,000

Piccolo - 150,000,000

Gohan - 1,200,000
Tenshinhan - 40,000
Krillin - 80,000
Yamcha - 30,000

#19 - 120,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 140,000,000
Dr. Gero - 110,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 130,000,000

#18 - 240,000,000
#17 - 250,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc

[spoiler]Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 250,000,000
Worn Out - 240,000,000

Android 16 - 260,000,000

Cell
Imperfect - 240,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 250,000,000
Semi Perfect - 300,000,000
Perfect Cell (Suppressed)- 400,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 7,000,000
SSJ - 350,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 2 - 400,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 90%)

Trunks
Base - 6,800,000
SSJ - 340,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 2 - 390,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 3 - 440,000,000 (Speed = 80%, Stamina = 80%)
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta. When using Grade 3 his power level his greater than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)[/spoiler]


Cell Games

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 14,500,000
FPSSJ - 725,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 100%)
After battle with Cell - 375,000,000

Perfect Cell
Suppressed vs Goku - 700,000,000
Suppressed vs Gohan - 750,000,000
Full Power - 1,000,000,000
Super Perfect - 1,200,000,000

Gohan
Base - 15,000,000
FPSSJ - 750,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 100%)
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
Wounded - 1,000,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 1,700,000,000

Cell Jr - 400,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 8,000,000
SSJ - 400,000,000

Trunks
Base - 7,800,000
SSJ - 390,000,000

Piccolo - 400,000,000[/spoiler]
They should have improved far more after the 3 year training gap, and Trunks should be stronger as well. When he comes back he says he could fight the future androids fairly well.

The gaps you have between Vegeta & 18 and 18 & 17 are too small.

Piccolo (Kami fusion) should be 2x his pre-fusion self.

Cell (Humans absorbed) should be far, far more powerful than Piccolo, he walked straight into his strongest attack without taking any damage.

Semi Perfect Cell should be Imperfect Cell + 17. Also, he tanked a punch to the face from 16 and easily wrecked him while suppressed, he has to be much stronger than 16.

SSJ Vegeta should be around the same level as Suppressed Semi Perfect Cell, and Cell should power up considerably when he goes full power since Vegeta says his power shot up quite a bit.

FPSSJ Goku is too low, he should be superior to Trunks and Vegeta in their Grade states with only half his power.

Gohan should be a good deal stronger than his father, Cell says Goku wasn't completely bluffing about Gohan's power.

Trunks and Vegeta after their 2nd RoSAT trip should be superior to the Grade forms they used against Cell and slightly above 50% of Goku since Vegeta is confident that he's surpassed 50% Goku.

I'll get to the Buu Arc/Super stuff later.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by emperior » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:03 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
emperior wrote:[/spoiler]
Thanks for the help! I will fix my list with your suggestions too
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:21 am

MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 105x
Super Saiyan 2 – 200x
Super Saiyan 3 – 500x


Raditz Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 275

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,200
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 12,000

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 60,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 600,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000
Post-recovery – 30,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 11,000

Dende – 250
Power Unlocked – 1,000

Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza – 530,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 29,000

Gurd – 2,500
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 1,750,000

Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 400,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 120,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

Kuririn – 11,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,050,000
Third Form – 1,575,000
True Form – 2,100,000
50% Power – 47,500,000
70% Power – 66,500,000
100% Power – 95,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,400,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000

Trunks – 2,300,000
Super Saiyan – 115,000,000

Vegeta – 2,000,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 16,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 4,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
King Cold – 90,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 100,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 1,600,000
Super Saiyan – 80,000,000
Post-training – 2,200,000
Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

Kid Trunks – 20,000
Post-training – 40,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

Future Android 18 – 180,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 3,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Son Goku – 2,880,000
Super Saiyan – 144,000,000

Trunks – 2,500,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000

Piccolo – 100,000,000
Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 20,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Android 19 – 50,000,000
Post-absorption – 75,000,000

Android 20 – 60,000,000
Post-absorption – 80,000,000

Android 18 – 180,000,000
Android 17 – 200,000,000
Android 16 – 240,000,000

Cell – 160,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 6,400,000
Super Saiyan – 320,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 480,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 672,000,000

Trunks – 6,200,000
Super Saiyan – 310,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 465,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 651,000,000

Piccolo – 200,000,000

Android 18 – 180,000,000
Android 17 – 200,000,000
Android 16 – 240,000,000

Cell – 240,000,000
Second Form – 320,000,000
Full Power – 400,000,000
Perfect Form – 450,000,000
Power Up – 600,000,000
Bulked Up – 750,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Games Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 36,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 7,200,000,000
Injured – 3,500,000,000

Son Goku – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Vegeta – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000

