It was clear Goku got stronger, but 10 times stronger would be way too much, and it's not like Hit or someone else ever commented Goku had gotten 10 times stronger since then. I have him higher than his tournament KKx2 self, which I believe makes the most sense, and Goku countered Hit's time-skip because he had already figured out how to counter it during the tournament.ekrolo2 wrote:Isn't it implied Goku's ten times stronger than he was against Hit when they fight again?emperior wrote:Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x
Super Saiyan (SSJ) - 50x
Super Saiyan 2 (SSJ2) - 100x
Super Saiyan 3 (SSJ3) - 400x
Super Saiyan God (SSG) - 40,000x
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Doesn't Hit improve his Time Skip further still though? To the point he dodges Goku's Kamehameha with Blue KKX10? That should imply quite a substantial increase if Hit's Time Skip doesn't work even on basic Blue Goku anymore.emperior wrote:It was clear Goku got stronger, but 10 times stronger would be way too much, and it's not like Hit or someone else ever commented Goku had gotten 10 times stronger since then. I have him higher than his tournament KKx2 self, which I believe makes the most sense, and Goku countered Hit's time-skip because he had already figured out how to counter it during the tournament.ekrolo2 wrote:Isn't it implied Goku's ten times stronger than he was against Hit when they fight again?emperior wrote:Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x
Super Saiyan (SSJ) - 50x
Super Saiyan 2 (SSJ2) - 100x
Super Saiyan 3 (SSJ3) - 400x
Super Saiyan God (SSG) - 40,000x
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Dragon Ball Power Levels
Dragon Ball Minus
[spoiler]Vegeta – 10,250
King Vegeta – 10,000
Bardock– 2,000
Gine – 1,000
Raditz – 500
Son Goku – 10
Jaco – 1,000
Freeza – 530,000[/spoiler]
Dragon Ball Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 30
Oozaru – 300
Muten Roshi – 64
Gyuumao– 55
Yamcha – 25
Kuririn – 20
Chi Chi – 15[/spoiler]
21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 60
Oozaru – 600
Muten Roshi – 64
Nam– 54
Kuririn – 45
Giran– 40
Yamcha – 30
Ran Fan – 28
Bacterian – 26
Oorin Temple Upperclassman – 24[/spoiler]
Red Ribbon Army Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 65
After Karin’s training – 95
Karin– 125
Arale Norimaki – 66
Bora– 56
Kuririn – 45
Ninja Murasaki– 35
Assistant Black – 40
Sergeant Metallic– 46
Pirate Robot – 48
General Blue – 50
Buyon – 60
Android 8– 70
Tao Pai Pai – 80[/spoiler]
Uranai Baba’s Tournament Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 95
Kuririn – 45
Yamcha– 30
Dracula Man – 20
Invisible Man– 25
Mummy Man – 60
Akkuman – 75
Grandpa Gohan – 90[/spoiler]
22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 170
Tenshinhan– 165
Muten Roshi – 150
Tsuru– 140
Kuririn – 124
Yamcha – 120
Chiaotzu– 110
King Chapa – 100
Panput – 40
Wolf Man – 30[/spoiler]
Piccolo Daimao Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 170
After drinking Ultra Divine Water – 240
Tenshinhan– 165
Yajirobe– 160
Muten Roshi – 150
Kuririn – 124
Yamcha – 120
Cymbal – 120
Tambourine – 150
Drum– 180
Piccolo Daimao– 200
Youth restored – 235[/spoiler]
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 240
Without weighted clothes – 405
Piccolo – 400
Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 265
Tenshinhan– 245
Kuririn – 205
Yamcha – 175
Tao Pai Pai [Cyborg] – 170
Yajirobe – 160
Chaozu – 145
King Chapa – 120
Chi Chi– 100[/spoiler]
Raditz Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307
Son Goku– 334
Without weighted clothes – 416
Piccolo – 322
Without weighted clothes – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Yajirobe – 160
Chaozu – 150
Muten Roshi – 139
Kaio of the North – 3,000
Enma Daio – 2,000
Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 265
Karin– 125
Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]
Saiyan Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,250
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,500
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,750
Kaio-Ken x4 – 33,000
Son Gohan – 1,000
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 10,000
Piccolo – 2,000
Without weighted clothes – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,875
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,250
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 975
Saibaimen – 1,200
Nappa – 7,950
Oozaru – 79,500
Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]
Namek Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000
Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 29,500
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000
Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,500
Post-recovery – 25,000
Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,500
Dende – 200
Power Unlocked – 1,000
Old Namekians – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000
Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 28,000
Gurd – 1,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000
Freeza – 530,000[/spoiler]
Freeza Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x5 – 2,500,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 3,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 4,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 200,000
Enraged – 1,500,000
Piccolo – 100,000
Without weighted clothes – 125,000
Merged with Nail – 1,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 1,250,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 795,000
Power Up – 954,000
Full Power – 1,060,000
Third Form – 1,590,000
True Form – 2,120,000
33% Power – 2,650,000
50% Power – 3,975,000
70% Power – 5,565,000
100% Power – 7,950,000[/spoiler]
Mecha Freeza Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Trunks – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Piccolo – 2,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 2,500,000
Vegeta – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 200,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 5,000
Chaozu – 2,500
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
King Cold – 5,000,000
Freeza – 4,872,500
Unseen Full Power – 9,745,000[/spoiler]
Future Arc I
[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Kid Trunks – 400,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000
Future Android 18 – 18,000,000
Future Android 17 – 20,000,000[/spoiler]
Artificial Human Arc
[spoiler]Vegeta – 2,500,000
Super Saiyan – 12,500,000
Son Goku – 2,400,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000
Trunks – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Piccolo – 8,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 10,000,000
Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 5,000
Chaozu – 2,500
Android 19 – 3,750,000
Post-absorption – 7,500,000
Android 20 – 4,000,000
Post-absorption – 8,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Android 17 – 20,000,000
Android 16 – 24,000,000
Cell – 13,750,000[/spoiler]
Cell Arc
[spoiler]Vegeta – 6,000,000
Super Saiyan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 37,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 50,000,000
Trunks – 5,760,000
Super Saiyan – 28,800,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 36,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 48,000,000
Piccolo – 16,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 20,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Android 17 – 20,000,000
Android 16 – 24,000,000
Cell – 24,000,000
Second Form – 30,000,000
Full Power – 33,000,000
Perfect Form – 36,000,000
Power Up – 45,000,000
Bulked Up – 54,000,000[/spoiler]
Cell Games Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 240,000,000
Son Goku – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Vegeta – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000
Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000
Piccolo – 50,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 62,500,000
Cell Juniors – 75,000,000
Perfect Cell – 105,000,000
Full Speed – 120,000,000
Full Power – 150,000,000
Bulked Up – 187,500,000
"Super Perfect" – 200,000,000[/spoiler]
Future Arc II
[spoiler]Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000
3 Years Later – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 90,000,000
Future Android 18 – 18,000,000
Future Android 17 – 20,000,000
Cell – 24,000,000[/spoiler]
Buu Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000
Vegeta – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 240,000,000
Majin Boost – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000
Son Gohan – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 200,000,000
Post Z-Sword – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Potential unleashed – 850,000,000
Trunks – 18,750,000
Super Saiyan – 93,750,000
Post-RoSaT – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Son Goten – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 90,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Gotenks – 90,000,000
