Hugo Boss wrote:PFM18 wrote:Hugo Boss wrote:
I just noted that your figure for SS2 Gohan, if divided by 100 (using the 50-fold for SS and the 2-fold for SS2), would be about over 110 million, which would make Base Gohan very close to Freeza’s figure of 120 million and give little room for Goku to be stronger than Gohan and be still not quite at the level that he can face Freeza without resorting to any sort of transformation. So, I would probably shrink those gaps a lot. Thinking that Base Goku by the Boo Arc would have a powerlevel of over 50 million seems crazy for me. I would work around the idea that he has much less than that.
I have to make the gaps that large for the statements to make sense. I could and probably will make them slightly smaller but I don't know where to change the calculations. But why would it seem crazy for Boo Arc Goku to be over 50M in his Base Form? he went from being far weaker than far weaker than 17 and 18 to being on par with the Suppressed Perfect Form Cell. For him to go from slightly stronger than Freeza at 3M in Base to being on par with Suppressed Cell that has to yield atleast a 30x increase in power.(If you go by astronomy/destructive capabilities it would have to be 3,000x stronger but that is dumb.) Then he trains for 7 years after that and gets much stronger. The way that I rationalize it is that Goku was around 120M in Base when he fought Beerus but since it was around that level then Beerus wasn't sure if he could beat Freeza.
For me to make these numbers work then Vegeta has to be about 10x stronger post ROSAT and Goku's 50% ssj has to be signifcantly stronger than him. If we assume that Goku's 50% was about 25% stronger than Vegeta(would qualify as being significant) then we can say that Goku at full power was 2.5x stronger than Vegeta was at the time. So ultimately Goku at the cell games has to be atleast 10*2.5=25 times stronger than when SSJ Vegeta first showed up. So the lowest I can possibly go with Goku's base is 75M and that is assuming that Vegeta's Base wasn't stronger than Goku's base on Namek.
Beerus implies Goku has no chance against Freeza, which would be weird if they had equal battle powers. By my standards, anything below 100 million is acceptable. But I personally think it should be far below to be easy to note.
Then, the gaps. You put a considerable difference between SS Vegeta and No.18, when it was implied the stamina was the main issue Vegeta had in that fight. Also, second-form Cell, what does make you think the power-up was that huge? It follows up that Super Vegeta is almost 2 times as strong as well.
Personally, the androids up to No.16 would have a powerlevel around 200~350 millions. Cell’s 2nd form would be about 400~500 millions. Super Vegeta possibly over 500 millions. Goku at over 1.2 billion and Gohan at 2.5 billion in his SS2 form. Cell would stack somewhere between Goku and Gohan. This way, Base Gohan would have a battle power of 25 million. By extension, Goku can become stronger up to 35 million maybe and not be a threat to Freeza.
I coded 18 to be 1.5x stronger than SSJ Vegeta. She crushed him with little effort but I can see how you came to that conclusion. The figure that I got for Semi-Cell was by adding Android 17 and Imperfect Cell(post absorptions) and then adding an additional 50% strength to that result. I figured since Semi-Cell dominated 16 after he achieved the form and since he was designed to absorb 17 and 18 then they would yield a higher than normal increase in power.(Hence the 50% boost.) Vegeta I coded being 70% stronger than Semi-Cell because of the domination and an attempt to fit the fact that Vegeta implied he increased in strength 10-fold.
When I take out the 50% boost to the result for Semi-Cell then all the numbers go down and it looks like this.(And it gives Piccolo an indirect boost since everybody else becomes "weaker".)
Then it would look like this:
[spoiler]Future Trunks Super Saiyan: 157.5 Million
Post Namek Goku Super Saiyan: 180 Million
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 207 Million
Android 18: 310 Million
Android 17: 335 Million
Imperfect Cell(pre-absorption): 268 Million
Super Namekian Piccolo: 342 Million
Android 16: 469 Million
Imperfect Cell(post-absorption): 474 Million
Semi-perfect Cell: 810 Million
Super Vegeta: 1376 Million
Super Trunks: 1307 Million
Perfect form Cell(Suppressed): 1927 Million
Ultra Trunks: 1961 Million
Mastered Super Saiyan Goku: 3440 Million
Full-Powered Perfect form Cell: 5161 Million
Mastered Super Saiyan Gohan: 3784 Million
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 7569 Million
Super Perfect Cell: 7190 Million
Super Saiyan Trunks(Cell games): 1961 Million
Super Saiyan Vegeta(Cell games): 2064 Million
Piccolo(Cell Games) 1710 Million[/spoiler]
The current one I am using looks like this:
[spoiler]Future Trunks Super Saiyan: 180 Million
Post Namek Goku Super Saiyan: 182 Million
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 225 Million
Android 18: 338 Million
Android 17: 364 Million
Imperfect Cell(pre-absorption): 292 Million
Super Namekian Piccolo: 372 Million
Android 16: 510 Million
Imperfect Cell(post-absorption): 515 Million
Semi-perfect Cell: 880 Million
Super Vegeta: 1584 Million
Super Trunks: 1505 Million
Perfect form Cell(Suppressed): 2217 Million
Ultra Trunks: 2257 Million
Mastered Super Saiyan Goku: 3960 Million
Full-Powered Perfect form Cell: 5939 Million
Mastered Super Saiyan Gohan: 4356 Million
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 8712 Million
Super Perfect Cell: 8275 Million
Super Saiyan Trunks(Cell games): 2257 Million
Super Saiyan Vegeta(Cell games): 2376 Million
Piccolo(Cell Games) 1859 Million[/spoiler]
Where Gohan's base comes out to be 87M and you could push Buu arc Goku's base to be 100M with no problems(Side note making these changes took 10 seconds by just changing one number in my code lol)