Trunks – 23,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,150,000,000

Piccolo – 975,000,000
Android 16 – 240,000,000

Cell Juniors – 1,200,000,000

Perfect Cell – 1,600,000,000
Full Speed – 1,800,000,000
Full Power – 2,400,000,000
Bulked Up – 3,000,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 3,600,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Trunks – 23,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,150,000,000
3 Years Later – 26,500,000
Super Saiyan – 1,275,000,000

Future Android 18 – 180,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000
Cell – 240,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 20,000,000,000

Vegeta – 36,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 7,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 8,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 6,000,000,000
Ultimate – 60,000,000,000

Son Goten – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000

Trunks – 21,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,050,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000

Gotenks – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 20,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 12,500,000,000
Super Saiyan – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 50,000,000,000

Vegetto – 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 200,000,000,000

Piccolo – 1,250,000,000
Android 18 – 180,000,000
Tenshinhan – 25,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 6,000
Dende – 2,500

Grand Kaioshin – 15,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the South – 25,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the North – 2,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the West – 1,800,000,000

Rou Kaioshin – 1,500,000
Kibito – 15,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 1,500,000,000
Merged – 15,000,000,000

Babidi – 10
Pui Pui – 4,000
Yakon – 40,000,000
Dabra – 4,000,000,000

Pure Boo – 20,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 45,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 18,000,000,000
Evil Boo – 10,000,000,000
Good Boo – 8,000,000,000
Super Boo – 40,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 90,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 100,000,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 25,000,000,000

Vegeta – 45,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000

Son Goten – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Trunks – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Son Gohan – 60,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 8,000,000,000
Piccolo – 1,600,000,000
Oob – 50,000,000
Pan – 2,000,000[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by emperior » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:16 am

I made a new DBZ list based on your feedback. It should be better than before. Please correct me if you spot errors!

Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 400x Base

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 5
Potara = [(A+B)] x 10-15
(Potara’s boost depends on the fusee relationship)

Dragon Ball Minus

[spoiler]Jaco - 50
Bardock - 2,500
Gine - 500[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Z


Raditz Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Weighted - 334
Full Power - 416

Piccolo
Weighted - 322
Full Power - 408

Gohan
Base - 1
Anger - 1,307

Raditz - 1,500

Master Roshi - 139
Krillin - 206
Tenshinan - 250
Kami - 300
Mr Popo - 200[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 8000
Kaioken x2 - 16,000
Kaioken x3 - 24,000
Kaioken x4 - 32,000

Gohan
Base - 980
Angered - 2700

Piccolo - 2,500
Krillin - 1,770
Yamcha - 1,480
Tenshinan - 1,830
Yajirobe - 970
Chiaotzu - 610

Saibamen - 1,200

Nappa - 4,000

Vegeta
Base - 18,000
Great Ape Full Power - 180,000
Great Ape - 60,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc

[spoiler]Goku (Arrival)
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 90,000
Kaioken vs Ginyu - 120,000
Kaioken x2 - 180,000

Krillin (Power unlocked) - 12,000
Gohan (Power unlocked) - 15,000
Nail - 42,000
Namekian Warriors - 3,000

Vegeta
Base - 24,000
Zenkai - 30,000

Cui - 18,000
Dodoria - 22,000

Zarbon
Base - 23,000
Transformed - 28,000

Recoome - 40,000
Burter - 40,000
Jeice - 40,000
Guldo - 10,000
Captain Ginyu - 90,000
Ginyu in Goku’s body - 23,000[/spoiler]


Freezer Arc

[spoiler]Goku (Zenkai)
Base - 3,000,000
Kaioken x10 - 30,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 60,000,000
Super Saiyan - 150,000,000

Krillin - 75,000

Gohan (Zenkai)
Base - 200,000
Angry - 1,000,000

Piccolo (Nail) - 1,200,000

Vegeta
Base - 450,000
Zenkai - 2,500,000

Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,090,000
3rd form - 2,120,000
Final Form (50%) - 60,000,000
Final Form - 100,000,000
Final Form (100%) - 120,000,000[/spoiler]


Trunks Arc

[spoiler]Mecha Freezer - 140,000,000

King Cold - 100,000,000

King Cold's soldiers - Average of 1,000

Future Trunks
Base - 3,400,000
SSJ - 170,000,000

Goku
Base - 3,600,000
SSJ - 180,000,000

Vegeta - 3,000,000
Piccolo - 2,000,000
Gohan - 300,000
Krillin - 75,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000[/spoiler]

Androids Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 4,000,000
SSJ - 200,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 150,000,000 (Dropping)

Vegeta
Base - 4,200,000
SSJ - 210,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 3,600,000
SSJ - 180,000,000

Piccolo - 150,000,000

Gohan - 1,200,000
Tenshinhan - 40,000
Krillin - 80,000
Yamcha - 30,000

#19 - 120,000,000
Dr. Gero - 130,000,000

#18 - 280,000,000
#17 - 300,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc

[spoiler]Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 300,000,000
Worn Out - 290,000,000