Super Saiyan – 450,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 600,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000
Vegetto – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 10,000,000,000
Piccolo – 60,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 75,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 10,000
Yamcha – 4,000
Chaozu – 2,500
Kibito – 10,000,000
East Kaioshin - 100,000,000
West Kaioshin - 120,000,000
North Kaioshin - 125,000,000
Dai Kaioshin - 200,000,000
South Kaioshin - 250,000,000
Kibitoshin - 300,000,000
Pui Pui– 20,000
Yakon – 33,333,333
Dabra – 212,500,000
Majin Boo – 200,000,000
Power Up – 300,000,000
Power Up – 450,000,000
Full Power – 675,000,000
Evil Boo – 375,000,000
Good Boo – 300,000,000
Super Boo – 675,000,000
+ Gotenks & Piccolo – 1,500,000,000
+ Piccolo, Son Goten & Trunks – 950,000,000
+ Son Gohan, Piccolo, Son Goten & Trunks – 1,800,000,000
+ Piccolo – 750,000,000
Buff Boo – 750,000,000
Pure Boo – 500,000,000[/spoiler]
Battle of Gods Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 600,000,000
Super Saiyan [With Vegeta, Son Gohan, Trunks and Son Goten’s energy] – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan God – 12,000,000,000
Base w/ God Ki – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000
Vegeta – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Enraged] – 1,200,000,000
Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Ultimate – 850,000,000
Gotenks – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000
Mister Boo– 300,000,000
Piccolo – 72,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 90,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Beerus – 1,000,000,000
10% – 1,250,000,000
100% – 12,500,000,000
True 100% – ??[/spoiler]
Resurrection F Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 15,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 750,000,000,000
Vegeta – 15,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 750,000,000,000
Gotenks – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000
Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Piccolo – 80,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 100,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 10,000
Muten Roshi– 5,000
Jaco – 1,500
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
Sorbet – 1,250
Shisami – 25,000
Tagoma – 100,000,000
Ginyu – 125,000,000
Freeza – 1,000,000,000
True Form – 15,000,000,000
Golden Form – 900,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Champa Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 400,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x10 – 10,000,000,000,000
Vegeta – 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,000,000,000,000
Mister Boo– 30,000,000,000
Piccolo – 20,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 25,000,000,000
Son Gohan – 20,000,000,000
Botamo– 5,000,000,000
Frost – 10,000,000,000
Assault Form – 20,000,000,000
True Form – 50,000,000,000
Auta Magetta– 75,000,000,000
Cabba – 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000,000
Hit– 10,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Monaka Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,250,000,000,000
Vegeta – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,250,000,000,000
Piccolo – 25,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 31,250,000,000
Son Gohan – 25,000,000,000
Gotenks – 250,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000[/spoiler]
Future Trunks Arc
[spoiler]Future Trunks– 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000,000
Post Training – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rage – 5,000,000,000,000
Spirit Sword – 250,000,000,000,000
Son Goku – 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 600,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Enraged] – 3,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Zenkai] – 10,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x2 – 20,000,000,000,000
Vegeta – 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Post Rosat] – 10,000,000,000,000
Vegetto – 10,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 100,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 200,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 500,000,000,000,000
Piccolo – 30,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 37,500,000,000
Son Gohan – 30,000,000,000
Zamasu – 200,000,000,000
Future – 1,000,000,000,000
Black– 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose – 2,500,000,000,000
Power Up – 5,000,000,000,000
Power Up – 10,000,000,000,000
Merged Zamasu– 15,000,000,000,000
Full Power – 450,000,000,000,000
Giant Form – 150,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Hit Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku– 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 5,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 12,500,000,000,000
Vegeta – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 12,500,000,000,000
Piccolo – 250,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 312,500,000,000
Son Gohan – 250,000,000,000
Hit– 12,500,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Zen Exhibition Match Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku– 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 6,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 15,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x2 – 30,000,000,000,000
Mister Boo– 3,000,000,000,000
Gohan – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Lavenda– 300,000,000,000
Basil– 250,000,000,000
Power Up – 2,500,000,000,000
Bergamo– 400,000,000,000
Power Up – 2,000,000,000,000
Power Up (Limit) – 10,000,000,000,000
Toppo– 30,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
U7 Warriors Recruitment Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku– 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 6,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 15,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x2 – 30,000,000,000,000
Vegeta – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 15,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan– 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Ultimate – 15,000,000,000,000
Android 17 – 10,000,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 3,000,000,000,000
Post Training – 7,500,000,000,000
Piccolo – 2,500,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 3,125,000,000,000
Son Goten – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Trunks – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Kuririn – 150,000
Muten Roshi – 100,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Yamcha – 4,000
Chaozu – 2,500[/spoiler]
Dragon Ball Minus
[spoiler]Vegeta – 10,250
King Vegeta – 10,000
Bardock– 2,000
Gine – 1,000
Raditz – 500
Son Goku – 10
Jaco – 1,000
Freeza – 530,000[/spoiler]
Dragon Ball Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 30
Oozaru – 300
Muten Roshi – 64
Gyuumao– 55
Yamcha – 25
Kuririn – 20
Chi Chi – 15[/spoiler]
21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 60
Oozaru – 600
Muten Roshi – 64
Nam– 54
Kuririn – 45
Giran– 40
Yamcha – 30
Ran Fan – 28
Bacterian – 26
Oorin Temple Upperclassman – 24[/spoiler]
Red Ribbon Army Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 65
After Karin’s training – 95
Karin– 125
Arale Norimaki – 66
Bora– 56
Kuririn – 45
Ninja Murasaki– 35
Assistant Black – 40
Sergeant Metallic– 46
Pirate Robot – 48
General Blue – 50
Buyon – 60
Android 8– 70
Tao Pai Pai – 80[/spoiler]
Uranai Baba’s Tournament Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 95
Kuririn – 45
Yamcha– 30
Dracula Man – 20
Invisible Man– 25
Mummy Man – 60
Akkuman – 75
Grandpa Gohan – 90[/spoiler]
22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 170
Tenshinhan– 165
Muten Roshi – 150
Tsuru– 140
Kuririn – 124
Yamcha – 120
Chiaotzu– 110
King Chapa – 100
Panput – 40
Wolf Man – 30[/spoiler]
Piccolo Daimao Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 170
After drinking Ultra Divine Water – 240
Tenshinhan– 165
Yajirobe– 160
Muten Roshi – 150
Kuririn – 124
Yamcha – 120
Cymbal – 120
Tambourine – 150
Drum– 180
Piccolo Daimao– 200
Youth restored – 235[/spoiler]
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 240
Without weighted clothes – 405
Piccolo – 400
Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 265
Tenshinhan– 245
Kuririn – 205
Yamcha – 175
Tao Pai Pai [Cyborg] – 170
Yajirobe – 160
Chaozu – 145
King Chapa – 120
Chi Chi– 100[/spoiler]
Raditz Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307
Son Goku– 334
Without weighted clothes – 416
Piccolo – 322
Without weighted clothes – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Yajirobe – 160
Chaozu – 150
Muten Roshi – 139
Kaio of the North – 3,000
Enma Daio – 2,000
Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 265
Karin– 125
Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]
