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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by miguelnuva1 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:30 am

Bullza wrote:
Alruneia wrote:What's the straw breaking the camel's back in this case? I'm assuming you didn't get to the dragons, since I don't see any mention of them.
I'm at the start of the Shadow Dragon Saga now so I'll see what I run into there.

The show seems to have been inconsistent from the start. Goku transforms to fight Ledgic, Mutchy and Luud but then it's heavily implied that Rilldo is the strongest but Goku was stronger than him without transforming.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku was way outmatched by Super Saiyan Baby Vegeta but Strongest Form 2 Baby Vegeta really struggled against Majuub who sorta lost on purpose anyway. Then by the next saga Majuub wailed away at Super 17 and couldn't budge him....but Super Saiyan Goku hit him so hard he went half way around the Earth. Even Vegeta performed better than Majuub and he appeared to be even weaker than Base Goku before.

So either Majuub was actually weaker than Super Saiyan Goku the entire time, Super 17 just let himself have more trouble with Super Saiyan Goku for the fun of it or Goku grew enormously more powerful between the two sagas from doing next to nothing.
Goku trained for a year from the Bebi fight to the Super 17 fight same as Vegeta.

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Post by Champa The Destroyer » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:56 am

I've decided to make a power levels chart with every Arc of Super, one arc at a time, with power levels scaled down for obvious reasons.

SS3 Goku: 1
SS2 Vegeta: 0.3
Ultimate Gohan: 3
SS3 Gotenks: 2.5
Beerus (ridiculously Suppressed): 100
Rage Vegeta: 10
Mr. Boo: 0.27
Android 18: 0.19
Krillin: 0.004
SS God Goku (initial): 15,000
SS God Goku (full power at the end of the firm's limit): 20,000
Beerus (against God Goku): 25,000
SS Goku (God Essence): 20,000
Base Goku (God Essence): 400
Whis: ???


This is it for the BOG Arc! Please let me know your opinions in this.

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Post by Mattias_ » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:52 pm

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Well, this is the Ultimate Power Levels Guide by me. No multipliers, no SSJ craps, no Daizenshuu wrong info, no useless multi thousands units. I don't speak english very well but I give you the Power Levels right now. Let's begin with the First Arc on the Manga.
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Green color means characters that are potential city or mountains busters.
Blue color means potential planet busters.
Red color means potential solar systems or Universe busters.

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01 - EMPEROR PILAF SAGA:

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 100
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 1,000 [Ozharu]

Kame'Sen'Nin 亀仙人 - 125
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 80


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02 - RED RIBBON ARMY SAGA:

Kame'Sen'Nin 亀仙人 - 135
Kuririn クリリン - 110
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 85

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 135
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 1,350 (Ozharu)

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Tao Pai Pai 桃白白 - 150
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 135

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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 165


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03 - EARTH DEMON SAGA:

Kame'Sen'Nin 亀仙人 - 150
Kuririn クリリン - 148
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 120

Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 180
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 182

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Yajirobe ヤジロベー - 170
Piccolo Daimao ピッコロ大魔王 - 290

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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 335 [Max. Power]
Piccolo Daimao ピッコロ大魔王 - 330 [Max. Power]

Mr. Popo - 390
God 神 - 500


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Tao Pai Pai 桃白白: 190 (Cyborg)

Kuririn クリリン - 188
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 145
Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 215

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 500 [Without weights / Full Power]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 495 [Without weights]


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04 - SUPER SAIYAN SAGA:

Human 農家 - 5
Piccolo ピッコロ - 332
Raditz ラディッツ - 1,220
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 334


Son Gokū 孫 悟空: 416 [Without weights]
Piccolo ピッコロ: 408 [Without weights]

Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 924 [by Son Goku]
Makankosappo 魔貫光殺砲 - over 1,330 [by Piccolo]

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 1,307


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Kame'Sen'Nin 亀仙人 - 139
Kuririn クリリン - 206
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 177
Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 250
Piccolo ピッコロ - 329
KaioSama 北の界王 - 2,100


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Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 981
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,220
Kuririn クリリン - 1,083
Cultiwars 栽培マン - 1,200

Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 1,400
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 1,290
Kuririn クリリン - 1,420
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,880
Masenko 龍拳 - 2,800 [by Son Gohan]

Nappa ナッパ - 7,600


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 8,100
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 14,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,240 (Kaioken)
Vegeta ベジータ - 18,000


Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 26,630 [Son Goku - Kaiokenx3]
Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 32,840 [Son Goku - Kaioken x4]

Vegeta ベジータ - less than 4,000 (Artificial Moon)
Vegeta ベジータ - around 40,000 (Ozharu)


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Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 1,490
Kuririn クリリン - 1,510

Kwi キュイ - 18,000
Namekian warriors 戦士タイプ - 1,000
Namekian warriors 戦士タイ - 3,000 (Max. Power)
Vegeta ベジータ - 24,000 [First Zenkai after Earth]

Dodoria ドドリア - 21,000
Zarbón ザーボン - 21,500
Zarbón ザーボン - 27,100 (Transformed)
Vegeta ベジータ - 24,000 [Second Zenkai after Earth]
Kuririn クリリン - 10,500
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 12,000



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Gurd グルド - 1,000
Rikkumuh リクーム - 50,000
Buttao バター - 50,000
Yiza ジース - 50,000
Captain Ginyu ギニュー - 120,000

