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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:44 pm

MisteryOne wrote:Does anyone find it possible to make a solid list for Super? The manga is more consistent that the anime, but still shows some ambiguity and problems in certain parts.
The only weird thing on the manga is SSjin 2 Vegeta Black around, but it can be solved. I actually have a list for the Manga and i can show it if you want. I don't have nothing for the anime as i don't watch it, though.
LowRyder2005 wrote:I honestly deduced, in general, that Daimao might've had troubles reaching his 100%, or wouldn't normally use it like he wanted to (he does state he'd die sooner and wanted to avoid it at all costs before he got his eternal youth, I suppose), thus justifying the statements or the "hype" behind the fact he got young again (with also some extra power, a +20 was fairly big back in Dragon Ball). I don't believe it's really that hard to rationalize.

Regarding Goku and the first two statements, what the phrases imply when put together and taken literally is that (young) Daimao was stronger than both Goku and Mutaito, and that the Goku who fought Old Piccolo was as strong as any human - Mutaito included - could be in Piccolo's eyes. Under the - somewhat gratuitous - hypothesis Goku wasn't actually at his 100% like he had stated because he needed to rest more (he had fallen from the sky, wasn't exactly nursed back to health after being beaten up by Tambourine and it wasn't even stated how much he had slept), maybe Piccolo would have described Mutaito or Tien as "superhuman". Or maybe the old Mutaito who fought Piccolo might have been as strong as Goku was back then, warranting a "they're both as strong as a human can be". Assuming Piccolo Daimao's idea of the plateau of humans is to be taken literally, there's nothing of weight to deduce from those scenes since we don't know how strong the two sennin and Mutaito were back in the day (or especially when they fought Piccolo; in the anime I have Mutaito getting appreciably weaker due to old age, since he's much stronger than post-Water Goku at least at some point in time).

Truth be told, I wasn't really looking to make this a "what I think these words mean is better than what you think these words mean". Besides, I take it you basically agree with me that if we go for the "cannot-be-too-subtle" there are already egregious contradictions with the official scouter numbers (Goku and Piccolo compared to Saibamen and Raditz) when we take everything literally from Goku's "full of energy" and Piccolo's "50%".

P.S. I don't personally follow the 250 figure for Tien. I think the same source has Piccolo having some 300-value and we know he had to be above that; I concluded it was some suppressed/ mildly-relaxed form. Besides, Tien needs to be above Piccolo because he thinks he has a decent chance of beating Goku after they both trained. I could've picked a value over the other, but the 260 for Piccolo is an easier fit with the scouters.
A +20 boost actually depends of how strong you are. If you are e.g. a 10, a +20 boost would give you a 30, three times stronger than before. This is huge. From 240 to 260 isn't really that much, as it's only 10% stronger than before.

The way Roshi talks about himself and Mutaito implies they are above Goku. It's like "My master and i couldn't do jack against Piccolo, why would you?" but Piccolo's statement puts Goku at least on pair with Mutaito. I don't see how the "superhuman" thing could get into the context, seeing how Goku already is a superhuman. And Piccolo didn't think much of Tenshinhan later, so i don't think he'd be above the Goku he fought earlier.

Yeah, making Pre Z work in scouters is a pain on the ass from the 22nd and on. Or you ignore the scouters, or you ignore some statements. I personally choose to do ignore the scouters as Mr Toriyama wasn't thinking on them at time.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by LowRyder2005 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:53 pm

I can more or less agree with everything else, but I think there's nothing that does really imply Mutaito had to be extremely strong when he faced Piccolo.
The only thing needed for the statement to be pertinent to the conversation is that Piccolo's strength back in the day had to be overwhelming and that Mutaito/ Young Roshi/ Young Tsuru needed to be below Piccolo's as well, since Mutaito has to resort to the Mafuba. Roshi might've surpassed his young self and his sensei in strength even before he meets Goku, for all we know.

Regarding Piccolo, there's the fact he also compliments Krillin's power before. I personally have Tien around some mid-300 value when at full power, a little more conservative esteem than Krillin's and Yamcha's crazy jumps; like I said, I'm pretty convinced if he hasn't surpassed Daimao he should have felt outmatched against any Goku he faces during the tournament. He looks fairly confident that he could win against a Goku who's, worst case scenario, equal to the Goku who matched Daimao's power... although I guess that if he was more or less equal he'd have felt like he at least had a chance, assuming he believed Goku hadn't gotten any stronger, so I can understand the train-of-thought behind Tien at 250.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ahill1 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:50 am

Where'd you guys have Vegeta (vs 1st form Freeza), power level wise?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:07 am

ahill1 wrote:Where'd you guys have Vegeta (vs 1st form Freeza), power level wise?
I'm kinda on the fence on whether or not to include V-Jump's 250,000 level. Generally speaking, I'm not too fussy about power gaps, but Vegeta being slightly less than half as strong as first form Freeza seems kinda odd, especially considering his confidence at taking on a transformed Freeza. On the other hand, the numbers it's paired with (Gohan at 200,000, Kuririn at 75,000) are perfectly fine, and Kuririn's is pretty much the last concrete power related anything for any of the Earthlings, so I don't want to discard V-Jump entirely.

If I were to ignore V-Jump, and it's not like those numbers have been reprinted in anything else, unlike other numbers, I'd probably stick Vegeta at around 400,000 or so.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:55 am

ahill1 wrote:Where'd you guys have Vegeta (vs 1st form Freeza), power level wise?
90% of Freeza sounds good. He was able to keep with him, but had to burn more stamina to do so. I have him at 480k exactly.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by RurrlockGodOfPower » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:54 pm

I've gone and made my own power level list. Going all the way from the beginning up until the Universal Tournament Recruitment (I'm not going to do the actual Tournament of Power itself until it's fully finished as power levels may change). I'm open to hearing feedback. Honestly, there's so much from the series, I know I'm going to miss something so forgive me if I get any details wrong and let me know. Also, for fun, I've decided to include the movies and filler for the hell of it. Might as well go all out :lol: Enjoy.