Saiyan Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,250
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,500
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,750
Kaio-Ken x4 – 33,000
Son Gohan – 1,000
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 10,000
Piccolo – 2,000
Without weighted clothes – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,875
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,250
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 975
Saibaimen – 1,200
Nappa – 7,950
Oozaru – 79,500
Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]
Namek Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000
Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 29,500
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000
Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,500
Post-recovery – 25,000
Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,500
Dende – 200
Power Unlocked – 1,000
Old Namekians – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000
Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 28,000
Gurd – 1,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000
Freeza – 530,000[/spoiler]
Freeza Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x5 – 2,500,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 3,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 4,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 200,000
Enraged – 1,500,000
Piccolo – 100,000
Without weighted clothes – 125,000
Merged with Nail – 1,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 1,250,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 795,000
Power Up – 954,000
Full Power – 1,060,000
Third Form – 1,590,000
True Form – 2,120,000
33% Power – 2,650,000
50% Power – 3,975,000
70% Power – 5,565,000
100% Power – 7,950,000[/spoiler]
Mecha Freeza Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Trunks – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Piccolo – 2,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 2,500,000
Vegeta – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 200,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 5,000
Chaozu – 2,500
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
King Cold – 5,000,000
Freeza – 4,872,500
Unseen Full Power – 9,745,000[/spoiler]
Future Arc I
[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Kid Trunks – 400,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000
Future Android 18 – 18,000,000
Future Android 17 – 20,000,000[/spoiler]
Artificial Human Arc
[spoiler]Vegeta – 2,500,000
Super Saiyan – 12,500,000
Son Goku – 2,400,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000
Trunks – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000
Piccolo – 8,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 10,000,000
Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 5,000
Chaozu – 2,500
Android 19 – 3,750,000
Post-absorption – 7,500,000
Android 20 – 4,000,000
Post-absorption – 8,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Android 17 – 20,000,000
Android 16 – 24,000,000
Cell – 13,750,000[/spoiler]
Cell Arc
[spoiler]Vegeta – 6,000,000
Super Saiyan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 37,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 50,000,000
Trunks – 5,760,000
Super Saiyan – 28,800,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 36,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 48,000,000
Piccolo – 16,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 20,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Android 17 – 20,000,000
Android 16 – 24,000,000
Cell – 24,000,000
Second Form – 30,000,000
Full Power – 33,000,000
Perfect Form – 36,000,000
Power Up – 45,000,000
Bulked Up – 54,000,000[/spoiler]
Cell Games Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 240,000,000
Son Goku – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Vegeta – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000
Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000
Piccolo – 50,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 62,500,000
Cell Juniors – 75,000,000
Perfect Cell – 105,000,000
Full Speed – 120,000,000
Full Power – 150,000,000
Bulked Up – 187,500,000
"Super Perfect" – 200,000,000[/spoiler]
Future Arc II
[spoiler]Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000
3 Years Later – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 90,000,000
Future Android 18 – 18,000,000
Future Android 17 – 20,000,000
Cell – 24,000,000[/spoiler]
Buu Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000
Vegeta – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 240,000,000
Majin Boost – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000
Son Gohan – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 200,000,000
Post Z-Sword – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Potential unleashed – 850,000,000
Trunks – 18,750,000
Super Saiyan – 93,750,000
Post-RoSaT – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Son Goten – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 90,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Gotenks – 90,000,000
Super Saiyan – 450,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 600,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000
Vegetto – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 10,000,000,000
Piccolo – 60,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 75,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 10,000
Yamcha – 4,000
Chaozu – 2,500
Kibito – 10,000,000
East Kaioshin - 100,000,000
West Kaioshin - 120,000,000
North Kaioshin - 125,000,000
Dai Kaioshin - 200,000,000
South Kaioshin - 250,000,000
Kibitoshin - 300,000,000
Pui Pui– 20,000
Yakon – 33,333,333
Dabra – 212,500,000
Majin Boo – 200,000,000
Power Up – 300,000,000
Power Up – 450,000,000
Full Power – 675,000,000
Evil Boo – 375,000,000
Good Boo – 300,000,000
Super Boo – 675,000,000
+ Gotenks & Piccolo – 1,500,000,000
+ Piccolo, Son Goten & Trunks – 950,000,000
+ Son Gohan, Piccolo, Son Goten & Trunks – 1,800,000,000
+ Piccolo – 750,000,000
Buff Boo – 750,000,000
Pure Boo – 500,000,000[/spoiler]
Battle of Gods Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 600,000,000
Super Saiyan [With Vegeta, Son Gohan, Trunks and Son Goten’s energy] – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan God – 12,000,000,000
Base w/ God Ki – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000
Vegeta – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Enraged] – 1,200,000,000
Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000
Ultimate – 850,000,000
Gotenks – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000
Mister Boo– 300,000,000
Piccolo – 72,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 90,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Beerus – 1,000,000,000
10% – 1,250,000,000
100% – 12,500,000,000
True 100% – ??[/spoiler]
Resurrection F Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 15,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 750,000,000,000
Vegeta – 15,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 75,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 750,000,000,000
Gotenks – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000
Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Piccolo – 80,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 100,000,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Kuririn – 10,000
Muten Roshi– 5,000
Jaco – 1,500
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
Sorbet – 1,250
Shisami – 25,000
Tagoma – 100,000,000
Ginyu – 125,000,000
Freeza – 1,000,000,000
True Form – 15,000,000,000
Golden Form – 900,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Champa Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 400,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x10 – 10,000,000,000,000
Vegeta – 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,000,000,000,000
Mister Boo– 30,000,000,000
Piccolo – 20,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 25,000,000,000
Son Gohan – 20,000,000,000
Botamo– 5,000,000,000
Frost – 10,000,000,000
Assault Form – 20,000,000,000
True Form – 50,000,000,000
Auta Magetta– 75,000,000,000
Cabba – 20,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000,000
Hit– 10,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Monaka Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,250,000,000,000
Vegeta – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,250,000,000,000
Piccolo – 25,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 31,250,000,000
Son Gohan – 25,000,000,000
Gotenks – 250,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 750,000,000[/spoiler]
Future Trunks Arc
[spoiler]Future Trunks– 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000,000
Post Training – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rage – 5,000,000,000,000
Spirit Sword – 250,000,000,000,000