Android 16 - 320,000,000

Cell
Imperfect - 290,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 320,000,000
Semi-Perfect - 520,000,000
Perfect (Suppressed)- 720,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 12,600,000
SSJ - 630,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 2 - 680,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 90%)

Trunks
Base - 12,400,000
SSJ - 620,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 2 - 670,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 3 - 770,000,000 (Speed = 70%, Stamina = 80%)[/spoiler]


Cell Games

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 26,000,000
FPSSJ - 1,300,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 100%)

Gohan
Base - 32,000,000
FPSSJ - 1,600,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 100%)
SSJ2 - 3,200,000,000
Wounded - 2,500,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 4,500,000,000

Perfect Cell
vs Goku - 1,300,000,000
vs Gohan - 1,600,000,000
Full Power - 2,500,000,000
Super Perfect - 3,200,000,000

Cell Jr - 1,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 20,000,000
SSJ - 1,000,000,000

Trunks
Base - 18,000,000
SSJ - 900,000,000

Piccolo - 800,000,000[/spoiler]


The Future

[spoiler]Future #17- 250,000,000
Future #18- 230,000,000

Future Gohan
Base - 3,200,000
SSJ - 160,000,000

Trunks (Post Cell Games)
Base - 18,000,000
SSJ - 900,000,000
3 years later - 20,000,000
SSJ - 1,000,000,000

Future Cell- 290,000,000[/spoiler]


Babidi Arc

[spoiler]Gohan
Base - 25,000,000
SSJ - 1,250,000,000

Post Training - 30,000,000
FPSSJ - 1,500,000,000
SSJ2 - 3,000,000,000

Goten
Base - 8,000,000
FPSSJ - 400,000,000
Post Training - 10,000,000
FPSSJ - 500,000,000

Trunks
Base - 10,000,000
FPSSJ - 500,000,000
Post Training - 12,000,000
FPSSJ - 600,000,000

Goku
Base - 35,000,000
SSJ - 1,750,000,000
SSJ2 - 3,500,000,000
SSJ3 Full Power - 14,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 28,000,000
SSJ - 1,400,000,000
SSJ2 - 2,800,000,000
Majin Vegeta - 3,500,000,000

Krillin - 150,000
#18 - 280,000,000

Piccolo - 800,000,000
Kaioshin- 500,000,000
Kibito - 20,000,000

Pui-Pui - 100,000
Yakon - 10,000,000
Dabura - 2,000,000,000

Majin Buu - 6,000,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 100,000,000
SSJ - 5,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc

[spoiler]Goten - 20,000,000
Trunks - 20,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 200,000,000
SSJ - 10,000,000,000
SSJ3 - 20,000,000,000

(Gotenks’ SSJ3 multiplier is 100x)

Gohan (Ultimate) - 25,000,000,000

Super Buu - 18,000,000,000
Buutenks - 38,000,000,000
Buuhan - 44,000,000,000

Kibitoshin - 5,200,000,000

Vegetto
Base - 1,000,000,000
SSJ - 50,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 12,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 40,000,000
SSJ - 2,000,000,000
SSJ2 - 4,000,000,000

Goku
Base - 40,000,000
SSJ - 2,000,000,000
SSJ2 - 4,000,000,000
SSJ3 - 12,000,000,000
SSJ3 (Full Power) - 16,000,000,000[/spoiler]
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:29 am

emperior wrote:I made a new DBZ list based on your feedback. It should be better than before. Please correct me if you spot errors!
It's a good list, but just something. Kaioshin was stated in the manga to be way above Piccolo, but below Buu saga SSJ1 Gohan. Kaioshin would be more or less be stronger than the Cell Jr and below SSJ1 Gohan.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

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VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Power levels
SAIYAN ARC: Everything is ok, but Oozaru Gohan and Vegeta should be lower, they both were fatigued and injured for their fights.

NAMEK ARC: Good one, but Monster Zarbon >= Vegeta, he needed to cheat to win.

FREEZA ARC: I don't have any trouble with you don't using the official numbers, but Vegeta is too close to Goku and Freeza. Also, the gap between SSJ Goku and Maxed out Freeza should be higher. Goku dominated him since the beggining of the fight.

MECHA FREEZA ARC: The humans are too weak! You make Piccolo getting almost 50x stronger in a week but Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaotsu don't get even 10x stronger in 4-9 months? Also, i think Mecha Freeza wasn't walking around with his FP, and if that's just his regular power, it's too high, Trunks easily killed him.

FUTURE ARC I: There was no pre and post training here. All what happens is Gohan and Trunks sparring and then Gohan goes get murdered by the Androids. Also, where is Trunks before the time travel, when he fought the Androids?

ANDROIDS ARC: The gains here were pretty lame. The strongest human being Dodoria level? Piccolo at SSJ Namek Goku? Those are the worse ones. But i agree with Future Androids = Present Androids, the future ones were just playing with Trunks all the time.

