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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:48 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:It could work having Grade II = 55x multiplier and Grade II = 60x?
Those multipliers seem pretty small to me. Besides, the multiplier for SSGIII should be bigger enough than SSGII for SSGIII Trunks to be noticeably stronger than a Cell who was clearly stronger than SSGII Vegeta.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:57 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:It could work having Grade II = 55x multiplier and Grade II = 60x?
I find that it works best to have Grade 2 right smack between regular Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 at 75x base power, give or take. Grade 3 would be about as strong as Super Saiyan 2 at 100x base power.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:17 am

jeffbr92 wrote:It could work having Grade II = 55x multiplier and Grade II = 60x?
Nop, it's ridiculously small. Cell totally clowned Vegeta, tanking his kick and his Ki Blasts like nothing, but said SSJG3 Trunks surpassed him by a wide margin. I like to think SSJG3 = SSJ2 and SSJG2 is somewhere between SSJ and SSJ2.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by supersaiyangodgogeta » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:01 am

Grade 3 is stated to be 10x stronger than Grade 2, so there is plenty of room for Grade 2 Vegeta, Cell and Grade 3 Trunks.

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"Trunks adquiere una fuerza 10 veces superior, pero su capacidad de movimiento es más limitada."

"Trunks acquires a force 10 times greater, but his movement skills are more limited."

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:27 am

supersaiyangodgogeta wrote:Grade 3 is stated to be 10x stronger than Grade 2, so there is plenty of room for Grade 2 Vegeta, Cell and Grade 3 Trunks.

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"Trunks adquiere una fuerza 10 veces superior, pero su capacidad de movimiento es más limitada."

"Trunks acquires a force 10 times greater, but his movement skills are more limited."
I strongly question the validity of this source.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:49 am

DanielSSJ wrote: I strongly question the validity of this source.
Yeah, me too. Besides, 10x greater than what? SS Trunks, SSGII Trunks or SSGII Vegeta?
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:26 am

DBZ Macky wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote: I strongly question the validity of this source.
Yeah, me too. Besides, 10x greater than what? SS Trunks, SSGII Trunks or SSGII Vegeta?
Me too, but i'm pretty sure it's 10x is last form (G2)
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by emperior » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:44 am

Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x
Super Saiyan (SSJ) - 50x
Super Saiyan 2 (SSJ2) - 100x
Super Saiyan 3 (SSJ3) - 400x
Super Saiyan God (SSG) - 40,000x


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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:11 pm

emperior wrote:Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x
Super Saiyan (SSJ) - 50x
Super Saiyan 2 (SSJ2) - 100x
Super Saiyan 3 (SSJ3) - 400x
Super Saiyan God (SSG) - 40,000x


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Bardock - 2,500
Gine - 1,000

Bardock (Last Stand) - 10,000[/spoiler]


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- Shin should be way stronger than Piccolo in the Boo arc.
- Gohan's Super Saiyan multiplier is not different in Super. It still 50 times like the rest.
- Black was described to be only a little stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:24 pm

ZombieVito wrote:- Gohan's Super Saiyan multiplier is not different in Super. It still 50 times like the rest.
Gohan was stated to be the strongest and put up a (slightly) better fight than Piccolo against Tagoma. Unless Piccolo was 50x weaker than SS Gohan, I find this unlikely.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:27 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:- Gohan's Super Saiyan multiplier is not different in Super. It still 50 times like the rest.
Gohan was stated to be the strongest and put up a (slightly) better fight than Piccolo against Tagoma. Unless Piccolo was 50x weaker than SS Gohan, I find this unlikely.
And that got proven wrong yesterday. Gohan doesn't have a single drop of his Ultimate power after episode 7 and until episode 88.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by jeffbr92 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:22 pm

Some people may disconsider other might others might embrace it, but what multiplier would you give to Mystic/Ultimate?
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:26 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:Some people may disconsider other might others might embrace it, but what multiplier would you give to Mystic/Ultimate?
None at all, it inherently has no widely-applicable "multiplier" because it's an unlock of dormant power, and that's different for everyone. Gohan ended up being massively powerful because he's always had a disproportionately large amount of power under the surface, but most other people wouldn't get as much out of it.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by jeffbr92 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:30 pm

Kaboom wrote:
jeffbr92 wrote:Some people may disconsider other might others might embrace it, but what multiplier would you give to Mystic/Ultimate?
None at all, it inherently has no widely-applicable "multiplier" because it's an unlock of dormant power, and that's different for everyone. Gohan ended up being massively powerful because he's always had a disproportionately large amount of power under the surface, but most other people wouldn't get as much out of it.
How can you confirm that with so sure? We don't know that man and Super confirms that Mystic is a transformation, so it should have a multiplier
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:15 pm

I don't know how much more simply it can be explained... the Elder Kaioshin's ritual was a dormant power unlock, and so Gohan's strength is a direct result of his own particular amount of dormant power. That part doesn't change whether it's a permanent new base form as the manga portrays it, or a transformation like the animated stuff treats it. Either way the amount of dormant power is unique to Gohan, regardless of how he accesses it.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:33 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:Some people may disconsider other might others might embrace it, but what multiplier would you give to Mystic/Ultimate?
It depends on the person. I have Gohan's at 1,500 times his normal base in the Boo arc.

I also do believe that with training the multiplier for the form can increase.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:16 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:Some people may disconsider other might others might embrace it, but what multiplier would you give to Mystic/Ultimate?
Given that "Ultimate" Gohan is just all of Gohan's dormant power brought to the surface, I see no reason why there should be a static power boost. Functionally, Gohan got about 3,000 times stronger than normal, based on my numbers (subject to change).

As far as Super portraying it as a separate form, I just ignore that. The way the manga portrayed it, it was just a permanent change to his base form, and that's how I treat it.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Mon May 01, 2017 2:47 pm

Which gap should be greater: Initial Semi Perfect Cell at Android 16 or Initial Perfect Cell at SSJG2 Vegeta?
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon May 01, 2017 3:18 pm

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:Which gap should be greater: Initial Semi Perfect Cell at Android 16 or Initial Perfect Cell at SSJG2 Vegeta?
Probably the one between Semi-perfect Cell and No. 16. Perfect Cell smoked Vegeta, but he couldn't tank the Final Flash. While No. 16 didn't try to his Cell with any charged attacks, I doubt he would've gotten better results than Vegeta.
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