Son Goku – 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 600,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Enraged] – 3,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Zenkai] – 10,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x2 – 20,000,000,000,000
Vegeta – 30,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Post Rosat] – 10,000,000,000,000
Vegetto – 10,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 100,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 200,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 500,000,000,000,000
Piccolo – 30,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 37,500,000,000
Son Gohan – 30,000,000,000
Zamasu – 200,000,000,000
Future – 1,000,000,000,000
Black– 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose – 2,500,000,000,000
Power Up – 5,000,000,000,000
Power Up – 10,000,000,000,000
Merged Zamasu– 15,000,000,000,000
Full Power – 450,000,000,000,000
Giant Form – 150,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Hit Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku– 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 5,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 12,500,000,000,000
Vegeta – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 12,500,000,000,000
Piccolo – 250,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 312,500,000,000
Son Gohan – 250,000,000,000
Hit– 12,500,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Zen Exhibition Match Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku– 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 6,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 15,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x2 – 30,000,000,000,000
Mister Boo– 3,000,000,000,000
Gohan – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Lavenda– 300,000,000,000
Basil– 250,000,000,000
Power Up – 2,500,000,000,000
Bergamo– 400,000,000,000
Power Up – 2,000,000,000,000
Power Up (Limit) – 10,000,000,000,000
Toppo– 30,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
U7 Warriors Recruitment Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku– 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 6,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 15,000,000,000,000
Kaioken x2 – 30,000,000,000,000
Vegeta – 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 15,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan– 300,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000,000
Ultimate – 15,000,000,000,000
Android 17 – 10,000,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 3,000,000,000,000
Post Training – 7,500,000,000,000
Piccolo – 2,500,000,000,000
Without weighted clothes – 3,125,000,000,000
Son Goten – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Trunks – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000
Android 18 – 18,000,000
Kuririn – 150,000
Muten Roshi – 100,000
Tenshinhan – 50,000
Yamcha – 4,000
Chaozu – 2,500[/spoiler]
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Don't think so. Goku only said that that technique wouldn't work on him anymore.ekrolo2 wrote:Doesn't Hit improve his Time Skip further still though? To the point he dodges Goku's Kamehameha with Blue KKX10? That should imply quite a substantial increase if Hit's Time Skip doesn't work even on basic Blue Goku anymore.emperior wrote:It was clear Goku got stronger, but 10 times stronger would be way too much, and it's not like Hit or someone else ever commented Goku had gotten 10 times stronger since then. I have him higher than his tournament KKx2 self, which I believe makes the most sense, and Goku countered Hit's time-skip because he had already figured out how to counter it during the tournament.ekrolo2 wrote: Isn't it implied Goku's ten times stronger than he was against Hit when they fight again?
He never said why and in the next episode he breaks the technique thanks to a sphere of ki.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Well we know why, it's because he's too strong for it, he even proves why when he blows it away by powering up. He has to be ten times or over ten times stronger to just power through it like that and not using the prediction tactic.ZombieVito wrote:Don't think so. Goku only said that that technique wouldn't work on him anymore.ekrolo2 wrote:Doesn't Hit improve his Time Skip further still though? To the point he dodges Goku's Kamehameha with Blue KKX10? That should imply quite a substantial increase if Hit's Time Skip doesn't work even on basic Blue Goku anymore.emperior wrote:
It was clear Goku got stronger, but 10 times stronger would be way too much, and it's not like Hit or someone else ever commented Goku had gotten 10 times stronger since then. I have him higher than his tournament KKx2 self, which I believe makes the most sense, and Goku countered Hit's time-skip because he had already figured out how to counter it during the tournament.
He never said why and in the next episode he breaks the technique thanks to a sphere of ki.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
He didn't broke it because he powered up. He creates a sphere of ki to break it and we do know that Goku can amplified his attacks to a great extent thanks to his beam clash with Zamasu.ekrolo2 wrote:Well we know why, it's because he's too strong for it, he even proves why when he blows it away by powering up. He has to be ten times or over ten times stronger to just power through it like that and not using the prediction tactic.ZombieVito wrote:Don't think so. Goku only said that that technique wouldn't work on him anymore.ekrolo2 wrote: Doesn't Hit improve his Time Skip further still though? To the point he dodges Goku's Kamehameha with Blue KKX10? That should imply quite a substantial increase if Hit's Time Skip doesn't work even on basic Blue Goku anymore.
He never said why and in the next episode he breaks the technique thanks to a sphere of ki.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
I wouldn't use that as evidence because that remains one of the stupidest things Super has ever done power wise, especially since they had KK to freely explain why Goku, who's inferior to Black and especially Vegeta, is randomly above both of them just because.ZombieVito wrote:He didn't broke it because he powered up. He creates a sphere of ki to break it and we do know that Goku can amplified his attacks to a great extent thanks to his beam clash with Zamasu.ekrolo2 wrote:Well we know why, it's because he's too strong for it, he even proves why when he blows it away by powering up. He has to be ten times or over ten times stronger to just power through it like that and not using the prediction tactic.ZombieVito wrote:
Don't think so. Goku only said that that technique wouldn't work on him anymore.
He never said why and in the next episode he breaks the technique thanks to a sphere of ki.
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Stupidest? Really?ekrolo2 wrote:I wouldn't use that as evidence because that remains one of the stupidest things Super has ever done power wise, especially since they had KK to freely explain why Goku, who's inferior to Black and especially Vegeta, is randomly above both of them just because.ZombieVito wrote:He didn't broke it because he powered up. He creates a sphere of ki to break it and we do know that Goku can amplified his attacks to a great extent thanks to his beam clash with Zamasu.ekrolo2 wrote: Well we know why, it's because he's too strong for it, he even proves why when he blows it away by powering up. He has to be ten times or over ten times stronger to just power through it like that and not using the prediction tactic.
He pretty much sacrificed his arms to win that clash. I see nothing wrong with that.
Considering that he had over a 2 times multiplier at the start of Z for his Kamehameha, I have no problem believing that Goku had a multiplier of over 10 times in that clash. Add to that almost a year of training and it makes sense for that sphere of ki to break the Time-Skip.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
I consider it stupid because we already have a costly technique built into the story (that they later use anyway) that isn't just "Goku focused harder than he's ever done before!" to perfectly explain how to gets to the top of the pecking order from being the second weakest guy present: Kaio-Ken. A technique the use later anyway when they should've from the start and no one, freaking nobody, would've complained or bated at it.ZombieVito wrote:Stupidest? Really?ekrolo2 wrote:I wouldn't use that as evidence because that remains one of the stupidest things Super has ever done power wise, especially since they had KK to freely explain why Goku, who's inferior to Black and especially Vegeta, is randomly above both of them just because.ZombieVito wrote:
He didn't broke it because he powered up. He creates a sphere of ki to break it and we do know that Goku can amplified his attacks to a great extent thanks to his beam clash with Zamasu.