CELL ARC: Everything here is fine.

CELL GAMES: Vegeta and Trunks are too high, a fatigued Cell was too much for them. Also, SPC = Injured SSJ2 Gohan is bullshit. Kaboom just explained why on the last page.

BUU SAGA: I'm a bit confused about the three main saiyans power by know, so i'm not talking about them. Fusion SSJs don't have a different multiplier, that was never implied. And MSSJ Gohan > Kaioshin > Piccolo on the manga.
emperior wrote:Power levels
SAIYAN ARC: Everything is ok, but i think Gohan powered up to 1,500+ when he attacked Raditz, he got really injured with is head attack. Popo < Krillin? I think even Tenshinhan is weaker than Popo at this point. Everything on Vegeta Arc is fine.

NAMEK ARC: Zarbon and Dodoria are too high, -10% gap isn't enough to one shot someone, if it was then Vegeta would have one shotted Goku on the Saiyan Arc. And Monster Zarbon >= Vegeta, he needed to cheat to win. Where is Post Recoome Vegeta?

FREEZA ARC: Great, everything here is accurate.

TRUNKS ARC: Mecha Freeza doesn't walk around with his max power. I would put Tenshinhan and Yamcha a bit higher, maybe at 22k and 36k?

ANDROIDS ARC: Piccolo should be >= Android Arc Trunks. Also, what the fuck are this level for Krillin? Tenshinhan and Yamcha get twice stronger but Krillin don't get even 10% stronger?

CELL ARC: Cell shouldn't be stronger than 18, he was around SSJ Vegeta's level. Also, 16 and Cell are too close to Piccolo, 17 and 18. Grade 2 don't make you slower, just grade 3.

CELL GAMES: 50% Goku is stronger than Grade 3 Trunks. And Vegeta and Trunks are too close to Goku and Gohan.

BABIDI SAGA I would put Goten and Trunks at Cell Games Vegeta and Trunks, Gohan was worried he could be surpassed soon. Krillin didn't improved between Cell Games and Buu Saga, why don't you just let him at 150k since the Android Arc? And Kaioshin > Piccolo > Cell Games Piccolo, Piccolo was stated to be stronger than before by Dende and Popo, and Piccolo himself stated that and it's confirmed on the Daiz. Yakon is too low, he give Goku some trouble.

BUU SAGA Kibitoshin is too high, he should be around SSJ Goku and Vegeta's level. Vegetto is too close from Buuhan, i would put him 2-3x stronger at least. And why did Goku and Vegeta got stronger? Vegeta didn't keep his body, and Goku was just watching Gohan's training.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by emperior » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:13 pm

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emperior wrote:Power levels
SAIYAN ARC: Everything is ok, but i think Gohan powered up to 1,500+ when he attacked Raditz, he got really injured with is head attack. Popo < Krillin? I think even Tenshinhan is weaker than Popo at this point. Everything on Vegeta Arc is fine.

NAMEK ARC: Zarbon and Dodoria are too high, -10% gap isn't enough to one shot someone, if it was then Vegeta would have one shotted Goku on the Saiyan Arc. And Monster Zarbon >= Vegeta, he needed to cheat to win. Where is Post Recoome Vegeta?

FREEZA ARC: Great, everything here is accurate.

TRUNKS ARC: Mecha Freeza doesn't walk around with his max power. I would put Tenshinhan and Yamcha a bit higher, maybe at 22k and 36k?

ANDROIDS ARC: Piccolo should be >= Android Arc Trunks. Also, what the fuck are this level for Krillin? Tenshinhan and Yamcha get twice stronger but Krillin don't get even 10% stronger?

CELL ARC: Cell shouldn't be stronger than 18, he was around SSJ Vegeta's level. Also, 16 and Cell are too close to Piccolo, 17 and 18. Grade 2 don't make you slower, just grade 3.

CELL GAMES: 50% Goku is stronger than Grade 3 Trunks. And Vegeta and Trunks are too close to Goku and Gohan.

BABIDI SAGA I would put Goten and Trunks at Cell Games Vegeta and Trunks, Gohan was worried he could be surpassed soon. Krillin didn't improved between Cell Games and Buu Saga, why don't you just let him at 150k since the Android Arc? And Kaioshin > Piccolo > Cell Games Piccolo, Piccolo was stated to be stronger than before by Dende and Popo, and Piccolo himself stated that and it's confirmed on the Daiz. Yakon is too low, he give Goku some trouble.

BUU SAGA Kibitoshin is too high, he should be around SSJ Goku and Vegeta's level. Vegetto is too close from Buuhan, i would put him 2-3x stronger at least. And why did Goku and Vegeta got stronger? Vegeta didn't keep his body, and Goku was just watching Gohan's training.
- Raditz scouter stated exactly 1307 if I remember correctly. I will just remove Popo and Kami because they don't fight and it was pointless to list them.