Nail ネイル - 42,000


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 90,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 180,000 [Kaioken]
Captain Ginyu ギニュー - 23,000 (Body change)
Vegeta ベジータ - over 100,000 [Third Zenkai after Earth]
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 12,000 [Second Zenkai after Earth]

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Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 530,000
Vegeta ベジータ - 380,000

Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 1,060,000 [Second form]
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 600,000 [Third Zenkai after Earth / Max. Power]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,150,000 [Without weights / Fused with Nail]
Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 1,510,000 [Third form]
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 1,400,000 [Fourth Zenkai after Earth / Max. Power]


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Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,140,000 [True form]
Vegeta ベジータ - 1,540,000 ([Fourth Zenkai after Earth / Max. Power]
Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,200,000


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 200,000

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 1,600,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 2,000,000 [Kaioken x10]
Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,425,000 [50% Power]
Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - around 2,290,000 [by Son Goku / Kaioken x20]
GenkiDama 元気玉 - 2,240,000 [by Son Goku]

Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 4,850,000 [100% Max. Power]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000,000 [The Legendary Super Saiyan]


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BONUS I - RED RIBBON PART II:

[spoiler]Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,180,000
Korudo Daio コルド大王 - 2,150,000

Trunks トランクス - 5
Trunks トランクス - 4,800,000 [Super Saiyan]

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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 210,000
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,200,000
Kuririn クリリン - 16,000
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 2,000
Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 4,500

Dr. Gero Dr. ゲロ - 1,800,000
Jinzoningen #19 人造人間19号 - 1,650,000 [Absorbed ki]

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - less than 5,250,000 [Super Saiyan]
Vegeta ベジータ - 5,275,000 [Super Saiyan]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,840,000 [Without weights]


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Lapis 人造人間17号 - 5,500,000
Lazuli 人造人間18号 - 5,500,000
Jinzoningen #16 人造人間16号 - 5,800,000

Trunks トランクス - 5,200,000 [Super Saiyan]

Cell セル - 2,500,000


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Piccolo ピッコロ - 5,490,000 [Fused with KamiSama]

Cell セル - 5,790,000
Cell セル - 8,540,000 [Lapis absorbed]


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Vegeta ベジータ - 8,600,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Max. Power]

Cell セル - 10,800,500 [Lazuli absorbed]
Trunks トランクス - over 10,800,500 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Max. Power]


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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 10,200,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan]
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 10,100,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 6,100,000
Vegeta ベジータ - 9,800,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan]
Trunks トランクス - 9,750,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan]


Mark "Hercule" ミスター・サタン - 30

Cell セル - 10,850,000

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 11,250,000 [Super Saiyan 2]
Cell セル - 11,280,000 [Zenkai]
Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 13,000,000 [by Son Goku & Son Gohan]
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BONUS II - THE FINAL SAGA:

[spoiler]Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 10,000,000 [Super Saiyan]

Son Goten 孫 悟天 - 2,180,000 [Super Saiyan]
Trunks トランクス - 2,200,000 [Super Saiyan]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 6,220,000
Shin 界王神 - 6,400,000

Dabura ダーブラ - 10,800,000


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 11,280,000 [Super Saiyan 2]
Vegeta ベジータ - 11,280,000 [Super Saiyan 2]


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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 12,600,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - over 12,640,000 [Super Saiyan 3]


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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 14,000,000
Gotenks ゴテンクス - 14,230,000,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan 3]

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 14,350,000

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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 14,400,000 [Gotenks absorbed]

KibitoShin 東の界王神 -10,000,000

Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 15,000,000 [Son Gohan absorbed]
Vegetto ベジット - 18,000,000 [Super Saiyan]


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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 12,750,000

Vegeta ベジータ - 12,000,000 [Super Saiyan 2]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 13,000,000 [Super Saiyan 3 / Max. Power]

GenkiDama 元気玉 - 14,500,000 [by Son Goku]
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BONUS III - TOYORARO'S MANGA:

[spoiler]Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - over 12,650,000 [Super Saiyan 3]
Vegeta ベジータ - 14,400,000 [Super Saiyan 2 / Max. Power]

Beerus ビルス - over 20,000,000 [Low power / Active]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,000,000 [Super Saiyan God]


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Universe 6 fighter Botamo ボタモ - 1,000,000
Universe 6 fighter Emperor Sir Frost フロスト - 6,400,000[True form]

Piccolo ピッコロ - 6,500,000

Universe 6 fighter Magetta オッタマゲッタ - 10,000,000

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,300,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Blue]
Vegeta ベジータ - 16,150,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Blue]

Universe 6 fighter Kyabe キャベ - 9,750,000,000 [Super Saiyan]

Universe 6 fighter Hit ヒット - 16,350,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,365,000 [Super Saiyan Blue / Max. Power]


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Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - 10,100,000

Vegeta ベジータ - 16,300,000 [Super Saiyan Blue]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,400,000 [Super Saiyan Blue]
Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - 15,900,000 [Son Goku's body / Zenkai / Super Saiyan 2]

Vegeta ベジータ - 16,495,000 [Zenkai / Super Saiyan God / Max. Power]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,500,000 [Zenkai / Super Saiyan God / Max. Power]
Trunks トランクス - over 13,500,000 [Super Saiyan 2 / Max. Power]
Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - less than 16,480,000 [Son Goku's body / Super Saiyan Blue A.K.A. Rosé]

Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - 20,000,000 [Perfect God]
Vegetto ベジット - 20,250,000 [Super Saiyan Blue


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Kuririn クリリン - 17,000
Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 20,000

Universe 6 fighter Emperor Sir Frost フロスト - 6,900,000[True form]

Universe 6 fighter Hit ヒット - 16,800,000

Lazuli 人造人間18号 - 7,200,000
Piccolo ピッコロ - 6,850,000
Universe 4 fighter Gamisaras - 5,750,000
Universe 4 fighter Damon - 5,755,000


Universe 6 fighter Caulifla - 13,000,000 [Super Saiyan / Max. Power]
Universe 6 fighter Kyabe キャベ - 12,000,000 [Super Saiyan]
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Top 25 powerful characters:

[spoiler]1 - DaiShinKan - unknown
2 - All angels - unknown
3 - All GoD's - unknown
4 - Jiren - unknown
5 - Some possible fighters (Freezer / Toppo / Kale / Lapis / Anilaza / Maji Kayo / Dyspo / Son Gohan) - unknown / over 20,000,000
6 - Future Zamasu - 20,000,000 units
7 - Son Goku - over 16,800,000 / over 20,000,000
8 - Vegeta - over 16,800,000 / over 20,000,000
9 - Hit - 16,800,000
10 - Future Trunks - 13,500,000
11 - Caulifla - 13,000,000
12 - Evil Bu - 12,750,000
13 - Mr. Bu - 12,600,000
14 - Kyabe - 12,000,000
15 - Cell - 11,280,000
16 - Dabura - 10,800,000
17 - Zamasu - 10,100,000
18 - Magetta - 10,000,000
19 - Lazuli - 7,200,000
20 - Piccolo - 6,850,000
21 - All Kaio - around 6,500,000
22 - Shin - 6,400,000
23 - Androide 16 - 5,800,000
24 - Damon - 5,755,000
25 - Gamisaras - 5,750,000[/spoiler]

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Others Facts:

[spoiler]-The final Spirit Bomb can't destroy Shin Bu.
-Kuririn is weakest than Vegeta in his first arrival on Earth in the Tournament Of Power.
-Tenshinhan is weakest than Dodoria in the Tournament Of Power.
-Vegeta SSJ2 in the KaioShin Planet is weaker than the Father-Son Kamehameha.[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:42 pm

I may as well keep going as I'm nearing the end, so I'll try and make sense of the Shadow Dragon Saga. I've still got 4 episodes left until I finish the show.

I'm not really bothered with the first four Shadow Dragons so I'll ignore them. As for Nuova and Eis Shenron would we say they are stronger than Golden Great Ape Baby?

Syn Shenron beat the tar out of SSJ4 Goku the same as Super 17 did but again would Syn Shenron be stronger?

Omega Shenron is supposedly ten times stronger than Syn Shenron. When Goku is powered up beyond his limits would he also be ten times stronger than before? Gohan said he couldn't tell who was stronger between Goku and Omega Shenron. Goku also probably put up a better fight against Omega Shenron actually.

Then there's Vegeta....as a SSJ4 would he be equal to the SSJ4 Goku who fought Super 17 or the SSJ4 Goku who passed his limits and fought Omega Shenron? Apparently he's confident in beating Syn Shenron so you'd think the latter even though that makes zero sense at all.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:21 am

Champa The Destroyer wrote:I've decided to make a power levels chart with every Arc of Super, one arc at a time, with power levels scaled down for obvious reasons.

SS3 Goku: 1
SS2 Vegeta: 0.3
Ultimate Gohan: 3
SS3 Gotenks: 2.5
Beerus (ridiculously Suppressed): 100
Rage Vegeta: 10
Mr. Boo: 0.27
Android 18: 0.19
Krillin: 0.004
SS God Goku (initial): 15,000
SS God Goku (full power at the end of the firm's limit): 20,000
Beerus (against God Goku): 25,000
SS Goku (God Essence): 20,000
Base Goku (God Essence): 400
Whis: ???


This is it for the BOG Arc! Please let me know your opinions in this.
Those numbers are pretty much identical to what I have for the relevant portions. I would push Gotenks and Gohan a little higher but those characters are pretty irrelevant so it doesnt really matter lol.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:51 am

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:I've decided to make a power levels chart with every Arc of Super, one arc at a time, with power levels scaled down for obvious reasons.

SS3 Goku: 1
SS2 Vegeta: 0.3
Ultimate Gohan: 3
SS3 Gotenks: 2.5
Beerus (ridiculously Suppressed): 100
Rage Vegeta: 10
Mr. Boo: 0.27
Android 18: 0.19
Krillin: 0.004
SS God Goku (initial): 15,000
SS God Goku (full power at the end of the firm's limit): 20,000
Beerus (against God Goku): 25,000
SS Goku (God Essence): 20,000
Base Goku (God Essence): 400
Whis: ???


This is it for the BOG Arc! Please let me know your opinions in this.
Those numbers are pretty much identical to what I have for the relevant portions. I would push Gotenks and Gohan a little higher but those characters are pretty irrelevant so it doesnt really matter lol.


I had just thought that in the 4 year gap between Z and and the beginning of Super, that Goku has probably gotten recently stronger and we know that the hybrids don't train. I'm going to do the RoF Arc sometime today, and everything gets more difficult from here.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:01 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:I've decided to make a power levels chart with every Arc of Super, one arc at a time, with power levels scaled down for obvious reasons.