He pretty much sacrificed his arms to win that clash. I see nothing wrong with that.
Considering that he had over a 2 times multiplier at the start of Z for his Kamehameha, I have no problem believing that Goku had a multiplier of over 10 times in that clash. Add to that almost a year of training and it makes sense for that sphere of ki to break the Time-Skip.
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Well considering how frequent he has done it in this arc, it can only mean that he couldn't do it freely in the Black arc.ekrolo2 wrote: I consider it stupid because we already have a costly technique built into the story (that they later use anyway) that isn't just "Goku focused harder than he's ever done before!" to perfectly explain how to gets to the top of the pecking order from being the second weakest guy present: Kaio-Ken. A technique the use later anyway when they should've from the start and no one, freaking nobody, would've complained or bated at it.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Why should the statement being made before Gotenks existed mean that it's not true? That rule seems completely arbitrary. And Goku was downplaying his strength because he wanted to give the kids a chance at saving the world; why does that diminish the validity of his statement about how strong Gotenks will be?DanielSSJ wrote:It seems extremely telling to me that the only concrete comparative statements about Gotenks were made before he ever existed, and it's by the guy who is already downplaying his own strength.
Unfulfilled? If Goku blatantly says that Gotenks will be stronger than him, then what is there to doubt? Piccolo basically confirms Gotenks' strength when he says that Gotenks "really is absolutely incredible" (Key word being: "really").DanielSSJ wrote:Gotenks is unfulfilled hype.
If anything, I would say that it's telling that Boo just happened to turn into a more powerful form just before he got a chance to fight Gotenks. Seems kind of redundant if Boo was stronger either way.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Well it seemed as though Super Saiyan Gotenks Pre Rosat was probably stronger than Fat Buu. Super Saiyan Gotenks Post Rosat would have seemingly have powered up hugely.
I wonder if it goes like this
SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > SSJ Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > Fat Buu
I wonder if it goes like this
SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > SSJ Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > Fat Buu
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
But he can still do it just fine after an exhausting beam struggle and with most of his limbs destroyed? With nary a hint of ki disorder afterwards too.ZombieVito wrote:Well considering how frequent he has done it in this arc, it can only mean that he couldn't do it freely in the Black arc.ekrolo2 wrote: I consider it stupid because we already have a costly technique built into the story (that they later use anyway) that isn't just "Goku focused harder than he's ever done before!" to perfectly explain how to gets to the top of the pecking order from being the second weakest guy present: Kaio-Ken. A technique the use later anyway when they should've from the start and no one, freaking nobody, would've complained or bated at it.
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Well it was either do it or die situation and after that he couldn't even move.ekrolo2 wrote:But he can still do it just fine after an exhausting beam struggle and with most of his limbs destroyed? With nary a hint of ki disorder afterwards too.ZombieVito wrote:Well considering how frequent he has done it in this arc, it can only mean that he couldn't do it freely in the Black arc.ekrolo2 wrote: I consider it stupid because we already have a costly technique built into the story (that they later use anyway) that isn't just "Goku focused harder than he's ever done before!" to perfectly explain how to gets to the top of the pecking order from being the second weakest guy present: Kaio-Ken. A technique the use later anyway when they should've from the start and no one, freaking nobody, would've complained or bated at it.
I thought the ki disorder thing was because he used up to 10.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Because Goku has little way of knowing for sure how powerful Gotenks would be. He made a prediction, and in my eyes, it was a little off, at least until Gotenks hoped into the Room of Spirit and Time.Analytic wrote:Why should the statement being made before Gotenks existed mean that it's not true? That rule seems completely arbitrary. And Goku was downplaying his strength because he wanted to give the kids a chance at saving the world; why does that diminish the validity of his statement about how strong Gotenks will be?
Yes, unfulfilled. While Gotenks was indeed powerful when he was finally successfully formed, his over-sized ego nearly got himself killed several times. Not very impressive for someone who would "definitely" defeat Boo. And I find it telling that when Piccolo says Gotenks is impressive, he doesn't actually say that he could beat Boo. He needs to test him to be sure.Unfulfilled? If Goku blatantly says that Gotenks will be stronger than him, then what is there to doubt? Piccolo basically confirms Gotenks' strength when he says that Gotenks "really is absolutely incredible" (Key word being: "really").
If anything, I would say that it's telling that Boo just happened to turn into a more powerful form just before he got a chance to fight Gotenks. Seems kind of redundant if Boo was stronger either way.
Look, my whole point of view with Gotenks is that there isn't much concrete information about him (aside from Daizenshuu 7 strongly implying that he didn't surpass Vegeta until after his session in the Room of Spirit and Time, but then they also say stuff like Goten being equal to Gohan, and the Cell Juniors being equal to Cell himself, so take that with what you will).
If you want to say that Gotenks is stronger than Goku from the outset and could've beaten Boo, go ahead. You could be right. But if you want to say that he didn't quite live up to the hype, you can say that too, because you could be right. I personally think that the manga implies that Gotenks isn't quite as strong as he's initially made out to be, but those are just implications. I could be interpreting it wrong. But I'm not holding my breath that some official source will spell everything out for us one day.
As an aside, I'm willing to bet that Toriyama purposely avoided direct power comparisons in regards to Gotenks because he was writing the story as he went along. The man has stated that he's changed him mind on who is stronger than who before.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
According to who? Why do you get to decide what Goku can and can't do? I would think that Goku has more knowledge on fusion than you do.DanielSSJ wrote:Because Goku has little way of knowing for sure how powerful Gotenks would be.
You skipped over the key word: "really". There's a difference between general praise (e.g. "Wow, you're incredible!") and confirmation of a statement (e.g. "Wow, you really are incredible!") The "really" basically makes it sound as if Piccolo is confirming a suspicion or an assertion made prior, which was that Gotenks would be stronger than Goku. If Gotenks didn't quite measure up to Goku's expectations, I don't think Piccolo would say that he really is incredible.DanielSSJ wrote:And I find it telling that when Piccolo says Gotenks is impressive, he doesn't actually say that he could beat Boo. He needs to test him to be sure.