- What's wrong with Dodoria at 22,000? By the way I will make Monster Zarbon 32,000. Will add post Recoome Vegeta, I will make him 60k.

- About Mecha Freezer, why wouldn't he walk around at full power? No one commented he wasn't if I remember correctly. Everyone was incredibily scared. I'll fix Yamcha and Tenshinan.

- Was it ever stated that Piccolo was above Trunks before merging with Kami? Krillin wouldn't get much stronger as he had his potential unlocked on Namek.

- Grade 2 did slow them down, just not as much as Grade. As for Cell, I remember Kami saying he was the real threat, not the androids. I wouldn't make him weaker than 18, unless I'm forgetting something. I also don't want him to get crazy strong just by absorbing people, his main source of power should still be the androids.

- Gohan being worried doesn't exactly mean the kids were that strong. They were still below Piccolo. I think Gohan was worried seeing Goten being just 6 and having that power + SSJ. I'll fix the Kaioshin, Piccolo and Yakon.

- I'll fix Kibitoshin and Goku and Vegeta post fusion. About Vegetto, I think the gap might be enough, and I want to continue the list with Super so I prefer to keep Vegetto as low as possible.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by The gr » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:31 pm

I'm not liking the fact that people downplay the human character way too much,I mean what a power 20,000 that pathetic,I mean Krillin,yamcha and Tien are above that level in the artificial human saga ,and Krillin should not be around that level in the frieza fight.
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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:44 pm

    emperior wrote:I made a new DBZ list based on your feedback. It should be better than before. Please correct me if you spot errors!
    Big improvement over last time! :thumbup:
    I did notice a few things though.
    - Captain Ginyu is supposed to be 120,000, not 90,000. And I don't think Goku ever used Kaioken in that fight until he powered up to 180,000 to show off.
    - Didn't Gohan get a Saiyan healing boost in the middle of the Freeza fight? And didn't he throw an even bigger tantrum against 3rd Form Freeza?
    - I highly doubt Imperfect Cell started out as strong as No. 18. Kami said that he was a greater threat than the Androids, yes, but that was probably more of a godly premonition than a direct comparison of present power levels. I'd say that being closer to Vegeta's strength would be a good fit for him.
    - I think there should be a bigger difference between No. 17 and Piccolo, and No. 16 and Powered-Up Imperfect Cell. Cell tanked (an admittedly exhausted) Piccolo's most powerful attack without a scratch. I'd stick him around 400 million at the very least.
    - I don't think Vegeta and Trunks should be stronger than full power Semi-perfect Cell as regular Super Saiyans. They might be close to or as strong as him, but not stronger.
    - I'd probably bump Cell Games Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo all down a smidge. The implied gap between them and Goku was supposed to be significant. I'd probably drop them all by about 100 million, or so.
    - Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo says so right in the manga, and one of the Daizenshuu directly states that Kaioshin's power is far superior to Super Namekian Piccolo's.
    - Likewise, Fused Kaioshin, probably shouldn't be that high up. He probably caps out around the same strength as the Super Saiyan 2s, given how Vegeta hangs around for the final battle and he doesn't.
    - Why are Goku and Vegeta stronger at the end of the Boo Arc than they were at the beginning?
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    Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:23 pm

    I made a new list based on your feedback. Please correct me if you spot errors!

    MULTIPLIERS

    Oozaru – 10x
    Super Saiyan – 50x
    Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
    Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 105x
    Super Saiyan 2 – 200x
    Super Saiyan 3 – 500x


    Raditz Arc


    [spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
    Enraged – 1,307

    Son Goku – 416
    Piccolo – 408
    Tenshinhan – 250
    Kuririn – 206
    Yamcha – 177
    Chaozu – 150
    Yajirobe – 145
    Muten Roshi – 139

    Kaio of the North – 5,000
    Enma Daio – 2,500
    Kami of Earth – 325
    Mr. Popo – 275

    Raditz – 1,200
    Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]


    Saiyan Arc


    [spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
    Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
    Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
    Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

    Son Gohan – 1,200
    Enraged – 2,800
    Oozaru – 12,000

    Piccolo – 2,500
    Tenshinhan – 1,800
    Kuririn – 1,500
    Yamcha – 1,300
    Chaozu – 1,000
    Yajirobe – 800

    Saibaimen – 1,200

    Nappa – 7,500
    Oozaru – 75,000

    Vegeta – 18,000
    Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


    Namek Arc


    [spoiler]Son Goku – 60,000
    Kaio-Ken x3 – 180,000
    Kaio-Ken x10 – 600,000

    Vegeta – 24,000
    Post-recovery – 30,000
    Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

