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by ekrolo2 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:11 pm
So, I've tweaked my manga Black arc power levels with a few alterations from last time and some explanations, primarily for Black.
Multipliers:
Super Saiyan - x50
Super Saiyan 2 - x100
- Strengthened SS2 - x375
- Quake of Fury SS2 - x30,000
Super Saiyan 3 - x400
Super Saiyan God - x100,000
Super Saiyan Blue - x200,000
Super Saiyan Rose - x80 (Black's Base, I'll explain down below)
The Good Guys:
[spoiler]Goku:
- 2 (Base)
- 100 (SS1)
- 200 (SS2)
- 800 (SS3)
- 200,000 (SSGod)
- 400,000 (SSBlue)
Vegeta:
- 2 (Base)
- 100 (SS1)
- 200 (Regular SS2)
- 60,000 (Quake of Fury)
- 400,000 (SSBlue)
Trunks:
- 2.2
- 110
- 220
- 825
I considered making the Base Saiyan's higher but given the fact Goku and Vegeta worked like maniacs only to somewhat bypass SS2 Gohan from the Cell Games, there was no way for me to make Trunks that strong without trying to shoehorn in Zenkai retroactively into the old material which is tricky, to say the least. Regardless, Base Saiyan's here are between 200-202 million in Base.
Vegeta also has a line where he comments on how his SS2 is more powerful thank Trunks' confirming that his rage boost against Beerus was either a permanent power up to his SS2 or a powered up state of it he can flip on and off. Similar to how Trunks himself can use the standard SS2 more then increase it to SS3 tier.[/spoiler]
The Bad Guys:
[spoiler]Zamasu:
- 70
This is a hard one to nail down but we do know Zamasu can fairly easily defeat Kibito and that Kaioshin is greatly impressed by his power. Goku also powers down in chapter 20 to fight Zamasu which means he isn't much power wise in the grand scheme.
Black :
Pre-First Zenkai
- 900
- 45,000
Post-First Zenkai
- 10,000
- 500,000
Post-Second Zenkai
- 10,000
- 500,000
- 800,000
So, we know that Base Black could trounce SS2 Trunks who was roughly on par with SS3 Goku. Vegeta also comments on his SS2 being far superior to Trunks' so that creates the scale of chapter 19 where Vegeta, with just his boosted SS2, can overwhelm Black as a Super Saiyan. Then the first Zenkai turned the tables, allowing SS Black to fight Vegeta, he doesn't completely outclass him as Vegeta manages to somewhat hold his own but the tide did turn.
Here's the one that hinges on future chapters: the reason Black isn't overwhelmingly stronger in his second Zenkai is that I think he hit the limit of Goku's power by obtaining Rose (or his version of Blue) after Zamasu healed him. I believe that his Goku, from whichever point in the future he took his body from, was likely quite a bit stronger than current Goku and that his maximum strength is a sort of ceiling of power Black's Zenkai strive to bring him to. Just ahead of using Rose, Black mentions that every time he heals his mind becomes more in tune with Goku's body, similar to the battle memories of the manga. He also comments that Vegeta is at the perfect level to help him ascend, implying once more an anime-esque system where he's growing stronger based on who he's fighting.[/spoiler]
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