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I personally think the key word in there is "but", as in “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.” Gotenks is clearly packing a lot of heat, but Piccolo isn't convinced just yet. He needs to the the kid in action.Analytic wrote:You skipped over the key word: "really". There's a difference between general praise (e.g. "Wow, you're incredible!") and confirmation of a statement (e.g. "Wow, you really are incredible!") The "really" basically makes it sound as if Piccolo is confirming a suspicion or an assertion made prior, which was that Gotenks would be stronger than Goku. If Gotenks didn't quite measure up to Goku's expectations, I don't think Piccolo would say that he really is incredible.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Well, SSJ Gotenks (Pre) was stated in an official guidebook to be weaker than Vegeta, yeah after the ROSAT he would defeat Fat Buu for sure, but prior to the ROSAT, Gotenks was still not strong enough. I'd place SSJ Gotenks (Pre) stronger than Super Perfect Cell(SSJ2 Gohan, but weaker than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.Bullza wrote:Well it seemed as though Super Saiyan Gotenks Pre Rosat was probably stronger than Fat Buu. Super Saiyan Gotenks Post Rosat would have seemingly have powered up hugely.
I wonder if it goes like this
SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > SSJ Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > Fat Buu
However, the guidebook could be wrong, and Gotenks could actually be stronger than Fat Buu even after the ROSAT. For now, I think it's better for everyone to have their own interpretation of Gotenks' power (pre).
But SSJ Gotenks (post) is surely above Fat Buu, I don't deny that at all. Comparing him to SSJ3 Goku would be the problem, but I think SSJ3 Goku would beat SSJ Gotenks in a match.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Well guys. I think it's time to show my updated power levels for the Z human warriors. Krillin, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu. All of them from each saga.
Chiaotzu:
Raditz Arc - 145
Saiyan Arc - 610
Frieza Arc - 3,000; 9,000; 18,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 20,000
Cell Arc - 25,000
Buu Arc - 30,000
In the beggining of the series, Chiaotzu starts with a power level of 145, since he's probably stronger than Roshi ever since the 23rd Budokai. He trains at Kami's palace and gets to a power level of 610, which is quite low in comparison to the other characters. After he dies during the battle with Nappa, he goes with the others to train with King Kai. After 6 days of training, Chiaotzu passes most of the Frieza arc with a power level of 3,000. 130 days pass, and Krillin and Yamcha are revived, Chiaotzu wants to stay with Tien for more time at King Kai's place. At this point Chiaotzu has a power level of 9,000. Another 130 days pass, and Chiaotzu has a power level of 18,000, that makes him equal to Saiyan Arc Vegeta. I made Chiaotzu's multiplier for his training in King Kai a x16 instead of the x20 I use for the others. This is because Chiaotzu seems to have less potential than the others, as proved in the Saiyan arc. He trains for another year with Tien, and has a power level of 20,000 by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive. Chiaotzu then goes to train intensively with Tien for 3 years, in preparation for the Androids. However, his gains are lower in comparison to the others, and is out of the game. He only manages to have a power level of 25,000. He trains for 7 years before the Buu arc, and gets to a power level of 30,000 by the time of that saga. That puts Chiaotzu at the level of Monster Zarbon and Vegeta after his second Zenkai.
Yamcha:
Raditz Arc - 177
Saiyan Arc - 1,480
Frieza Arc - 7,500; 30,000; 32,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 35,000
Cell Arc - 50,000
Buu Arc - 46,000
In the beggining of the series, Yamcha starts with a power level of 177, as stated in the manga when Bulma was reading through Raditz's scouter. He trains at Kami's palace for the saiyans' arrival, and gets a power level of 1,480 as stated in the Daizenshuu 7. He is killed by a Saibaman, and goes with the others to train with King Kai. After 6 days of training, he passes most of the Frieza arc with a power level of 7,500. 130 days pass, and he is revived, being trained with King Kai he has a power level of 30,000, that's nearly a x20 increase, that's because he trained 136 days, nearly the same amount of time as Goku's 158 days, though 3 weeks earlier, but still, unlike Goku, he had partners to fight with, thus increasing his power even better. Another 130 days pass, and Tien and Chiaotzu are revived. Yamcha at this point increased his power level a bit, a 32,000. I assume he still kept on his training, so by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive, he has a power level of 35,000. Later he trains intensively for 3 years, in preparation for the Androids. His increases are better than Chiaotzu's, and has a power level of 50,000. He's way stronger than Chiaotzu, but way weaker than the others. At his prime, he is able to fight Recoome, Burter and Jeice, all 3 at the same time, probably not defeating them unless he uses his best techniques. 7 years pass, and Yamcha loses motivation and stops training. In the Buu Arc, he has a power level of 46,000, and this time he wouldn't be able to defeat all 3 of the Ginyu Force members if they team up together, though individually Yamcha has some chance.
Tenshinhan:
Raditz Arc - 250
Saiyan Arc - 1,830
Frieza Arc - 9,000; 36,000; 73,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 85,000
Cell Arc - 120,000
Buu Arc - 180,000
In the beggining of the series, Tien starts with a power level of 250, as stated in the manga when Bulma was reading through Raditz's scouter. He trains at Kami's palace for the saiyans' arrival, and gets a power level of 1,830 as stated in the Daizenshuu 7. He battles against Nappa, and dies after using the Kikoho, and goes with the others to train with King Kai. After 6 days of training, he passes most of the Frieza arc with a power level of 9,000. 130 days pass, and Yamcha and Krillin are revived. Tien, however, wants to stay longer at King Kai's planet to train more, he has 36,000 at this point. So he trains for another 130 days, where he gets another boost up to 73,000. A year passes, Tien trains and has a reading 85,000 by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive. Later he trains intensively for 3 years, in preparation for the Androids. With the exception of Krillin, he ends up a lot higher than the other humans in terms of power, reaching to 120,000. That's equal to Captain Ginyu, and if both of them fight, I guess Tien could win if he uses his best techniques or takes care with Ginyu's changing bodies technique. He trains again for another 7 years since we know that he is always keeping up with his training. He reaches to 180,000, equal to Kaioken X2 Goku. If both were to fight, it would be similar to their old fight from the 22nd Budokai. Anyway, Tien manages to surpass the 100,000 reading ever since the Cell arc, that's good for a human that didn't receive Guru's Unlock Potential. Though he is not stronger than Krillin still.