    Son Gohan – 1,500
    Power Unlocked – 12,000
    Post-recovery – 30,000

    Kuririn – 1,500
    Power Unlocked – 11,000

    Dende – 250
    Power Unlocked – 1,000

    Muri – 1,500
    Young Namekians – 3,000
    Nail – 42,000

    Freeza – 530,000
    Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
    Kwi – 18,000
    Dodoria – 20,000

    Zarbon – 22,000
    Transformed – 30,000

    Gurd – 2,500
    Recoome – 40,000
    Butta – 40,000
    Jheese – 40,000
    Captain Ginyu – 120,000[/spoiler]


    Freeza Arc


    [spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
    Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
    Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

    Vegeta – 500,000
    Post-recovery – 1,700,000

    Son Gohan – 100,000
    Enraged – 750,000
    Post-recovery – 400,000
    Enraged – 1,500,000

    Piccolo – 120,000
    Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

    Kuririn – 11,000

    Freeza – 530,000
    Second Form – 800,000
    Power-Up 1 – 900,000
    Power-Up 2 – 1,050,000
    Third Form – 1,575,000
    True Form – 2,100,000
    50% Power – 47,500,000
    70% Power – 66,500,000
    100% Power – 95,000,000[/spoiler]


    Mecha Freeza Arc


    [spoiler]Son Goku – 2,400,000
    Super Saiyan – 120,000,000

    Trunks – 2,300,000
    Super Saiyan – 115,000,000

    Vegeta – 2,000,000
    Piccolo – 1,500,000
    Son Gohan – 400,000
    Tenshinhan – 16,000
    Kuririn – 12,000
    Yamcha – 8,000
    Chaozu – 4,000

    Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
    King Cold – 90,000,000
    Mecha Freeza – 100,000,000[/spoiler]


    Future Arc I


    [spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,200,000
    Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

    Kid Trunks – 40,000
    Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

    Future Android 18 – 180,000,000
    Future Android 17 – 200,000,000[/spoiler]


    Artificial Human Arc


    [spoiler]Vegeta – 3,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

    Son Goku – 2,880,000
    Super Saiyan – 144,000,000

    Trunks – 2,500,000
    Super Saiyan – 125,000,000

    Piccolo – 100,000,000
    Gohan – 2,000,000
    Tenshinhan – 20,000
    Kuririn – 15,000
    Yamcha – 10,000
    Chaozu – 5,000

    Android 19 – 50,000,000
    Post-absorption – 75,000,000

    Android 20 – 60,000,000
    Post-absorption – 80,000,000

    Android 18 – 180,000,000
    Android 17 – 200,000,000
    Android 16 – 240,000,000

    Cell – 160,000,000[/spoiler]


    Cell Arc


    [spoiler]Vegeta – 6,400,000
    Super Saiyan – 320,000,000
    Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 480,000,000
    Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 672,000,000

    Trunks – 6,200,000
    Super Saiyan – 310,000,000
    Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 465,000,000
    Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 651,000,000

    Piccolo – 200,000,000

    Android 18 – 180,000,000
    Android 17 – 200,000,000
    Android 16 – 240,000,000

    Cell – 240,000,000
    Second Form – 320,000,000
    Full Power – 400,000,000
    Perfect Form – 450,000,000
    Power Up – 600,000,000
    Bulked Up – 750,000,000[/spoiler]


    Cell Games Arc


    [spoiler]Son Gohan – 36,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,800,000,000
    Super Saiyan 2 – 7,200,000,000
    Injured – 3,500,000,000

    Son Goku – 30,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

    Vegeta – 23,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,150,000,000

    Trunks – 22,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,100,000,000

    Piccolo – 900,000,000
    Android 16 – 240,000,000

    Cell Juniors – 1,150,000,000

    Perfect Cell – 1,600,000,000
    Full Speed – 1,800,000,000
    Full Power – 2,400,000,000
    Bulked Up – 3,000,000,000
    "Super Perfect" – 3,600,000,000[/spoiler]


    Future Arc II


    [spoiler]Trunks – 22,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,100,000,000
    3 Years Later – 25,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

    Future Android 18 – 180,000,000
    Future Android 17 – 200,000,000
    Cell – 240,000,000[/spoiler]


    Buu Arc


    [spoiler]Son Goku – 40,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
    Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
    Super Saiyan 3 – 20,000,000,000

    Vegeta – 35,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,750,000,000
    Super Saiyan 2 – 7,000,000,000
    Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 8,000,000,000

    Son Gohan – 30,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
    Super Saiyan 2 – 6,000,000,000
    Ultimate – 60,000,000,000

    Son Goten – 19,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 950,000,000
    Post-RoSaT – 23,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,150,000,000

    Trunks – 20,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
    Post-RoSaT – 23,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,150,000,000

    Gotenks – 10,000,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 20,000,000,000
    Post-RoSaT – 12,500,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 25,000,000,000
    Super Saiyan 3 – 50,000,000,000