Multipliers

[spoiler]Oozaru (Great Ape) - 10x Base
False Super Saiyan – 25x Base
Super Saiyan - 50x Base
Super Saiyan Grade Two - 75x Base
Super Saiyan Grade Three - 110x Base
Legendary Super Saiyan – 90x Base+ (Power can increase and/or decrease sporadically depending on emotions)
Super Saiyan Two - 100x Base
Super Saiyan Three - 400x Base
Ultimate - 1,500x Base
Saiyan Beyond God – 10,000x Base
Super Saiyan God – 250,000x Base
Super Saiyan Blue – 500,000x Base
Super Saiyan Rose – 50x Base
Super Saiyan Rage - 600,000x Base
Super Saiyan Berserker - 900x Base+ (Power can increase and/or decrease sporadically depending on emotions)
Fusion – (A = B) x 15
Potara – (A + B) x 25
Irregular Potara – (A + B) x 2.5[/spoiler]

Before Dragon Ball

[spoiler]Death of the Kais

Kid Buu
Base: 32,000,000,000
South Kai Absorbed: 96,000,000,000

Majin Buu: 26,000,000,000
Bibidi: 50

South Supreme Kai: 6,000,000,000
Grand Supreme Kai: 3,500,000,000
West Supreme Kai: 2,500,000,000
North Supreme Kai: 2,200,000,000
East Supreme Kai: 1,500,000,000

(Buu has no trouble with the Kais, putting them on the brink of extinction. South Kai comes the closest to putting up a decent struggle, while the East Kai is the youngest and weakest)

Demon War on Earth

Piccolo Daimao: 240
Master Mutaito: 150
Master Roshi: 105
Master Tsuru: 85
Piccolo Daimao’s Sons: 40 – 80
Master Mutaito’s Students: 30 – 60

(Piccolo dominates any fighter on Earth that opposes him. Mutaito sacrifices himself to use the Mafuba to seal the demon away)

Legend of Bardock

Bardock
Base: 3,500
Great Ape: 35,000
Zenkai: 7,000
Sent to Past: 10,000
Super Saiyan: 500,000

Chilled: 105,000
Chilled’s Soldiers: 500 – 1,000

Shugesh
Base: 2,100
Great Ape: 21,000

Borgos
Base: 2,200
Great Ape: 22,000

Fasha
Base: 2,400
Great Ape: 24,000

Tora
Base: 2,500
Great Ape: 25,000

Kanassan Warriors: 6,000 – 10,000

Freezer 1st Form: 530,000
Zarbon: 22,000
Dodoria: 21,000
Dodoria’s Elite: 4,000 – 7,000

King Vegeta: 11,000
Kid Vegeta: 6,000
Nappa: 4,000
Saibamen: 1,200

(I'm going with Toriyama's statements about Bardock being a low-class fighter and thus has a power level weaker than Nappa, who was part of the elite force. But, after a few Zenkai's, Bardock grows in power. Chilled is powerful, but nothing in comparison to Freezer)[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Saga Part I

[spoiler]First Quest for the Dragon Balls

Goku
Base: 17
Great Ape: 170

Master Roshi
Base: 35
Full Power: 70

Ox-King: 27
Yamcha: 14
Krillin: 12
Bear Bandit: 11
Chi-Chi: 11
Boss Rabbit: 5

(I feel that Goku should be above a 10 that most guides give him. His feats and power indicate something greater. But, he still has a long way to go before he becomes the strongest)

21st Tenkaichi Budokai

Goku
Base: 40
Tailless: 35
Great Ape: 400

Jackie Chun/Master Roshi
Suppressed: 40
Full Power: 120

Nam: 32
Krillin: 29
Giran: 24
Yamcha: 22
Bacterian: 17
Ranfan: 16

(Goku and Roshi are a class above the rest, although Nam and Krillin show great power. Yamcha has gotten stronger since we first met him, but he can't keep up with the tougher competitors)

The Red Ribbon Army

Goku
Base: 42
Post-Korin Training: 85

Korin: 135
Krillin: 29
Bora: 26

Tao Pai Pai: 68

Battle Jacket Black: 75
Android 8: 60
General Blue: 35
Buyon: 34
Major Metallitron: 33
Ninja Murasaki: 22
Colonel Silver: 21
General White: 10

(Goku sees a huge leap after his training with Korin that takes him from being overwhelmed by Tao to becoming superior, even though it wasn't fully one-sided)

Fortune Teller Baba’s Tournament

Goku: 85
Krillin: 29
Yamcha: 22

Fangs the Vampire: 13
Invisible Man: 15
Bandages the Mummy: 50
Spike the Devil Man: 66.6
Grandpa Gohan: 80

Shu (Robot Suit): 20
Mai (Robot Suit): 20
Pilaf (Robot Suit): 21
Pilaf Fusion Battle Jacket: 61

(Baba's fighters are stated to be each stronger than the last. The Mummy is claimed to be greater than Goku was in the previous tournament, a visual guide to Goku's growth in power)[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Saga Part II

[spoiler]The 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai

Goku
Suppressed: 100
Full Power: 140

Tien: 140
Jackie Chun/Master Roshi: 135
Master Shen: 120
Krillin: 95
Yamcha: 90
Chiaotzu: 85

King Chappa: 55
Nam: 35
Pamput: 28
Wolf Man: 15

(Roshi, Krillin and Yamcha have increased in power, but Goku and Tien are in a league of their own at this current point in time)

The Great Demon King

Goku
Tired: 90
Zenkai: 142
Ultra-Divine Water: 240

Piccolo Daimao
Old: 190
Youth restored: 240

Tien: 140
Yajirobe: 135

Drum: 180
Tambourine: 120
Cymbal: 40

Kami: 310
Mr Popo: 290

(I know Piccolo's claims about 'half his power', but there's just no way for it to match. Although he needs more than half, he beats Goku within an inch of his life during their first fight. After the Divine Water, Goku uses his wit and determination to win the fight. Drum is just a step below old Piccolo, once again, a visual guide to display Goku's new strength. Kami and Popo are the next step up)

The 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai

Goku
W/Weights: 272
W/Out Weights: 385

Piccolo: 381
Kami (Shen): 295
Tien: 242
Krillin: 190
Yamcha: 170
Cyborg Tao-Pai-Pai: 155
Chiaotzu: 130
Chi-Chi: 90
King Chappa: 75

(It's between Goku and Piccolo. Even if Kami's power wasn't weakened using Shen's body, he would be no match. Everyone has increased in power. Tien is stronger than King Piccolo was, and embarrasses Cyborg Tao. Krillin and Yamcha can keep up with the assassin, though the same can't be said for Chiaotzu. Chi-Chi proves herself to be quite skilled in combat. Chappa tries his best to improve, but can't keep up with the superhuman fighters) [/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Z Saga Part I

[spoiler]The Dead Zone

Goku
W/Weights: 327
W/Out Weights: 408

Piccolo
W/Weights: 317
W/Out Weights: 402

Garlic Junior
Base: 300
Full Power: 600

Gohan
Base: 1
Enraged: 1,300

Ginger
Base: 210
Full Power: 260

Nicky
Base: 205
Full Power: 250

Sansho
Base: 200
Full Power: 240

Kami: 265
Krillin: 205
Chi-Chi: 90

(All a tad below the start of the Saiyan Saga. Garlic Jr can easily take out Kami, while his buff form can beat Goku and Piccolo one-on-one. But together, they can best him, so he's nowhere near Raditz's level)