Krillin:
Raditz Arc - 206
Saiyan Arc - 1,770
Frieza Arc - 2,000; 13,000; 23,400; 42,000; 75,000; 90,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 135,000
Cell Arc - 1,200,000
Buu Arc - 1,100,000
Now for the strongest one, Krillin. In the beggining of the series, Krillin starts with a power level of 206, as stated in the manga when Bulma was reading through Raditz's scouter. He trains at Kami's palace for the saiyans' arrival, and gets a power level of 1,830 as stated in the Daizenshuu 7. He battles against Nappa and is able to survive when Goku arrived, at this point he is still weaker than Tien. The battle with Vegeta ends, and Krillin is at hospital. They depart to Namek, and Krillin should have trained a bit during those weeks after the hospital, as well as the weeks in Kami's ship, that would make Krillin far above the 1,500 reading from Zarbon's scouter. Since Krillin had weights, his real power is much higher. I have him at 2,000. After the rescue of Dende, they decided to go to Guru's place for the dragon ball. They get there, and not only Krillin receives the dragon ball from Guru, but also a power boost, his full potential. That boost changes Krillin's status in comparison to Tien completely, making him the strongest human. The power level Krillin has after recieveing that boost is 13,000. He is defeated by Recoome, eats a senzu bean when Goku arrived, and much later when Ginyu was in Goku's body with a 23,000 reading, Krillin is able to fight equally with him, making Krillin 23,400, that's a x1.8 of difference from the previous 13,000. That multiplier would keep going, to 42,000, the level I think Krillin had when he was stabbed by Frieza. His potential continues to rise until he reaches to 75,000, his final level for Namek, right before he is killed by Frieza. That's a really high level, being able to defeat all the Ginyu Force members, except for Captain Ginyu, easily. However, he stands short (no pun intended) against the likes of Gohan, Piccolo, Goku and Vegeta. 130 days pass and Krillin is revived along with Yamcha. When Tien and Chiaotzu are revived 130 days after that event, Krillin already increased his strenght through training as well as his unlock potential, and gets to 90,000.
A year passes, and with the unlocked potential he has as well as still wanting to train, Krillin gets to 135,000 by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive. Later he trains intensively for 3 years, and gets to 1,200,000 thanks for his unlocked potential (that's also the reason I think why Piccolo and Gohan recieved high boosts during the 3 years of training). At this point, he can defeat the whole Frieza arc up to Second Form Frieza, but is defeated by Piccolo after his fusion with Nail (which I personally have him at 1,300,000). He can also defeat all the other Z humans at once. However, he doesn't train during the next 7 years, since he is married with Android 18 and has a family, as well as losing motivation to fight. He has a power level of 1,100,000. He can still defeat Second Form Frieza (who is twice the strenght of First Form Frieza, at 1,060,000) though it would be harder than before.
This is the strenght of the Z humans I give to them, for now. I tried to have the same boost as the other characters when it comes to the 3 years of training this time, with the exception of Krillin of course because of his unlocked potential. Feel free to comment about it, if you agree or disagree then you can put your opinions below.
Chiaotzu:
Raditz Arc - 145
Saiyan Arc - 610
Frieza Arc - 3,000; 9,000; 18,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 20,000
Cell Arc - 25,000
Buu Arc - 30,000
In the beggining of the series, Chiaotzu starts with a power level of 145, since he's probably stronger than Roshi ever since the 23rd Budokai. He trains at Kami's palace and gets to a power level of 610, which is quite low in comparison to the other characters. After he dies during the battle with Nappa, he goes with the others to train with King Kai. After 6 days of training, Chiaotzu passes most of the Frieza arc with a power level of 3,000. 130 days pass, and Krillin and Yamcha are revived, Chiaotzu wants to stay with Tien for more time at King Kai's place. At this point Chiaotzu has a power level of 9,000. Another 130 days pass, and Chiaotzu has a power level of 18,000, that makes him equal to Saiyan Arc Vegeta. I made Chiaotzu's multiplier for his training in King Kai a x16 instead of the x20 I use for the others. This is because Chiaotzu seems to have less potential than the others, as proved in the Saiyan arc. He trains for another year with Tien, and has a power level of 20,000 by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive. Chiaotzu then goes to train intensively with Tien for 3 years, in preparation for the Androids. However, his gains are lower in comparison to the others, and is out of the game. He only manages to have a power level of 25,000. He trains for 7 years before the Buu arc, and gets to a power level of 30,000 by the time of that saga. That puts Chiaotzu at the level of Monster Zarbon and Vegeta after his second Zenkai.
Yamcha:
Raditz Arc - 177
Saiyan Arc - 1,480
Frieza Arc - 7,500; 30,000; 32,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 35,000
Cell Arc - 50,000
Buu Arc - 46,000
In the beggining of the series, Yamcha starts with a power level of 177, as stated in the manga when Bulma was reading through Raditz's scouter. He trains at Kami's palace for the saiyans' arrival, and gets a power level of 1,480 as stated in the Daizenshuu 7. He is killed by a Saibaman, and goes with the others to train with King Kai. After 6 days of training, he passes most of the Frieza arc with a power level of 7,500. 130 days pass, and he is revived, being trained with King Kai he has a power level of 30,000, that's nearly a x20 increase, that's because he trained 136 days, nearly the same amount of time as Goku's 158 days, though 3 weeks earlier, but still, unlike Goku, he had partners to fight with, thus increasing his power even better. Another 130 days pass, and Tien and Chiaotzu are revived. Yamcha at this point increased his power level a bit, a 32,000. I assume he still kept on his training, so by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive, he has a power level of 35,000. Later he trains intensively for 3 years, in preparation for the Androids. His increases are better than Chiaotzu's, and has a power level of 50,000. He's way stronger than Chiaotzu, but way weaker than the others. At his prime, he is able to fight Recoome, Burter and Jeice, all 3 at the same time, probably not defeating them unless he uses his best techniques. 7 years pass, and Yamcha loses motivation and stops training. In the Buu Arc, he has a power level of 46,000, and this time he wouldn't be able to defeat all 3 of the Ginyu Force members if they team up together, though individually Yamcha has some chance.
Tenshinhan:
Raditz Arc - 250
Saiyan Arc - 1,830
Frieza Arc - 9,000; 36,000; 73,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 85,000
Cell Arc - 120,000
Buu Arc - 180,000
In the beggining of the series, Tien starts with a power level of 250, as stated in the manga when Bulma was reading through Raditz's scouter. He trains at Kami's palace for the saiyans' arrival, and gets a power level of 1,830 as stated in the Daizenshuu 7. He battles against Nappa, and dies after using the Kikoho, and goes with the others to train with King Kai. After 6 days of training, he passes most of the Frieza arc with a power level of 9,000. 130 days pass, and Yamcha and Krillin are revived. Tien, however, wants to stay longer at King Kai's planet to train more, he has 36,000 at this point. So he trains for another 130 days, where he gets another boost up to 73,000. A year passes, Tien trains and has a reading 85,000 by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive. Later he trains intensively for 3 years, in preparation for the Androids. With the exception of Krillin, he ends up a lot higher than the other humans in terms of power, reaching to 120,000. That's equal to Captain Ginyu, and if both of them fight, I guess Tien could win if he uses his best techniques or takes care with Ginyu's changing bodies technique. He trains again for another 7 years since we know that he is always keeping up with his training. He reaches to 180,000, equal to Kaioken X2 Goku. If both were to fight, it would be similar to their old fight from the 22nd Budokai. Anyway, Tien manages to surpass the 100,000 reading ever since the Cell arc, that's good for a human that didn't receive Guru's Unlock Potential. Though he is not stronger than Krillin still.