    Vegetto – 100,000,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 200,000,000,000

    Piccolo – 1,200,000,000
    Android 18 – 180,000,000
    Tenshinhan – 25,000
    Kuririn – 12,500
    Yamcha – 8,000
    Chaozu – 6,000
    Dende – 2,500

    Grand Kaioshin – 15,000,000,000
    Kaioshin of the South – 25,000,000,000
    Kaioshin of the North – 2,000,000,000
    Kaioshin of the West – 1,800,000,000

    Rou Kaioshin – 1,500,000
    Kibito – 15,000,000
    Kaioshin of the East - 1,500,000,000
    Merged – 15,000,000,000

    Babidi – 10
    Pui Pui – 4,000
    Yakon – 40,000,000
    Dabra – 4,000,000,000

    Pure Boo – 20,000,000,000
    Buff Boo – 45,000,000,000
    Majin Boo – 18,000,000,000
    Evil Boo – 10,000,000,000
    Good Boo – 8,000,000,000
    Super Boo – 40,000,000,000
    + Gotenks – 90,000,000,000
    + Son Gohan – 100,000,000,000[/spoiler]


    28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


    [spoiler]Son Goku – 50,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
    Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
    Super Saiyan 3 – 25,000,000,000

    Vegeta – 45,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 2,250,000,000
    Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000

    Son Goten – 28,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,400,000,000

    Trunks – 28,000,000
    Super Saiyan – 1,400,000,000

    Son Gohan – 60,000,000,000
    Mister Boo – 8,000,000,000
    Piccolo – 1,500,000,000
    Oob – 50,000,000
    Pan – 2,000,000[/spoiler]

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    Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

    Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:51 pm

    emperior wrote:
    GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:
    emperior wrote:Power levels
    SAIYAN ARC: Everything is ok, but i think Gohan powered up to 1,500+ when he attacked Raditz, he got really injured with is head attack. Popo < Krillin? I think even Tenshinhan is weaker than Popo at this point. Everything on Vegeta Arc is fine.

    NAMEK ARC: Zarbon and Dodoria are too high, -10% gap isn't enough to one shot someone, if it was then Vegeta would have one shotted Goku on the Saiyan Arc. And Monster Zarbon >= Vegeta, he needed to cheat to win. Where is Post Recoome Vegeta?

    FREEZA ARC: Great, everything here is accurate.

    TRUNKS ARC: Mecha Freeza doesn't walk around with his max power. I would put Tenshinhan and Yamcha a bit higher, maybe at 22k and 36k?

    ANDROIDS ARC: Piccolo should be >= Android Arc Trunks. Also, what the fuck are this level for Krillin? Tenshinhan and Yamcha get twice stronger but Krillin don't get even 10% stronger?

    CELL ARC: Cell shouldn't be stronger than 18, he was around SSJ Vegeta's level. Also, 16 and Cell are too close to Piccolo, 17 and 18. Grade 2 don't make you slower, just grade 3.

    CELL GAMES: 50% Goku is stronger than Grade 3 Trunks. And Vegeta and Trunks are too close to Goku and Gohan.

    BABIDI SAGA I would put Goten and Trunks at Cell Games Vegeta and Trunks, Gohan was worried he could be surpassed soon. Krillin didn't improved between Cell Games and Buu Saga, why don't you just let him at 150k since the Android Arc? And Kaioshin > Piccolo > Cell Games Piccolo, Piccolo was stated to be stronger than before by Dende and Popo, and Piccolo himself stated that and it's confirmed on the Daiz. Yakon is too low, he give Goku some trouble.

    BUU SAGA Kibitoshin is too high, he should be around SSJ Goku and Vegeta's level. Vegetto is too close from Buuhan, i would put him 2-3x stronger at least. And why did Goku and Vegeta got stronger? Vegeta didn't keep his body, and Goku was just watching Gohan's training.
    - Raditz scouter stated exactly 1307 if I remember correctly. I will just remove Popo and Kami because they don't fight and it was pointless to list them.

    - What's wrong with Dodoria at 22,000? By the way I will make Monster Zarbon 32,000. Will add post Recoome Vegeta, I will make him 60k.

    - About Mecha Freezer, why wouldn't he walk around at full power? No one commented he wasn't if I remember correctly. Everyone was incredibily scared. I'll fix Yamcha and Tenshinan.

    - Was it ever stated that Piccolo was above Trunks before merging with Kami? Krillin wouldn't get much stronger as he had his potential unlocked on Namek.

    - Grade 2 did slow them down, just not as much as Grade. As for Cell, I remember Kami saying he was the real threat, not the androids. I wouldn't make him weaker than 18, unless I'm forgetting something. I also don't want him to get crazy strong just by absorbing people, his main source of power should still be the androids.