SS3 Goku: 1
SS2 Vegeta: 0.3
Ultimate Gohan: 3
SS3 Gotenks: 2.5
Beerus (ridiculously Suppressed): 100
Rage Vegeta: 10
Mr. Boo: 0.27
Android 18: 0.19
Krillin: 0.004
SS God Goku (initial): 15,000
SS God Goku (full power at the end of the firm's limit): 20,000
Beerus (against God Goku): 25,000
SS Goku (God Essence): 20,000
Base Goku (God Essence): 400
Whis: ???


This is it for the BOG Arc! Please let me know your opinions in this.
Those numbers are pretty much identical to what I have for the relevant portions. I would push Gotenks and Gohan a little higher but those characters are pretty irrelevant so it doesnt really matter lol.


I had just thought that in the 4 year gap between Z and and the beginning of Super, that Goku has probably gotten recently stronger and we know that the hybrids don't train. I'm going to do the RoF Arc sometime today, and everything gets more difficult from here.
Yeah that makes sense. I really like these numbers.

When you do ROF are you going to stick to the scale having SSJ3 Goku being a 1?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:54 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Those numbers are pretty much identical to what I have for the relevant portions. I would push Gotenks and Gohan a little higher but those characters are pretty irrelevant so it doesnt really matter lol.


I had just thought that in the 4 year gap between Z and and the beginning of Super, that Goku has probably gotten recently stronger and we know that the hybrids don't train. I'm going to do the RoF Arc sometime today, and everything gets more difficult from here.
Yeah that makes sense. I really like these numbers.

When you do ROF are you going to stick to the scale having SSJ3 Goku being a 1?

Yes. The issue I'm having is if I should put SSB Goku (ROF) at like a 30,000 compared to SS God's 20,000, or more like 40,000.


This is the perfect time for the ROF Arc!

Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (base): approximately 0.015
Gohan (SS): 0.75
Gotenks: ??? (Not quite sure)
Tagoma-Ginyu: 0.5
Base Goku: 440
Base Vegeta: 440
Final Form Freeza: 425 (slightly weaker than Goku)
SSB Goku: 44,000
SSB Vegeta: 44,000
Golden Freeza: 45,500
Golden Freeza (tired): 19,000 (he got destroyed by Vegeta so badky I would put him slightly weaker than SS God Goku)

The main problem I had in this arc is Gohan and Gotenks. If I remember correctly, there was a line about Tagoma or Gohan being comparable to Ultimate Gohan, but I can't see him stronger than SS3 Goku since he hasn't trained. I have no idea where Gotenks would be, I guess 2.5 like in the BOG Arc?

Btw, for a bonus:
SS God Mr. Satan: 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


Next up: U6 Arc!

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:32 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:


I had just thought that in the 4 year gap between Z and and the beginning of Super, that Goku has probably gotten recently stronger and we know that the hybrids don't train. I'm going to do the RoF Arc sometime today, and everything gets more difficult from here.
Yeah that makes sense. I really like these numbers.

When you do ROF are you going to stick to the scale having SSJ3 Goku being a 1?

Yes. The issue I'm having is if I should put SSB Goku (ROF) at like a 30,000 compared to SS God's 20,000, or more like 40,000.


This is the perfect time for the ROF Arc!

Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (base): approximately 0.015
Gohan (SS): 0.75
Gotenks: ??? (Not quite sure)
Tagoma-Ginyu: 0.5
Base Goku: 440
Base Vegeta: 440
Final Form Freeza: 425 (slightly weaker than Goku)
SSB Goku: 44,000
SSB Vegeta: 44,000
Golden Freeza: 45,500
Golden Freeza (tired): 19,000 (he got destroyed by Vegeta so badky I would put him slightly weaker than SS God Goku)

The main problem I had in this arc is Gohan and Gotenks. If I remember correctly, there was a line about Tagoma or Gohan being comparable to Ultimate Gohan, but I can't see him stronger than SS3 Goku since he hasn't trained. I have no idea where Gotenks would be, I guess 2.5 like in the BOG Arc?

Btw, for a bonus:
SS God Mr. Satan: 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


Next up: U6 Arc!
You didn't give a number for first form Freeza! Generally I think these figures look good. But I have to wonder why you think Goku only got 10% stronger in his training with Whis? Whis is very strong and gave them pretty intense training so it makes sense that he would gain a pretty huge boost especially with all the comments that Whis made about their progress. And I'm not sure why you made SSB only 2x stronger than SSG.

Clearly you lowballed God Mr. Satan! He is atleast 10^1,000 of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:08 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Yeah that makes sense. I really like these numbers.

When you do ROF are you going to stick to the scale having SSJ3 Goku being a 1?

Yes. The issue I'm having is if I should put SSB Goku (ROF) at like a 30,000 compared to SS God's 20,000, or more like 40,000.


This is the perfect time for the ROF Arc!

Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (base): approximately 0.015
Gohan (SS): 0.75
Gotenks: ??? (Not quite sure)
Tagoma-Ginyu: 0.5
Base Goku: 440
Base Vegeta: 440
Final Form Freeza: 425 (slightly weaker than Goku)
SSB Goku: 44,000
SSB Vegeta: 44,000
Golden Freeza: 45,500
Golden Freeza (tired): 19,000 (he got destroyed by Vegeta so badky I would put him slightly weaker than SS God Goku)

The main problem I had in this arc is Gohan and Gotenks. If I remember correctly, there was a line about Tagoma or Gohan being comparable to Ultimate Gohan, but I can't see him stronger than SS3 Goku since he hasn't trained. I have no idea where Gotenks would be, I guess 2.5 like in the BOG Arc?

Btw, for a bonus:
SS God Mr. Satan: 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


Next up: U6 Arc!
You didn't give a number for first form Freeza! Generally I think these figures look good. But I have to wonder why you think Goku only got 10% stronger in his training with Whis? Whis is very strong and gave them pretty intense training so it makes sense that he would gain a pretty huge boost especially with all the comments that Whis made about their progress. And I'm not sure why you made SSB only 2x stronger than SSG.

Clearly you lowballed God Mr. Satan! He is atleast 10^1,000 of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hmmmmmm, I guess First Form Freeza could be anywhere from 5-10? We barely see him do anything at all so it's difficult to place him. I honestly didn't think about Base Form Goku barely getting a boost, so that was a mistake. I would probably put him and Vegeta at about 850, an over 2 times boost but nothing insane quite yet (that'll happen in the Goku Black Arc and TOP). Now that I have Base Goku and Base Vegeta much higher I would put Blue much higher, probably around 80,000 for both Goku and Vegeta. This would put Golden Freeza at about 83,500, and I would keep tired Freeza at the same since he's so weak.


Should I edit my previous post to include the new numbers or should I just make a new post of the ROF Arc with the new numbers?

Also I might put up the U6 Arc sometime today.

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Post by jeffbr92 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:51 am

Mattias_ wrote:Well, this is the Ultimate Power Levels Guide by me. No multipliers, no SSJ craps, no Daizenshuu wrong info, no useless multi thousands units. I don't speak english very well but I give you the Power Levels right now. Let's begin with the First Arc on the Manga.[/align]

Excellent list. It really avoids any power inflation we are used to deal on the Freeza arc and onwards, good job.
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Post by PFM18 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:31 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:

Yes. The issue I'm having is if I should put SSB Goku (ROF) at like a 30,000 compared to SS God's 20,000, or more like 40,000.


This is the perfect time for the ROF Arc!

Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (base): approximately 0.015
Gohan (SS): 0.75
Gotenks: ??? (Not quite sure)
Tagoma-Ginyu: 0.5
Base Goku: 440
Base Vegeta: 440
Final Form Freeza: 425 (slightly weaker than Goku)
SSB Goku: 44,000
SSB Vegeta: 44,000
Golden Freeza: 45,500
Golden Freeza (tired): 19,000 (he got destroyed by Vegeta so badky I would put him slightly weaker than SS God Goku)

The main problem I had in this arc is Gohan and Gotenks. If I remember correctly, there was a line about Tagoma or Gohan being comparable to Ultimate Gohan, but I can't see him stronger than SS3 Goku since he hasn't trained. I have no idea where Gotenks would be, I guess 2.5 like in the BOG Arc?

Btw, for a bonus:
SS God Mr. Satan: 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


Next up: U6 Arc!
You didn't give a number for first form Freeza! Generally I think these figures look good. But I have to wonder why you think Goku only got 10% stronger in his training with Whis? Whis is very strong and gave them pretty intense training so it makes sense that he would gain a pretty huge boost especially with all the comments that Whis made about their progress. And I'm not sure why you made SSB only 2x stronger than SSG.

Clearly you lowballed God Mr. Satan! He is atleast 10^1,000 of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hmmmmmm, I guess First Form Freeza could be anywhere from 5-10? We barely see him do anything at all so it's difficult to place him. I honestly didn't think about Base Form Goku barely getting a boost, so that was a mistake. I would probably put him and Vegeta at about 850, an over 2 times boost but nothing insane quite yet (that'll happen in the Goku Black Arc and TOP). Now that I have Base Goku and Base Vegeta much higher I would put Blue much higher, probably around 80,000 for both Goku and Vegeta. This would put Golden Freeza at about 83,500, and I would keep tired Freeza at the same since he's so weak.


Should I edit my previous post to include the new numbers or should I just make a new post of the ROF Arc with the new numbers?

Also I might put up the U6 Arc sometime today.

Just make a new post with new numbers. First Form Freeza is stronger than the Gohan who's base had surpassed Piccolo.(Which, is pretty damn strong if his base is stronger than Piccolo when Piccolo is normally SSJ Saiyans level.) And you have to think Piccolo wouldn't have been as frightened by First Form Freeza if he thought SSJ3 Gotenks could beat him like he did Super Buu. I think First Form Freeza is a bit stronger than Super Buu.

But yeah Base Goku barely getting a boost seems strange since he got the training from Whis. It should be atleast 2x IMO. I Disagree with the Super Saiyan Blue multiplier being only 2x over SSG. At first during this time we had no idea how things went in regards to the Super Saiyan God forms since now Goku had absorbed the power and attained a monumentally large boost. Beerus and Goku stated he had the same strength as SSG in SSJ after the SSG power had left him etc etc. But after that point Goku could still go SSG after he trained with Whis and harnessed God Ki. We didn't know this for certain during this time but it was confirmed in the ToP. But for Goku to have the same SSG boost he got before after he had absorbed the power would be just ridiculous. He would have gotten the giant SSG boost twice. That would be very overpowered and that doesn't appear to be the case.