Brother of Goku

Goku
W/Weights: 334
W/Out Weights: 416

Piccolo
W/Weights: 322
W/Out Weights: 408

Raditz: 1,500

Gohan
Base: 1
Enraged: 1,307

Farmer: 5

Tien: 250
Krillin: 206
Yamcha: 177
Chiaotzu: 141
Master Roshi: 139
Yajirobe: 135
Chi-Chi: 90

(Most of these are stated in the series so that makes it easy)

The Saiyans Arrive

Goku
Base: 8,200
Kaioken x2: 16,400
Kaioken x3: 24,600
Kaioken x4: 32,800

Vegeta
Base: 18,000
Injured Great Ape: 75,000
Fatigued: 4,500

Gohan
Base: 981
Enraged: 2,800
Injured Great Ape: 7,000

Nappa: 4,000
Saibamen: 1,200

Piccolo: 2,500
Tien: 1,830
Krillin: 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Chiaotzu: 610
Yajirobe: 430

(I'm sorry, I need to rant. I like Yajirobe, but there's no way he is stronger than Chiaotzu. Give the little guy credit, at least he trained and actually tried. He should have seen a greater increase in power. Piccolo is the closest to Nappa and actually does some damage, but the Saiyan is too much for them until Goku arrives.)

The World’s Strongest

Goku
Base: 9,000
Kaioken x2: 18,000
Kaioken x3: 27,000
Kaioken x4: 36,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 7,000
W/Out Weights: 8,000

Gohan
Base: 1,525
Enraged: 10,000

Krillin: 1,770
Master Roshi: 540

Dr Wheelo: 35,000
Ebifurya: 7,500
Kishime: 7,000
Misokatsun: 4,300
Bio-Men: 100 (Each)

(Let's face it, the movies are hard to place because of their AU Timeline status. After the Saiyan battle, each member of the Z-fighters have grown stronger, and we see glimpses that Roshi is still keeping up with his training, though he's not on the same level as the others were when the threat of the Saiyans arrived)

The Tree of Might

Goku
Base: 32,000
Kaioken x 10: 320,000

Turles
Base: 30,000
Fruit x1: 600,000
Fruit x2: 900,000

Gohan
Base: 10,000
Great Ape: 100,000

Piccolo: 18,000
Tien: 4,000
Krillin: 4,000
Yamcha: 2,500
Chiaotzu: 1,000

Daiz: 13,000
Amond: 9,100
Cacao: 8,400
Rezun: 7,600
Rakasei: 7,600

(The space pirates overwhelm the Z-fighters, but then Goku makes short work of them all except for Turles. After eating the fruit, not even a Kaioken x10 works)

Lord Slug

Goku
Base: 90,000
False Super Saiyan: 2,250,000
Kaioken x100: 9,000,000

Lord Slug
Old: 50,000
Youth Restored: 500,000
Giant: 5,000,000

Piccolo:
W/Weights: 60,000
W/Out Weights: 75,000

Gohan: 16,000
Krillin: 14,000
Yajirobe: 430
Chi-Chi: 90

Wings: 36,000
Angila: 35,000
Medamatcha: 32,500

Lord Slug Soldiers: 50 – 120 (Varies)

(As this movie was released around the time of the Freezer Saga, and the Super Saiyan debut was approaching, this seems fitting. Lord Slug dominates Goku, although why our hero never used Kaioken until the very end is beyond me)[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Z Saga Part II

[spoiler]Namek Under Siege

Goku
Base: 90,000
Kaioken x2: 180,000

Vegeta
Base: 24,000
Zenkai: 30,000
Second Zenkai: 200,000

Nail: 42,000

Gohan
Base: 1,600
Potential Unlocked: 14,000
Potential Growing: 30,000

Krillin
Base: 1,800
Potential Unlocked: 13,000
Potential Growing: 25,000

Captain Ginyu
Base: 120,000
Goku’s Body: 23,000

Jeice: 42,000
Burter: 42,000
Recoome: 40,000
Guldo: 8,500

Zarbon
Base: 22,000
Monster: 30,000

Dodoria: 21,000
Cui: 18,000
Appule: 2,000

Namekian Warriors: 1,000 – 3,000
Freezer’s soldiers: 500 – 2,000

(Again, most of these were stated in the series. The power-ups got ludicrous at this point)

Battle with Freezer

Goku
Base: 3,000,000
Kaioken x10: 30,000,000
Kaioken x20: 60,000,000
Super Saiyan: 150,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 450,000
Zenkai: 2,250,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 60,000
Fused w/Nail: 1,100,000
W/Out Weights: 1,250,000

Gohan
Base: 200,000
Enraged: 900,000
Further Enraged: 1,600,000

Krillin: 75,000

Freezer
1st Form: 530,000
2nd Form: 1,060,000
3rd Form: 2,120,000
Final Form (Suppressed): 3,000,000
Final Form (50%): 60,000,000
Final Form (70%): 84,000,000
Full Power: 120,000,000

Tien: 60,000
Yamcha: 48,000
Chiaotzu: 14,000

(Vegeta's Zenkai's took him from below Zarbon to a tad above Third Form Freezer. However, he was no match for the tyrant when he reached his final form. With their potential unlocked, Gohan and Krillin's power skyrocketed, Gohan's in particular. Piccolo shows great gains after his training with King Kai but needs to fuse with Nail to stand a chance against Freezer)

Garlic Jr Returns

Gohan
Base: 750,000
Enraged: 2,500,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 1,700,000
W/Out Weights: 2,000,000
Beyond Limits: 2,300,000

Krillin: 85,000

Garlic Junior
Base: 1,000,000
Full Power: 2,000,000

Spice
Base: 430,000
Makyo Star: 860,000

Vinegar
Base: 430,000
Makyo Star: 860,000

Mustard: 430,000
Salt: 430,000

(Krillin is outmatched by the kitchen supplies, so it's up to Gohan and Piccolo to win the day)

History of Trunks

Future Android 17
Suppressed: 110,000,000
Full Power: 250,000,000

Future Android 18: 240,000,000

Future Gohan
Base: 2,000,000
Super Saiyan: 100,000,000

Post 1-Year Training: 2,800,000
Super Saiyan: 140,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 40,000
Post 1-Year Training: 900,000
Super Saiyan: 45,000,000

Post 3-Years Training: 3,200,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 160,000,000

Future Vegeta
Base: 3,000,000
Super Saiyan: 150,000,000

Future Piccolo: 10,000,000
Future Krillin: 175,000
Future Tien: 130,000
Future Yamcha: 75,000
Future Chiaotzu: 30,000

(Though not as strong, the Androids easily kill the Z-fighters after their years of peace. Even with Gohan and Trunks training together, the Androids are toying with them, especially when working together)

