Whatever the power difference is, it doesn't really matter since the kids never had a serious fight or accomplished anything without Fusion (or even with it, really). I kind of arbitrarily put them right on the same level as Piccolo, about half as strong as the adults. Which is being generous if you ask me.Darkron2151 wrote:@Kaboom, what are your thoughts on the levels/gaps of the Children (Goten & Trunks) in relation to the Adults (Vegeta, Goku, Gohan) and even Piccolo?
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Assuming that Fat Boo is about twice as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 and that Super Saiyan Gotenks is at least as strong as Fat Boo, I'd put Ultimate Gohan at around 5 or 6 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.Zombie wrote:So how many times stronger you guys have Gohan over SSJ3 Goku in the Buu arc?
I know you didn't ask me, but as long as the kids are stronger than Android 18 by a decent amount but weaker than the adult Super Saiyans, anything could work.Darkron2151 wrote:@Kaboom, what are your thoughts on the levels/gaps of the Children (Goten & Trunks) in relation to the Adults (Vegeta, Goku, Gohan) and even Piccolo?
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Thanks for the quick replies. Another thing I wanted to ask is what gap do you guys have for Pure Buu and Goku.
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I have SS3 Gotenks as exactly 3 times stronger than Goku and Gohan decently above that:
SS3 Goku: 40
SS Gotenks: 40
-2: 60
-3: 120
Ultimate Gohan: 150.
I use wonky fusion multipliers and rules though, explained here and here, if you are interested to find out exactly what that entails.
SS3 Goku: 40
SS Gotenks: 40
-2: 60
-3: 120
Ultimate Gohan: 150.
I use wonky fusion multipliers and rules though, explained here and here, if you are interested to find out exactly what that entails.
Dead even.Zombie wrote:Thanks for the quick replies. Another thing I wanted to ask is what gap do you guys have for Pure Buu and Goku.
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Fairly small. The difference between an 8 and a 9. In fact, on my power level list, SS3 Goku is at 36 billion and Pure Boo is at 32 billion. Goku's crappy stamina and Boo's regeneration helps even the odds.Zombie wrote:Thanks for the quick replies. Another thing I wanted to ask is what gap do you guys have for Pure Buu and Goku.
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A practically non-existent one. Goku has a very, VERY tiny power edge in my eyes. Boo more than makes up for with his stamina and regeneration, which gives him an advantage in their fight that just increases over time.Zombie wrote:Another thing I wanted to ask is what gap do you guys have for Pure Buu and Goku.
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I wouldn't consider giving Gohan great difficulty in a sparring match or even landing a hit on Vegeta as not accomplishing anything.Kaboom wrote:Whatever the power difference is, it doesn't really matter since the kids never had a serious fight or accomplished anything without Fusion (or even with it, really).
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I have them dead even. The only real reason Goku was losing IMO was because of SSJ3's drawbacks (especially in a living body) and Buu's Hax stamina/regeneration.Zombie wrote:Thanks for the quick replies. Another thing I wanted to ask is what gap do you guys have for Pure Buu and Goku.
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I don't really use anything but actual serious fights — where Fighter A is trying their best to incapacitate Fighter B and vice-versa — to judge characters' power. Anything else has too many variables.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:I wouldn't consider giving Gohan great difficulty in a sparring match or even landing a hit on Vegeta as not accomplishing anything.
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Screw it I'll make then even then. Thanks.
Speaking of the kids. How big of a boost do you guys think the RoSaT gave them? 10%? 20%?
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Well, for me, I had the kids around 25% off of Gohan and the Adults as it was. So I kinda nerfed their gains somewhat in order to not be tremendously over the adults, but to be caught up.Zombie wrote:Screw it I'll make then even then. Thanks.
Speaking of the kids. How big of a boost do you guys think the RoSaT gave them? 10%? 20%?
Now that I think about it, I can just bring the Pre-ROSAT kids down a bit just so that they're still behind the adults Post-ROSAT (status quo) and it makes Gotenks' gains seem much better.