During BoG we were told that SSG was astronomically stronger than SSJ3 and it provides a larger boost than the potara fusion does. We find out that during the ToP neither of these things are true anymore. Goku goes SSJ3 against the U6 Saiyans and then SSG and the boost he gains doesn't appear to be that large. And then in the fight with Kefla we can clearly see that her potara fusion boost was far larger than the boost that Goku got as going SSG. If the boost stayed the same, since Caulifla and Goku's base were about equal, then SSG Goku would have stomped SSJ2 Kefla. That tells us that the multiplier for SSG must have changed.(It had to, like I said it would be ridiculous if he got the same boost twice.) Then we see that Goku fights Base Kefla as a SSG, and SSJ Kefla as a SSB and the gap between them seems to stay the same. As the name of the name of the form and the description of the form seems to imply, I think SSG->SSB yields a 50x boost.

I think that numerically things look like this:(Where Base Goku BoG is a 1 here)
Goku(pre-ritual)
Base-1
SSJ-50
SSJ2-100
SSJ3-400
SSG-8,000,000(20,000x multiplier)
Goku(post-ritual)
Base-160,000
SSJ-8,000,000
SSJ2-16,000,000
SSJ3-64,000,000
SSG-128,000,000

And SSB is 50x the SSG value. Keep in mind I am just using these numbers to illustrate how the multiplier has changed and how Goku's power changed after he absorbed the SSG from the ritual.

Keep in mind this only applies to the anime. In the manga the scaling and multipliers are COMPLETELY different.

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Post by PFM18 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:28 am

The point of the matter is the boost from SSG must have changed pre-ritual and post ritual and SSG->SSB must be a much larger boost than just 2x.

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Post by jeffbr92 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:29 pm

Can we consider Hatchyack to be much more stronger than Broly or just a bit?
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Post by Mattias_ » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:59 pm

jeffbr92 wrote: Excellent list. It really avoids any power inflation we are used to deal on the Freeza arc and onwards, good job.
Yes!!

Thanks for reading!

Any suggestion, you're welcome!
POWER LEVELS: (Updated / Restored / Leveled / No multiplier nor daizenshuu wrong info)
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14197&p=1519362#p1519362 Check it out if you want some information.

POWER LEVELS:

Jaco the Patrolman vol. I - XI
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Dragon Ball vol. I - XLII
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Post by SonofthePrince » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:39 pm

PFM18 wrote:
SonofThePrince wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by SEG, but it is rather impossible for base Goku to still be below Freeza. I know most of his strength comes from his transformations, but that BoG line was pretty much the ultimate plotholes of plotholes. And to be fair, this guide was made a long time ago, you can't really get mad at it if it starts clashing with the newer material.
It isn't a plothole at all. If anything, it gives people a nice guideline to go by instead of guessing how large these gaps must be. The only thing that even kind of contradicts this is Vegeta commenting he can win the tournament without using SSJ during the Buu Arc despite Piccolo and 18 being there. This can easily be dismissed by Vegeta's cockiness. Power levels can still work and fit within the statements and feats while keeping Buu Arc Goku at around 100M or even less. For that matter, that's how my numbers came out without even adjusting for it.

Either way, the statement during BoG is about a million times more reputable than "El Legendario" or whatever.
It's been awhile since I posted that. I'm starting to see your point, but I still use that guidebook for the sole reason that the fifty times multiplier for SSJ only ever refers to SSJ on Namek. Further transformations only ever state how much more powerful they are compared to SSJ, which is the one we see from the Cell Games and onward. To me, even if their base forms are less than 120 million, it would make sense if their transformations had the potential to grow much more powerful than they intially are.

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Post by Bullza » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:55 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:Can we consider Hatchyack to be much more stronger than Broly or just a bit?
Presumably the Z Fighters would be the same strength and considering the sheer difficulty they had with Broly then if Hatchback was too much more powerful then they wouldn't have won at all.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:11 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:I've decided to make a power levels chart with every Arc of Super, one arc at a time, with power levels scaled down for obvious reasons.

SS3 Goku: 1
SS2 Vegeta: 0.3
Ultimate Gohan: 3
SS3 Gotenks: 2.5
Beerus (ridiculously Suppressed): 100
Rage Vegeta: 10
Mr. Boo: 0.27
Android 18: 0.19
Krillin: 0.004
SS God Goku (initial): 15,000
SS God Goku (full power at the end of the firm's limit): 20,000
Beerus (against God Goku): 25,000
SS Goku (God Essence): 20,000
Base Goku (God Essence): 400
Whis: ???


This is it for the BOG Arc! Please let me know your opinions in this.
Are you going to continue your DBS power levels? I hope you didn't stop because you felt attacked by me. I was just tryna give constructive feedback

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:31 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:I've decided to make a power levels chart with every Arc of Super, one arc at a time, with power levels scaled down for obvious reasons.

SS3 Goku: 1
SS2 Vegeta: 0.3
Ultimate Gohan: 3
SS3 Gotenks: 2.5
Beerus (ridiculously Suppressed): 100
Rage Vegeta: 10
Mr. Boo: 0.27
Android 18: 0.19
Krillin: 0.004
SS God Goku (initial): 15,000
SS God Goku (full power at the end of the firm's limit): 20,000
Beerus (against God Goku): 25,000
SS Goku (God Essence): 20,000
Base Goku (God Essence): 400
Whis: ???