Return of Freezer

Mecha Freezer: 140,000,000
King Cold: 95,000,000
King Cold’s soldiers: 200 – 1,000

Future Trunks
Supressed: 5
Base: 3,500,000
Super Saiyan: 175,000,000

Goku
Base: 3,800,000
Super Saiyan: 190,000,000

Piccolo: 2,600,000
Vegeta: 2,600,000
Gohan: 800,000
Krillin: 150,000
Tien: 90,000
Yamcha: 60,000
Chiaotzu: 25,000

(Trunks and Goku best Freezer. The tyrant is stronger than he was on Namek. Although, he still can't read energy so he can't pinpoint Goku's exact power level, and needs his dad to back him up. It's his style to cheat. King Cold is an enigma. If he can transform, then how much of his power increases? And if it can, why did he not change when seeing his son get blown up by a Super Saiyan? I put his full power below Freezer as the son has been stated to be the strongest)

Cooler’s Revenge

Goku
Base: 4,200,000
Kaioken x10: 42,000,000
Kaioken x20: 84,000,000
Super Saiyan: 210,000,000

Cooler
4th Form Suppressed: 5,000,000
4th Form Full Power: 100,000,000
Final Form: 160,000,000

Piccolo: 4,000,000
Gohan: 950,000
Krillin: 250,000

Sauzer: 770,000
Neiz: 663,000
Dore: 685,000

(Z-fighters are training to prepare for the Androids. Cooler isn't as strong as his brother in his fourth form, but in his unique final form, he is the top dog in the family...until Freezer strikes gold)

Return of Cooler

Goku
Base: 5,000,000
Kaioken x20: 100,000,000
Super Saiyan: 250,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 5,000,000
Super Saiyan: 250,000,000

Metal Cooler
Base: 220,000,000
Repaired: 440,000,000

Piccolo: 100,000,000
Gohan: 2,500,000
Krillin: 1,200,000

Phsyclopian Guards: 500,000

(Vegeta has caught up with Goku. Metal Cooler gets stronger with each new body and regeneration, it takes the combined effort of the Super Saiyans to win)[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Z Saga Part III
[spoiler]Super Android 13

Goku
Base: 5,300,000
Super Saiyan: 265,000,000
Spirit Super Saiyan: 1,265,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 5,400,000
Super Saiyan: 270,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 4,100,000
Super Saiyan Future: 205,000,000

Piccolo: 360,000,000
Gohan: 3,500,000
Krillin: 2,000,000

Android 13
Base: 250,000,000
Super: 600,000,000

Android 14: 175,000,000
Android 15: 175,000,000

(Why the Androids didn't kill Goku when he was in his base, I don't know. When the Saiyans transform, they best the Androids, until 13 goes Super. I put Piccolo's power to the same as when he fuses with Kami)

Attack of the Androids

Goku
Base: 5,500,000
Super Saiyan: 275,000,000
Sick Super Saiyan: 120,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 5,600,000
Super Saiyan: 280,000,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 150,000,000
W/Out Weights: 180,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 4,200,000
Super Saiyan: 210,000,000

Gohan: 4,000,000
Krillin: 2,500,000
Tien: 1,900,000
Yamcha: 1,200,000

Android 19
Base: 60,000,000
Post-Energy: 150,000,000

Dr. Gero
Base: 70,000,000
Post-Energy Absorption: 140,000,000

Android 18: 340,000,000
Android 17: 350,000,000
Android 16: 420,000,000

(Vegeta is stronger than Goku, even if the latter wasn't struck with the heart disease. Spending most of his time time-travelling, Trunks hasn't increased in power as much. The others have done their best to get stronger, but the Androids are a nightmare to deal with. 18 outclasses Vegeta, and 17 is stated to be stronger than her)

The Terror of Cell

Piccolo
Kami Fused & W/Weights: 330,000,000
W/Out Weights: 360,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 13,000,000
Super Saiyan: 650,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2: 975,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 12,000,000
Super Saiyan: 600,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2: 900,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3: 1,320,000,000

Cell
Imperfect: 300,000,000
Humans Absorbed: 420,000,000
Semi-Perfect: 770,000,000
Perfect (Heavily Suppressed): 1,110,000,000
Perfect (Less Suppressed): 1,800,000,000

(After fusing with Kami, Piccolo actually becomes stronger than 17, but the latter doesn't lose stamina. Cell is initally stronger than Vegeta but no match for Piccolo. After absorbing countless humans, he turns the tide, until he meets his equal in 16. After absorbing 17, he adds that power to become semi-perfect. Vegeta and Trunks's training in the ROSAT takes them to new heights, and Cell needs to become perfect to best them. His power is just 17 & 18's added a few times over depending on how much he wants to warm-up)

The Legendary Super Saiyan

Goku
Base: 32,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,600,000,000
Z-Warriors Energy: 5,500,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 20,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1,500,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 19,000,000
Super Saiyan: 950,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1,425,000,000

Gohan
Base: 18,000,000
Super Saiyan: 900,000,000

Piccolo: 900,000,000

Broly
Mind Controlled: 8,000
Base: 34,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,700,000,000
Legendary Super Saiyan: 3,060,000,000

Paragus: 20,000

(Oh boy...Broly. His Power is beyond what the Z-fighters can reach before the Cell Games. Only when Goku is given all their power does he win. Paragus has had quite a few Zenkai's while parenting the little hellspawn)

Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans

Goku
Base: 42,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,100,000,000

Gohan
Base: 42,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,100,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 33,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,650,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 32,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,600,000,000

Piccolo: 1,100,000,000

Hatchiyack: 4,000,000,000

Ghost Freeza: 1,400,000,000
Ghost Lord Slug: 1,300,000,000
Ghost Cooler: 1,200,000,000
Ghost Turles: 1,100,000,000

(Hatchiyack is stated to be stronger than Broly. The others have gotten stronger in preparation for the Cell Games)

The Cell Games

Goku
Base: 45,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,250,000,000
Weakened Super Saiyan: 750,000,000

Gohan
Base: 50,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 5,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
Suppressed: 2,490,000,000
Full Power: 3,180,000,000
Beyond Limits: 3,870,000,000
Super Perfect: 4,560,000,000

Cell Junior: 1,935,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 35,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,750,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 34,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,700,000,000

Piccolo: 1,200,000,000
Krillin: 8,000,000
Tien: 6,600,000
Yamcha: 4,000,000
Mr Satan: 8

(Goku does his best, but Cell is too much to handle. Gohan does better, but when Cell takes his foot off the brakes, it's rinse and repeat. The Cell Jrs overwhelm the other Z-fighters except for Vegeta and Trunks, although they can't win. Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2 and Cell is hopelessly outmatched. Nothing he does works. Super Perfect Cell is slightly below. Gohan in the end still emerges victorious)