    - Gohan being worried doesn't exactly mean the kids were that strong. They were still below Piccolo. I think Gohan was worried seeing Goten being just 6 and having that power + SSJ. I'll fix the Kaioshin, Piccolo and Yakon.

    - I'll fix Kibitoshin and Goku and Vegeta post fusion. About Vegetto, I think the gap might be enough, and I want to continue the list with Super so I prefer to keep Vegetto as low as possible.

    Thanks for the help! :thumbup:
    -Gohan did some kind of power up after Raditz reads his level, and Raditz seems to be really weakened by the attack.

    -I just thought twice about that. Dodoria can really be 22,000; K2 Goku was dominated by Vegeta and it was almost the same gap between Vegeta and Dodoria, plus Dodoria shitting on his pants and not trying to fight back could be enough to Vegeta one-shotting him.

    -Mecha Freeza is bulk when using his max, and Gohan stated he wasn't at full power. Piccolo was confident on taking Androids who could rekt Trunks, and dominated Gero even better than Goku dominated #19. Krillin can grow stronger after the potential unlock, we saw Gohan after getting his potential unlocked wasn't even at 1% of his true potential. Also, you made Krillin almost twice stronger on the 7 years timekisp.

    -It was never implied the Grade 2 slow down, the real trouble of grade 2 was the strain. And just like DanielSSJ said, that could be a premonition, Cell was getting even stronger as the time passes.

    -I really think the kids are under Piccolo but not by a big gap, we saw they are faster than Weighted Piccolo, and also Trunks was able to hit Vegeta on the face.

    -I'll be waiting for your DBS list!
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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:29 pm

    emperior wrote:Power Level List
    I'd put Piccolo on par or somewhat higher than Vegeta when Mecha Freeza shows up. He's the first person Goku asks when the topic of "Who the hell managed to kill Freeza instead of me?!" gets brought up. Hell, that quote could infer that Piccolo's already been boosted up a fair amount into his eventual pre-Kami fusion level of strength.
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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:23 pm

    What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?

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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:33 pm

    TheUltimateNinja wrote:What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?
    If Vegeta's a 10 in Grade 2, I'd probably make Cell a 14-16.
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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by Doctor. » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:39 pm

    TheUltimateNinja wrote:What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?
    25%, just enough so that the Final Flash can damage him and Trunks' Grade 3 can become more powerful.

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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:39 pm

    ekrolo2 wrote:
    TheUltimateNinja wrote:What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?
    If Vegeta's a 10 in Grade 2, I'd probably make Cell a 14-16.
    SS Grade 2 Vegeta > Initial Perfect Cell

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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:42 pm

    The problem is I have Cell's initial power at Imperfect Cell + 17 + 18, but with this arrangement he ends up only around ~10% stronger than Grade 2 Vegeta.
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    TheUltimateNinja wrote:What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?
    If Vegeta's a 10 in Grade 2, I'd probably make Cell a 14-16.
    SS Grade 2 Vegeta > Initial Perfect Cell
    I mean when Cell stops toying with Vegeta.

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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by dragonball0900 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:54 pm

    TheUltimateNinja wrote:What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?
    Well to be fair, this gap between their powers (and the one with Android 16 and Semi Perfect Cell) is the one that initially prevented me to make the Buu arc/BOG arc base saiyans below Frieza. Although now I managed to fit everything. I have the gap between ASSJ Vegeta and Initial Perfect Cell like a 1.2 of difference, slightly above 15% of difference (with the one with Android 16 and Semi Perfect Cell like a 1.5, somewhere above 30% of difference).

    Here are my power levels:

    Android 16 - 540,000,000

    Semi Perfect Cell - 825,000,000

    ASSJ Vegeta - 1,125,000,000

    Initial Perfect Cell - 1,350,000,000

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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:18 pm

    TheUltimateNinja wrote:What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?
    1.28x and i have the gap getting smaller when Vegeta goes FP to fire the the Final Flash. I also have a almost 2x gap between Cell and the FF.
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    Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

    Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:23 pm

    dragonball0900 wrote:
    TheUltimateNinja wrote:What kind of gap do you guys have between Initial Perfect Cell and Grade 2 Vegeta?
    Well to be fair, this gap between their powers (and the one with Android 16 and Semi Perfect Cell) is the one that initially prevented me to make the Buu arc/BOG arc base saiyans below Frieza. Although now I managed to fit everything. I have the gap between ASSJ Vegeta and Initial Perfect Cell like a 1.2 of difference, slightly above 15% of difference (with the one with Android 16 and Semi Perfect Cell like a 1.5, somewhere above 30% of difference).

    Here are my power levels:

    Android 16 - 540,000,000

    Semi Perfect Cell - 825,000,000

    ASSJ Vegeta - 1,125,000,000

    Initial Perfect Cell - 1,350,000,000
    Where does Cell get that power from, though? Shouldn't he just be Semi Perfect Cell + 18?

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