This is it for the BOG Arc! Please let me know your opinions in this.
Are you going to continue your DBS power levels? I hope you didn't stop because you felt attacked by me. I was just tryna give constructive feedback


Sorry, I've been really caught up in things lately, and I haven't has much time to be on Kanzenshuu at all aside from a post or two (and perhaps I forgot briefly :P )

I do plan on continuing and I didn't take any offense at all from your feedback, it's actually appreciated. :)


PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
You didn't give a number for first form Freeza! Generally I think these figures look good. But I have to wonder why you think Goku only got 10% stronger in his training with Whis? Whis is very strong and gave them pretty intense training so it makes sense that he would gain a pretty huge boost especially with all the comments that Whis made about their progress. And I'm not sure why you made SSB only 2x stronger than SSG.

Clearly you lowballed God Mr. Satan! He is atleast 10^1,000 of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hmmmmmm, I guess First Form Freeza could be anywhere from 5-10? We barely see him do anything at all so it's difficult to place him. I honestly didn't think about Base Form Goku barely getting a boost, so that was a mistake. I would probably put him and Vegeta at about 850, an over 2 times boost but nothing insane quite yet (that'll happen in the Goku Black Arc and TOP). Now that I have Base Goku and Base Vegeta much higher I would put Blue much higher, probably around 80,000 for both Goku and Vegeta. This would put Golden Freeza at about 83,500, and I would keep tired Freeza at the same since he's so weak.


Should I edit my previous post to include the new numbers or should I just make a new post of the ROF Arc with the new numbers?

Also I might put up the U6 Arc sometime today.

Just make a new post with new numbers. First Form Freeza is stronger than the Gohan who's base had surpassed Piccolo.(Which, is pretty damn strong if his base is stronger than Piccolo when Piccolo is normally SSJ Saiyans level.) And you have to think Piccolo wouldn't have been as frightened by First Form Freeza if he thought SSJ3 Gotenks could beat him like he did Super Buu. I think First Form Freeza is a bit stronger than Super Buu.

But yeah Base Goku barely getting a boost seems strange since he got the training from Whis. It should be atleast 2x IMO. I Disagree with the Super Saiyan Blue multiplier being only 2x over SSG. At first during this time we had no idea how things went in regards to the Super Saiyan God forms since now Goku had absorbed the power and attained a monumentally large boost. Beerus and Goku stated he had the same strength as SSG in SSJ after the SSG power had left him etc etc. But after that point Goku could still go SSG after he trained with Whis and harnessed God Ki. We didn't know this for certain during this time but it was confirmed in the ToP. But for Goku to have the same SSG boost he got before after he had absorbed the power would be just ridiculous. He would have gotten the giant SSG boost twice. That would be very overpowered and that doesn't appear to be the case.

During BoG we were told that SSG was astronomically stronger than SSJ3 and it provides a larger boost than the potara fusion does. We find out that during the ToP neither of these things are true anymore. Goku goes SSJ3 against the U6 Saiyans and then SSG and the boost he gains doesn't appear to be that large. And then in the fight with Kefla we can clearly see that her potara fusion boost was far larger than the boost that Goku got as going SSG. If the boost stayed the same, since Caulifla and Goku's base were about equal, then SSG Goku would have stomped SSJ2 Kefla. That tells us that the multiplier for SSG must have changed.(It had to, like I said it would be ridiculous if he got the same boost twice.) Then we see that Goku fights Base Kefla as a SSG, and SSJ Kefla as a SSB and the gap between them seems to stay the same. As the name of the name of the form and the description of the form seems to imply, I think SSG->SSB yields a 50x boost.

I think that numerically things look like this:(Where Base Goku BoG is a 1 here)
Goku(pre-ritual)
Base-1
SSJ-50
SSJ2-100
SSJ3-400
SSG-8,000,000(20,000x multiplier)
Goku(post-ritual)
Base-160,000
SSJ-8,000,000
SSJ2-16,000,000
SSJ3-64,000,000
SSG-128,000,000

And SSB is 50x the SSG value. Keep in mind I am just using these numbers to illustrate how the multiplier has changed and how Goku's power changed after he absorbed the SSG from the ritual.

Keep in mind this only applies to the anime. In the manga the scaling and multipliers are COMPLETELY different.



So if I have SSG (BOG Arc) at 20,000, and Base Goku and Vegeta (ROF) at 850, that would make a hypothetical SSG at approximately 40,000-45,000, and in turn, maybe a SSB at 2,000,000? With that, Golden Freeza would be at about 2,150,000, enough to have the upper hand initially, but not enough to outright stomp. With Gohan, making him in base equal to Piccolo would put his SS form at 4.5, probably too high but could be justified because I believe there was a line about Tagoma being as strong as Ultimate Gohan.

So for this, I will put this as my updated chart:


Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000

The U6 Arc coming soon, to a thread near you!

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:00 am

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:I've decided to make a power levels chart with every Arc of Super, one arc at a time, with power levels scaled down for obvious reasons.