Bojack Unbound

Gohan
Base: 52,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,600,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 5,200,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 36,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 1,800,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 35,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,750,000,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 950,000,000
W/Out Weights: 1,200,000,000

Bojack
Base: 2,000,000,000
Full Power: 4,000,000,000

Zangya: 1,650,000,000
Bujin: 1,500,000,000
Bido: 1,475,000,000

Gokua
Base: 550,000,000
Full Power: 1,100,000,000

Krillin: 8,000,000
Tien: 6,600,000
Yamcha: 4,000,000

(The Saiyans have grown in strength slightly. Bojack is stronger than Perfect Cell, but not Super Perfect Cell. Either way, he meets the same fate with Gohan having little trouble when at full power)

Back to the Future

Future Trunks
Base: 36,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,800,000,000

3 Years Later – Base: 48,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,400,000,000

Future Android 17: 250,000,000
Future Android 18: 240,000,000

Future Imperfect Cell: 370,000,000

(Trunks ain't got time for letting his enemies power up)

The Otherworld Tournament

Goku
Base: 45,000,000
Post Training: 60,000,000
Super Saiyan: 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Kaioken x2: 6,000,000,000

Pikkon
Suppressed: 1,400,000,000
W/Weights: 2,800,000,000
W/Out Weights: 3,200,000,000

Olibu: 1,100,000,000

Perfect Cell (Suppressed): 1,110,000,000
King Cold: 95,000,000
Freezer (Suppressed): 90,000,000
Jeice: 42,000
Burter: 42,000
Recoome: 40,000
Guldo: 8,500

(Goku continues his training in the afterlife and meets many strong fighters, including Pikkon. Why is this guy not canon? I want him to appear in Super, even if just for one episode)[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Z Saga Part IV
[spoiler]Seven Years Later

Gohan
Base: 43,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,150,000,000

Goten
Base: 5,000,000
Super Saiyan: 250,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 55,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,750,000,000

Trunks
Base: 6,000,000
Super Saiyan: 300,000,000

Chi-Chi: 90
Videl: 8

(Goten and Trunks are hard to place. Gohan says they're not too far behind him, but I take that to think he took their age into account. If they continue at this current pace, they'll match the older fighters by the time they're in their teens. Trunks is stronger than Goten, and Videl is about as strong as her father. Gohan's power has decreased since the Cell Games as he now focuses on his studies)

Broly Returns

Gohan
Base: 44,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 4,400,000,000

Goten
Base: 6,500,000
Super Saiyan: 325,000,000

Trunks
Base: 7,000,000
Super Saiyan: 350,000,000

Broly
Base: 55,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,750,000,000
Legendary Super Saiyan: 4,950,000,000

Videl: 13

(Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Videl have gotten stronger with their training. Broly has also seen a power increase)

Bio-Broly

Trunks
Base: 7,500,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 375,000,000

Goten
Base: 7,000,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 350,000,000

Bio-Broly: 495,000,000

Eighteen: 340,000,000
Krillin: 8,900,000
Mr Satan: 8

Bio-Warriors: 100 – 200

(Though not as strong as the real thing, Bio-Broly is a formidable foe. It takes Goten and Trunks working together to win)

The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai

Goten
Base: 8,000,000
Super Saiyan: 400,000,000

Trunks
Base: 8,200,000
Super Saiyan: 410,000,000

Gohan
Base: 46,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,300,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 4,600,000,000

Piccolo: 1,700,000,000
Eighteen: 340,000,000
Goku: 85,000,000
Vegeta: 65,000,000
Krillin: 9,000,000

Yamu: 44
Spopovitch: 40
Videl: 19
Mr Satan: 8

Supreme Kai: 2,200,000,000
Kibito: 40,000,000

(Goten and Trunks are so close, but the latter is still the better. Gohan has also gotten back into shape but is still not the same fighter he was before. Videl has seen a huge leap too. However, Spopovitch destroys her. Whether Piccolo didn't want to fight the Supreme Kai because of status or power isn't clear, but it might be both. Kibito is around the same strength as Base Gohan. Goku and Vegeta have grown, Goku in particular)

Bibidi Babidi Buu

Goku
Base: 85,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 8,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 34,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 65,000,000
Super Saiyan: 3,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 6,500,000,000
Majin: 8,500,000,000

Gohan
Base: 46,000,000
Super Saiyan: 2,300,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 4,600,000,000

Dabura: 4,000,000,000
Yakon: 40,000,000
Pui Pui: 4,000,000
Babidi: 4

Majin Buu
Awoken: 6,500,000,000
Playing: 13,000,000,000
Full Power: 26,000,000,000

Gotenks
Base: 120,000,000
Super Saiyan: 6,000,000,000

Evil Buu: 18,500,000,000
Good Buu: 7,500,000,000

(Goku could have beaten Buu as a Super Saiyan 3, but he wanted the kids to have a try and also he can't sustain the power for very long. Vegeta sees an improvement after making a deal with the devil that puts him on the same level as Goku. Majin Buu outclasses the others, making it look easy. Even Gotenks is no match, not helped by his over confident attitude. When Buu splits, his evil side takes more of the power)

Buu’s Rampage

Goten
Base: 11,500,000
Super Saiyan: 575,000,000

Trunks
Base: 11,500,000
Super Saiyan: 575,000,000

Gotenks
Base: 172,500,000
Super Saiyan: 8,625,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 69,000,000,000

Gohan
Base: 55,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 5,500,000,000
Ultimate: 82,500,000,000

Piccolo: 1,800,000,000

Super Buu
Base: 52,000,000,000
Gotenks/Piccolo: 122,800,000,000
Piccolo/Goten/Trunks: 54,950,000,000
Gohan: 137,450,000,000

Goku: 85,000,000
Vegeta: 85,000,000

Vegito
Base: 4,250,000,000
Super Saiyan: 212,500,000,000

Kibitoshin: 5,600,000,000
Tien: 8,500,000

(After some brief training, Gotenks becomes strong enough to take on the powered-up Buu, though again, the over confidence is an issue. Gohan trains with the Kais and reaches new heights with his ultimate form, taking Buu down until he absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo. When Goku and Vegeta fuse into Vegito and become Super Saiyan, it's not a fight...it's a massacre. Kibitoshin's fusion is irregular because of the power level difference)

Final Battle with Buu

Goku
Base: 85,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 8,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 34,000,000,000

Kid Buu: 32,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 85,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 8,500,000,000

Mr Buu: 16,000,000,000
Mr Satan: 8

(Goku may still be stronger, but the Super Saiyan 3 form is too unstable to control, and with Buu's regeneration, the fight turns on the monster's side)