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Try 250%Zombie wrote:Screw it I'll make then even then. Thanks.
Speaking of the kids. How big of a boost do you guys think the RoSaT gave them? 10%? 20%?
In any case I believe the fused warrior's power is entirely dependent on the fuseés and that Gotenks can't improve independently, thus the very fact he has SS3 is because Goten and Trunks' power increased enough to make it happen.
Basically low tier Super Saiyans would not produce a SS3 fusion, but high tier Super Saiyans would.
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I'm in the opposite boat as dbgtFO... There was no mention or indication that the individual kids had powered up noticeably, so I don't think they grow proportionately stronger along with Gotenks or vice-versa. It seems to me that when the Fusion trains, it's the Fusion itself that becomes stronger somewhat independently of his parts (though if his two halves slack off and get weaker, the Fusion probably would too). So the kids would only be moderately stronger. When I make lists, I usually don't even bother coming up with different numbers for the kids.Zombie wrote:Speaking of the kids. How big of a boost do you guys think the RoSaT gave them? 10%? 20%?
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What are ya'll's thoughts on all of the Kaioshin (North, South, East, West, Dai)? As well as Kibito and also Kibitoshin? How strong were they compared to Buu (Pure)?
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I believe all of them are weaker than SSJ2 Gohan.Darkron2151 wrote:What are ya'll's thoughts on all of the Kaioshin (North, South, East, West, Dai)? As well as Kibito and also Kibitoshin?
Numbers:
Kibitoshin: 6,000,000,000
South Kaioshin: 5,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin: 4,000,000,000
West Kaioshin: 3,500,000,000
North Kaioshin: 3,200,000,000
East Kaioshin: 2,800,000,000
Kibito: 50,000,000
Old Kaioshin: 5,000,000
I have Pure Buu at 32,000,000,000
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What are your guys thoughts on Buff Boo? (aka Pure Boo + South Kaioshin)
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I think he's a swell guy. A bit rowdy. Needs to lay off the steroids a bit.DanielSSJ wrote:What are your guys thoughts on Buff Boo? (aka Pure Boo + South Kaioshin)
But in all seriousness, I have it like this (for now):
- Pure Buu: 24
Evil Boo: 80
Buff Boo: 88
Gotenks (SSJ3): 96
Ultimate Gohan: 120
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For the three non-East Kaioshin... I don't really have any opinions, since I don't pay any mind to filler when I twirl my finger to magically create numbers.Darkron2151 wrote:What are ya'll's thoughts on all of the Kaioshin (North, South, East, West, Dai)? As well as Kibito and also Kibitoshin? How strong were they compared to Buu (Pure)?
But East Kaioshin seems to be just a step behind Goku at the Cell Games in power. That's significantly ahead of Piccolo, but outmatched by Dabra and the Boo-arc Super Saiyans. Kibito is down there with the base Saiyans below Freeza, as he's specifically said to be comparable to base Gohan in battle power. He and Kaioshin aren't an optimal match for Fusion, so they only get a few times stronger via the Potara. That puts them on a high Super Saiyan 2 level of power. Possibly stronger than Vegeta was during the final battle with Boo, but less useful due to all-around ineptitude and being more valuable for teleporting and healing.
He's noticeably stronger than regular Evil Boo... but I'd bet Ultimate Gohan could still take him.DanielSSJ wrote:What are your guys thoughts on Buff Boo? (aka Pure Boo + South Kaioshin)
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They surpassed Vegeta and got strong enough to fight equally a form of Boo which even Goku wasn't willing to fight. Then, I guess at least 5 times as strong as they were before splitting back at Boo's farm.Zombie wrote:Speaking of the kids. How big of a boost do you guys think the RoSaT gave them? 10%? 20%?
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Does anyone have a fusion equation for potara or fusion dance? Just curious as to if anyone actually does (especially potara, concerning Vegetto and Kibitoshin). And if anyone does what are your levels for:
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(*=Hypothetical)
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