SS3 Goku: 1
SS2 Vegeta: 0.3
Ultimate Gohan: 3
SS3 Gotenks: 2.5
Beerus (ridiculously Suppressed): 100
Rage Vegeta: 10
Mr. Boo: 0.27
Android 18: 0.19
Krillin: 0.004
SS God Goku (initial): 15,000
SS God Goku (full power at the end of the firm's limit): 20,000
Beerus (against God Goku): 25,000
SS Goku (God Essence): 20,000
Base Goku (God Essence): 400
Whis: ???


This is it for the BOG Arc! Please let me know your opinions in this.
Are you going to continue your DBS power levels? I hope you didn't stop because you felt attacked by me. I was just tryna give constructive feedback


Sorry, I've been really caught up in things lately, and I haven't has much time to be on Kanzenshuu at all aside from a post or two (and perhaps I forgot briefly :P )

I do plan on continuing and I didn't take any offense at all from your feedback, it's actually appreciated. :)


PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:



Hmmmmmm, I guess First Form Freeza could be anywhere from 5-10? We barely see him do anything at all so it's difficult to place him. I honestly didn't think about Base Form Goku barely getting a boost, so that was a mistake. I would probably put him and Vegeta at about 850, an over 2 times boost but nothing insane quite yet (that'll happen in the Goku Black Arc and TOP). Now that I have Base Goku and Base Vegeta much higher I would put Blue much higher, probably around 80,000 for both Goku and Vegeta. This would put Golden Freeza at about 83,500, and I would keep tired Freeza at the same since he's so weak.


Should I edit my previous post to include the new numbers or should I just make a new post of the ROF Arc with the new numbers?

Also I might put up the U6 Arc sometime today.

Just make a new post with new numbers. First Form Freeza is stronger than the Gohan who's base had surpassed Piccolo.(Which, is pretty damn strong if his base is stronger than Piccolo when Piccolo is normally SSJ Saiyans level.) And you have to think Piccolo wouldn't have been as frightened by First Form Freeza if he thought SSJ3 Gotenks could beat him like he did Super Buu. I think First Form Freeza is a bit stronger than Super Buu.

But yeah Base Goku barely getting a boost seems strange since he got the training from Whis. It should be atleast 2x IMO. I Disagree with the Super Saiyan Blue multiplier being only 2x over SSG. At first during this time we had no idea how things went in regards to the Super Saiyan God forms since now Goku had absorbed the power and attained a monumentally large boost. Beerus and Goku stated he had the same strength as SSG in SSJ after the SSG power had left him etc etc. But after that point Goku could still go SSG after he trained with Whis and harnessed God Ki. We didn't know this for certain during this time but it was confirmed in the ToP. But for Goku to have the same SSG boost he got before after he had absorbed the power would be just ridiculous. He would have gotten the giant SSG boost twice. That would be very overpowered and that doesn't appear to be the case.

During BoG we were told that SSG was astronomically stronger than SSJ3 and it provides a larger boost than the potara fusion does. We find out that during the ToP neither of these things are true anymore. Goku goes SSJ3 against the U6 Saiyans and then SSG and the boost he gains doesn't appear to be that large. And then in the fight with Kefla we can clearly see that her potara fusion boost was far larger than the boost that Goku got as going SSG. If the boost stayed the same, since Caulifla and Goku's base were about equal, then SSG Goku would have stomped SSJ2 Kefla. That tells us that the multiplier for SSG must have changed.(It had to, like I said it would be ridiculous if he got the same boost twice.) Then we see that Goku fights Base Kefla as a SSG, and SSJ Kefla as a SSB and the gap between them seems to stay the same. As the name of the name of the form and the description of the form seems to imply, I think SSG->SSB yields a 50x boost.

I think that numerically things look like this:(Where Base Goku BoG is a 1 here)
Goku(pre-ritual)
Base-1
SSJ-50
SSJ2-100
SSJ3-400
SSG-8,000,000(20,000x multiplier)
Goku(post-ritual)
Base-160,000
SSJ-8,000,000
SSJ2-16,000,000
SSJ3-64,000,000
SSG-128,000,000

And SSB is 50x the SSG value. Keep in mind I am just using these numbers to illustrate how the multiplier has changed and how Goku's power changed after he absorbed the SSG from the ritual.

Keep in mind this only applies to the anime. In the manga the scaling and multipliers are COMPLETELY different.



So if I have SSG (BOG Arc) at 20,000, and Base Goku and Vegeta (ROF) at 850, that would make a hypothetical SSG at approximately 40,000-45,000, and in turn, maybe a SSB at 2,000,000? With that, Golden Freeza would be at about 2,150,000, enough to have the upper hand initially, but not enough to outright stomp. With Gohan, making him in base equal to Piccolo would put his SS form at 4.5, probably too high but could be justified because I believe there was a line about Tagoma being as strong as Ultimate Gohan.

So for this, I will put this as my updated chart:


Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000

The U6 Arc coming soon, to a thread near you!
Ok just making sure you weren't feeling attacked. My post was pretty long-winded and could have come off as kind of rude so I tried to clear up any confusion.

Anyway,I think these numbers look REALLY good. To clarify, you are using SSJ3 Goku as a 1 on this scale like you were before? Also, it seems you left out First Form Freeza and Final Form Freeza, maybe you addressed that somewhere I'm not seeing but it appears that they are missing.

As for Tagoma, it is really confusing. Gohan says "He is as strong as me at my best" which seems to imply Ultimate Gohan, but then he defeats him even though he said he had not been training and became weaker? I don't know what to do about those.

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