Fusion Reborn

Goku
Base: 85,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 8,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 34,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 85,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 8,500,000,000

Super Saiyan Gogeta: 63,750,000,000

Janemba
Base: 19,000,000,000
Super: 38,000,000,000

Pikkon: 3,000,000,000
Gohan: 55,000,000
Videl: 19

Goten
Base: 11,500,000
Super Saiyan: 575,000,000

Trunks
Base: 11,500,000
Super Saiyan: 575,000,000

Gotenks
Base: 172,500,000
Super Saiyan: 8,625,000,000

Freezer (Suppressed): 12,000,000
Zombies: 4 – 10

(Same power levels as the Buu Saga. Janemba is a tad stronger than Goku. With his unique powers, he is able to make it look easy, until Gogeta steps onto the scene)

Wrath of the Dragon

Goku
Base: 86,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,300,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 8,600,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 34,400,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 86,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 4,300,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 8,600,000,000

Gotenks
Base: 180,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 72,000,000,000

Gohan: 70,000,000,000
Goten: 12,000,000
Trunks: 12,000,000
Videl: 20

Tapion: 60,000,000

Hirudegarn
Half: 30,000,000,000
1st Form: 60,000,000,000
True Form: 120,000,000,000

(A slight increase from Buu Saga. Gohan's ultimate power begins to decrease)

Goku and Friends Return

Goku
Base: 95,000,000
Super Saiyan 4,750,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 95,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 4,750,000,000

Goten: 16,000,000
Trunks: 16,000,000

Gotenks
Base: 240,000,000
Super Saiyan: 12,000,000,000

Avo: 3,500,000
Cado: 3,500,000
Aka: 105,000,000

Piccolo: 2,200,000,000
Gohan: 1,000,000,000
Eighteen: 340,000,000
Krillin: 10,000,000
Tien: 9,900,000
Yamcha: 4,100,000
Master Roshi: 900,000
Chiaotzu: 390,000
Tarble: 2,300

(Everyone sees increases except Gohan, who continues to lose his ultimate power at a steady pace. Avo and Cado are stated to be on a similar level to Freezer. I'm guessing Tarble is referring to Freezer's suppressed final form. When they fuse, they almost match the tyrant, but Goten and Trunks have the same trick up their sleeve and make short work of them. Freezer level goons are child's play...at least, for the moment)[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Super Saga Part I
[spoiler]Search for the Super Saiyan God

Goku
Base: 100,000,000
Super Saiyan: 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 40,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Beyond Limits: 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God: 25,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 100,000,000
Super Saiyan: 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 10,000,000,000
Enraged: 50,000,000,000

Gohan
Base: 250,000,000
Super Saiyan: 12,500,000,000

Goten
Base: 18,000,000
Super Saiyan: 900,000,000

Trunks
Base: 18,000,000
Super Saiyan: 900,000,000

Gotenks
Base: 270,000,000
Super Saiyan: 13,500,000,000

Beerus
Heavily Suppressed: 1,000,000,000,000
Less Suppressed: 30,000,000,000,000

Mr. Buu: 16,000,000,000
Piccolo: 2,600,000,000
Eighteen: 340,000,000
Tien: 10,000,000

(I'm not even going to guess Beerus's full power at this stage, or make an attempt with Whis. The God power is in another realm to what we've seen. Gohan's power continues to decline, even with Super Saiyan, he's not the same he once was. Vegeta sees a huge boost temporarily that puts him above Goku until our hero gets a taste of God Power)

Revival of Freezer

Goku
Base: 240,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God: 2,400,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 120,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 240,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God: 2,400,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 120,000,000,000,000

Freezer
1st Form Revived: 485,000
1st Form Post Training: 8,800,000,000
Final Form: 2,000,000,000,000
Golden: 200,000,000,000,000

Gohan
Base: 150,000,000
Super Saiyan: 7,500,000,000
Beyond Limits: 15,000,000,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 2,800,000,000
W/Out Weights: 3,400,000,000

Gotenks
Base: 285,000,000
Super Saiyan: 14,250,000,000

Goten: 19,000,000
Trunks: 19,000,000
Krillin: 10,350,000
Tien: 10,200,000
Master Roshi: 1,080,000
Jaco: 900

Tagoma
Base: 20,000
Post Training: 4,200,000,000
Ginyu: 5,000,000,000

Shisami
Base: 23,000
Post Training: 60,000,000

Freezer’s Soldiers: 1,000 – 2,000 (Varies)

(I didn't use to go with the Saiyan Beyond God theory. But it's the only thing that makes sense to me anymore XD With it, Goku, Vegeta and Freezer are beyond the other fighters. Golden Freezer is far stronger than Super Saiyan Blue, but his stamina and arrogance is his downfall. Gohan realises how far he's slipped with his power. The Z-fighters make short work of the weakened Freezer force, even with the army's numbers. Jaco is a regular patrol officer, nothing to stand out from what we've seen. Shisami gets a huge boost from training, but nothing compared to Tagoma, who trained with Freezer personally, matching Gohan's prime in the Cell Games)

Universe 7 vs. Universe 6

Goku
Base: 300,000,000
Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 150,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x10: 1,500,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 300,000,000
Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 150,000,000,000,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 3,500,000,000
W/Out Weights: 4,100,000,000

Mr. Buu: 16,000,000,000

Monoka: 2

Botamo: 200,000,000

Frost
1st Form: 97,200,000
3rd Form: 291,600,000
Final Form: 11,500,000,000
Weakened Final Form: 7,500,000,000

Autta Magetta:
Initial: 180,000,000
Full Power: 9,000,000,000

Cabba
Base: 280,000,000
Super Saiyan: 14,000,000,000

Hit: 120,000,000,000,000

(Goku and Vegeta get stronger after 3 years in the ROSAT. Piccolo also starts training, though he still needs more to catch up with the others. Universe 6 has some strong fighters, though Hit makes them look amateur. His unique ability and centuries of experience almost make him a match for Super Saiyan Blue)

Post-Universal Tournament

Beerus (Monaka Costume): 3,100,000,000,000

Goku
Base: 305,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God: 3,050,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 152,500,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 305,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God: 3,050,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 152,500,000,000,000

Copy Vegeta
Base: 3,050,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 152,500,000,000,000

Trunks: 21,000,000
Goten: 21,000,000
Jaco: 900

Gotenks
Base: 315,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 126,000,000,000

Gryll: 750
Gryll’s Gang: 250 – 400

(Using Vegeta's God essence, even Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is dominated, barely causing a scratch)[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Super Saga Part II
[spoiler]Rise of Black Goku