Krillin:
Raditz Arc - 206
Saiyan Arc - 1,770
Frieza Arc - 2,000; 13,000; 23,400; 42,000; 75,000; 90,000
Mecha Frieza Arc - 135,000
Cell Arc - 1,200,000
Buu Arc - 1,100,000
Now for the strongest one, Krillin. In the beggining of the series, Krillin starts with a power level of 206, as stated in the manga when Bulma was reading through Raditz's scouter. He trains at Kami's palace for the saiyans' arrival, and gets a power level of 1,830 as stated in the Daizenshuu 7. He battles against Nappa and is able to survive when Goku arrived, at this point he is still weaker than Tien. The battle with Vegeta ends, and Krillin is at hospital. They depart to Namek, and Krillin should have trained a bit during those weeks after the hospital, as well as the weeks in Kami's ship, that would make Krillin far above the 1,500 reading from Zarbon's scouter. Since Krillin had weights, his real power is much higher. I have him at 2,000. After the rescue of Dende, they decided to go to Guru's place for the dragon ball. They get there, and not only Krillin receives the dragon ball from Guru, but also a power boost, his full potential. That boost changes Krillin's status in comparison to Tien completely, making him the strongest human. The power level Krillin has after recieveing that boost is 13,000. He is defeated by Recoome, eats a senzu bean when Goku arrived, and much later when Ginyu was in Goku's body with a 23,000 reading, Krillin is able to fight equally with him, making Krillin 23,400, that's a x1.8 of difference from the previous 13,000. That multiplier would keep going, to 42,000, the level I think Krillin had when he was stabbed by Frieza. His potential continues to rise until he reaches to 75,000, his final level for Namek, right before he is killed by Frieza. That's a really high level, being able to defeat all the Ginyu Force members, except for Captain Ginyu, easily. However, he stands short (no pun intended) against the likes of Gohan, Piccolo, Goku and Vegeta. 130 days pass and Krillin is revived along with Yamcha. When Tien and Chiaotzu are revived 130 days after that event, Krillin already increased his strenght through training as well as his unlock potential, and gets to 90,000.
A year passes, and with the unlocked potential he has as well as still wanting to train, Krillin gets to 135,000 by the time Mecha Frieza and King Cold arrive. Later he trains intensively for 3 years, and gets to 1,200,000 thanks for his unlocked potential (that's also the reason I think why Piccolo and Gohan recieved high boosts during the 3 years of training). At this point, he can defeat the whole Frieza arc up to Second Form Frieza, but is defeated by Piccolo after his fusion with Nail (which I personally have him at 1,300,000). He can also defeat all the other Z humans at once. However, he doesn't train during the next 7 years, since he is married with Android 18 and has a family, as well as losing motivation to fight. He has a power level of 1,100,000. He can still defeat Second Form Frieza (who is twice the strenght of First Form Frieza, at 1,060,000) though it would be harder than before.
This is the strenght of the Z humans I give to them, for now. I tried to have the same boost as the other characters when it comes to the 3 years of training this time, with the exception of Krillin of course because of his unlocked potential. Feel free to comment about it, if you agree or disagree then you can put your opinions below.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Search for the Dragon Balls:
[spoiler]Goku:
100
50 (hungry)
1000 (Ozaruu)
Bulma:
2
Pterodactyl:
9
Bear thief:
15
Oolong:
2.1
Axe:
110
Pilaf:
1
Mai:
5
Shu:
3
Yamcha:
80
Puar:
2
Ox King:
500
Chi-Chi:
1.2
Master Roshi:
400
6000 (Full power)[/spoiler]
The Strongest Under the Heavens:
[spoiler]Ran Fuan:
30
Jackie Chun:
(Same as Master Roshi.)
Goku:
400
4000 (Ozaruu)
Kuririn:
380
Lunch:
2 (good)
4 (bad)
Giran:
100
Nam:
300[/spoiler]
The Red Ribbon Arc:
[spoiler]General Blue:
390
Shotgun:
100000000000000000000000000000000
Mouse:
5000 (General Blue was frightened of it’s power)
Corporal Purple:
120
The Jiggler:
410
Android 8:
400
Commander Red:
1.4
Black:
10
200 (mecha suit)
Arale:
???
Tao-Pai-Pai:
6200
Bomb:
7010
Goku:
6930 (post Karin)[/spoiler]
King Piccolo arc:
[spoiler]Chazou:
5000
Kuririn:
5500
Goku:
8500
49000 (Super Divine Water)
Jackie Chun:
7890 (secret training)
Ten:
7900
Master Shen:
300
Yamcha:
7700
Tambourine:
7999
Gourd:
2000
King Piccolo:
10000 (old)
50000 (young)
Mr Popo:
55000
God:
70000[/spoiler]
The Return of Piccolo Arc:
[spoiler]Yamcha:
45000
Kuririn:
46000
Chi-Chi:
400
Ten:
47000
Goku:
90000
Piccolo:
90000
92000 (big)
94000 (massive)
God:
50000 (Shen)
Tao Pai Pai:
43400 (mecha)[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Goku:
100
50 (hungry)
1000 (Ozaruu)
Bulma:
2
Pterodactyl:
9
Bear thief:
15
Oolong:
2.1
Axe:
110
Pilaf:
1
Mai:
5
Shu:
3
Yamcha:
80
Puar:
2
Ox King:
500
Chi-Chi:
1.2
Master Roshi:
400
6000 (Full power)[/spoiler]
The Strongest Under the Heavens:
[spoiler]Ran Fuan:
30
Jackie Chun:
(Same as Master Roshi.)
Goku:
400
4000 (Ozaruu)
Kuririn:
380
Lunch:
2 (good)
4 (bad)
Giran:
100
Nam:
300[/spoiler]
The Red Ribbon Arc:
[spoiler]General Blue:
390
Shotgun:
100000000000000000000000000000000
Mouse:
5000 (General Blue was frightened of it’s power)
Corporal Purple:
120
The Jiggler:
410
Android 8:
400
Commander Red:
1.4
Black:
10
200 (mecha suit)
Arale:
???
Tao-Pai-Pai:
6200
Bomb:
7010
Goku:
6930 (post Karin)[/spoiler]
King Piccolo arc:
[spoiler]Chazou:
5000
Kuririn:
5500
Goku:
8500
49000 (Super Divine Water)
Jackie Chun:
7890 (secret training)
Ten:
7900
Master Shen:
300
Yamcha:
7700
Tambourine:
7999
Gourd:
2000
King Piccolo:
10000 (old)
50000 (young)
Mr Popo:
55000
God:
70000[/spoiler]
The Return of Piccolo Arc:
[spoiler]Yamcha:
45000
Kuririn:
46000
Chi-Chi:
400
Ten:
47000
Goku:
90000
Piccolo:
90000
92000 (big)
94000 (massive)
God:
50000 (Shen)
Tao Pai Pai:
43400 (mecha)[/spoiler]