Future Trunks
Base: 85,000,000
Super Saiyan: 4,250,000,000

Post 9-Years Fighting Base: 290,000,000
Super Saiyan: 14,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 29,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade Three: 31,900,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Beyond Limits: 325,000,000,000

Goku
Base: 310,000,000
Super Saiyan: 15,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 31,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 124,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 155,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 310,000,000
Super Saiyan: 15,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 155,000,000,000,000

Goku Black:
Suppressed: 30,000,000,000
Initial: 130,000,000,000
Zenkai: 3,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose: 175,000,000,000,000

Future Zamasu: 320,000,000,000
Zamasu: 27,000,000,000

Future Dabura: 4,000,000,000

(*sigh* This is a tough one. Trunks has received many Zenkai boosts when fighting with Black, putting him almost on the same level as Goku and Vegeta after their training with Whis. Black sees one Zenkai after the other, and with Rose, which is believed to be his equivalent of a Super Saiyan transformation, he can best even two Super Saiyan Blues. Zamasu is a prodigy amongst the Kais, and in the future becomes a great threat, though, without his immortality, he wouldn't last against better fighters)

Fall of Zamasu

Goku
Base: 310,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 140,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Enraged: 200,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x2: 400,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 315,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 157,500,000,000,000
Post-Training: 450,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 225,000,000,000,000

Future Trunks
Base: 330,000,000
Super Saiyan: 16,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 33,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rage: 198,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Spirit: 300,000,000,000,000

Goku Black
Base: 3,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose: 187,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose 1st Zenkai: 210,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose 2nd Zenkai: 250,000,000,000,000

Future Zamasu: 320,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu
Base: 500,640,000,000,000
Beyond Limits: 5,000,000,000,000,000
Unstable: 250,000,000,000,000

Vegito
Base: 21,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 10,625,000,000,000,000

(Goku gets a boost because of his rage hearing of Chi-Chi and Goten's death. Vegeta sees a boost after training more in the ROSAT. Trunks attains a new form that puts him on God level, though slightly behind the others. Black gets more and more Zenkai's. Zamasu is still Zamasu and they fuse to finish the fight. Because of the power difference, they don't become as strong as they anticipated, and Goku gets a knock or two with the Kaioken. But Merged Zamasu loses control and goes on a rampage. Vegito shows up and while not a curbstomp like his fight with Buu, he is the better fighter. Trunks uses the power of the Spirit Bomb as well as from Goku and Vegeta to finish the fight. Not as strong as Vegito, but strong enough to finish the evil Kai)

Time for Peace

Goku
Base: 410,000,000
Super Saiyan: 20,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 41,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3: 164,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 205,000,000,000,000

Vegeta: 450,000,000

Hit: 200,000,000,000,000

Gohan
Base: 300,000,000
Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 30,000,000,000

Barry Kahn/Watagashi: 1,000,000,000

Krillin
Base: 10,500,000
Potential Reawakened: 21,000,000

(Gohan is working himself back up, slowly getting in shape. Krillin has made slow progess over the years, but his fears hold him back. After his mission with Goku, his spirit, confidence and potential is reawakened)

Zen-Oh’s Exhibition

Goku
Base: 415,000,000
Super Saiyan: 20,750,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 207,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x2: 415,000,000,000,000

Gohan
Base: 310,000,000
Super Saiyan: 15,500,000,000
Poisoned: 100,000,000
Heavily Poisoned Super Saiyan: 1,000,000,000

Mr Buu: 16,000,000,000

Basil
Base: 500,000,000
Drugged: 5,000,000,000

Lavender: 600,000,000

Bergamo
Base: 700,000,000
Maximum Power: 200,000,000,000,000

Toppo: 400,000,000,000,000

(Goku hasn't grown much since Zamasu, hence his excitement for the tournament. Gohan has gotten stronger too. Buu easily trounces Basil, even when the fox tests positive for drug use. Lavender is stronger and Gohan needs Super Saiyan to fight back, especially after poisoned. Bergamo seems stronger than Base Goku, but relies on absorbing energy. Goku goes almost all-out and it's too much for Bergamo. Toppo is Super Saiyan Blue level)

Tournament Recruitment

Goku
Base: 420,000,000
Super Saiyan: 21,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 42,000,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God: 4,200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 210,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x2: 420,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base: 460,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue: 230,000,000,000,000

Freezer
Final Form: 2,100,000,000,000
Perfect Golden Form: 210,000,000,000,000

Gohan
Base: 315,000,000
Super Saiyan: 15,750,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 31,500,000,000
Ultimate: 547,500,000,000

Post-Training Base: 500,000,000
Ultimate: 750,000,000,000
Ultimate Beyond Limits: 7,500,000,000,000

Seventeen: 350,000,000,000

Piccolo
W/Weights: 27,000,000,000
W/out Weights: 35,000,000,000

Slim Mr Buu: 48,000,000,000
Eighteen: 400,000,000
Krillin: 60,000,000
Tien: 30,000,000

Master Roshi
Base: 10,000,000
Full Power: 20,000,000
Witchcraft: 30,000,000

Trunks: 23,000,000
Goten: 23,000,000

Chiaotzu: 475,000

Yurin: 10

Cabba
Base: 400,000,000
Super Saiyan: 20,000,000,000

Caulifa
Base: 410,000,000
Super Saiyan: 20,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 41,000,000,000

Kale
Base: 30,000,000
Super Saiyan Berserker: 27,000,000,000

Universe 9 Assassins: 1,000,000 – 10,000,000 (Varies)

(Goku is getting back into shape. Now, he only uses Super Saiyan Blue to test his teammates, not to beat them. It's a way for him to know who's at what level. This doesn't mean everyone is suddenly God level all of a sudden. With that said, everyone seems to have gotten a huge increase. Vegeta trains in the ROSAT...again. Gohan is back and better than ever before. His potential not only reawakened, but thriving and his Ultimate form back. Piccolo could actually beat him as a Super Saiyan 2, revealing he's been doing secret training of his own. Considering the power leaps Piccolo has had before, it's not too surprising. 17 is on a new level. Enough that Goku has to go above Super Saiyan 3 to test him. 18 and Krillin are training together, though 18 is still stronger. Tien and Roshi have also seen huge leaps. I put Tien above Roshi because I think Roshi was helped by the witch's spell and his unusual techniques. Freezer's power may not have increased that much, but he no longer has stamina problems and is equal to Goku, not including Kaioken. I want to boost Chiaotzu, but until we see him in an actual comparable fight, I don't know. Caulifa is stronger than Cabba. Kale is far behind, though must show some strength if Caulifa is confident in her)[/spoiler]

*exhales* Done... :crazy:
One more story is another adventure to discuss with friends. :)

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:24 pm

Dragon Ball Power Levels


MULTIPLIERS


[spoiler]Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 400x[/spoiler]


Death of the Gods Arc


[spoiler]Pure Boo – 40,000,000,000
South Kaioshin absorbed – 800,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin absorbed – 35,000,000,000

South Kaioshin – 5,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin – 4,750,000,000
North Kaioshin– 4,500,000,000
West Kaioshin – 4,250,000,000
Shin – 4,000,000,000
Kibito– 10,000,000
Bibidi – 3[/spoiler]


Demon War Arc


[spoiler]Nameless Namekian – 600
Kami of Earth – 375
Mr. Popo – 265
Piccolo Daimao– 225
Master Mutaito– 63
Master Roshi– 33
Master Tsuru– 30
Piccolo Daimao’s sons– 10 ~ 20
Master Mutaito’s students– 12 ~ 16[/spoiler]


Dragon Ball Arc


[spoiler]Master Roshi – 25
Full Power – 139

Son Goku – 10
Oozaru – 100

Gyuumao– 20
Yamcha – 9
Kuririn – 8
Chi Chi – 7
Bear Bandit – 7
Carrotizor Bunny – 6.5
Lunch – 6
Mai – 5.5
Shu – 5
Bulma – 4
Pilaf – 3
Oolong – 2.5
Puar – 2[/spoiler]


21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 24
Oozaru – 240

Master Roshi – 25
Full Power – 139

Nam– 21
Kuririn – 18
Giran– 15
Yamcha – 12
Bacterian – 11
Ran Fan – 10
Oorin Temple Upperclassman – 9[/spoiler]


Red Ribbon Army Arc


[spoiler]Karin– 45

Son Goku – 25
After Karin’s training – 40

Tao Pai Pai – 36
Arale – 30
Gatchan – 29
Android 8– 28
Buyon – 26
Sergeant Metallic– 24
Bora– 22
Pirate Robot – 21
General Blue – 20
Kuririn – 18
Ninja Murasaki– 14
Assistant Black – 12
Captain Silver– 10
Captain Yellow– 9
Captain Dark– 8
Captain Violet– 7
General White– 6
Commander Red– 5[/spoiler]


Uranai Baba’s Tournament Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 40
Grandpa Gohan – 38
Akkuman – 33
Mummy Man – 28
Kuririn – 18
Yamcha– 12
Invisible Man– 11
Dracula Man – 10[/spoiler]


22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 70
Tenshinhan– 68
Master Roshi – 66
Master Tsuru– 60
Kuririn – 55
Yamcha – 55
Chiaotzu– 50
King Chapa – 45
Panput – 16
Wolf Man – 12[/spoiler]


Piccolo Daimao Arc


[spoiler]Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 265

Son Goku – 70
After drinking Ultra Divine Water – 230

Piccolo Daimao– 180
Youth restored – 225

Drum– 80
Tenshinhan– 68
Master Roshi – 66
Yajirobe– 65
Tambourine – 60
Kuririn – 55
Yamcha – 55
Cymbal – 40
King’s Guard – 15
Piano – 5[/spoiler]


23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 235
Without weighted clothes – 400

Piccolo – 395
Kami of Earth – 300
Tenshinhan– 240
Kuririn – 195
Yamcha – 170
Tao Pai Pai [Cyborg] – 144
Chaozu – 120
Yajirobe – 65
King Chapa – 50
Chi Chi– 25[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 334
Without weighted clothes – 416
Post training – 8,250
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,500
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,750
Kaio-Ken x4 – 33,000

Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307
Post training – 1,000
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 10,000

Piccolo – 322
Without weighted clothes – 408
Post training – 2,400

Tenshinhan – 250
Post training – 1,800

Kuririn – 206
Post training – 1,500

Yamcha – 177
Post training – 1,300

Chaozu – 125
Post training – 750

Yajirobe – 65
Post training – 500

Master Roshi – 60
Mr. Popo – 265
Kami of Earth – 300
Enma Daio– 2,500
Kaio of the North – 4,500

Saibaimen – 1,200

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 11,250
Post-training – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000
Post-recovery – 3,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 30,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 29,900
Post-recovery 2 – 495,000
Post-recovery 3 – 2,400,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Post-power-up – 15,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Enraged – 975,000
Post-recovery 2 – 400,000
Enraged – 1,750,000

Piccolo – 150,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000
Without weighted clothes – 1,500,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Post-power-up – 15,000

Dende – 100
Post-power-up – 1,000

Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza’s soldiers – 1,000 ~ 2,000
Banan – 1,050
Sui – 1,075
Applue – 2,000
Gurd – 4,000
Kiwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 19,000

Zarbon – 20,000
Monster – 30,000

Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 1,000,000
Power Up – 1,150,000
Full Power – 1,400,000
Third Form – 1,800,000
True Form – 3,150,000
50% Power – 70,000,000
70% Power – 100,000,000
100% Power – 140,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Future Trunks – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Vegeta – 3,000,000
Piccolo – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 18,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 7,000
Chaozu – 2,500

Freeza's Soldiers – 1,000 ~ 2,000
King Cold – 100,000,000

Mecha Freeza – 80,000,000
Unseen Full Power – 160,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,800,000
Super Saiyan – 140,000,000
After 1 year of training – 3,500,000
Super Saiyan – 175,000,000

Future Trunks – 50,000
After 1 year of training – 65,000
Super Saiyan – 3,250,000
After 3 year of training – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Future Android 18 – 360,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 4,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 95,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,750,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,500,000,000

Son Goku – 4,800,000
Super Saiyan – 240,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Vegeta – 5,000,000
Super Saiyan – 250,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 16,500,000
Super Saiyan – 825,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 1,237,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 1,650,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Future Trunks – 4,500,000
Super Saiyan – 225,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 16,000,000
Super Saiyan – 800,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 1,600,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Piccolo – 200,000,000
Merged with Kami – 400,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 2,400,000,000

Tenshinhan – 23,000
Kuririn – 18,750
Yamcha – 8,750
Chaozu – 2,750
Mister Satan– 6.66

Android 19 – 100,000,000
Post-absorption – 150,000,000

Android 20 – 110,000,000
Post-absorption – 165,000,000

Android 18 – 360,000,000
Android 17 – 400,000,000
Android 16 – 500,000,000
Cell Juniors – 3,000,000,000

Cell – 200,000,000
Post-absorption – 300,000,000
Post-absorption 2 – 500,000,000
Second Form – 800,000,000
Full Power – 1,000,000,000
Perfect Form – 1,200,000,000
Vs Vegeta/Trunks – 1,500,000,000
Bulked Up – 1,875,000,000
Vs Goku/Gohan – 4,500,000,000
Full Power – 6,000,000,000
Bulked Up – 7,500,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 8,500,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Future Trunks – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000
After 3 year of training – 70,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,500,000,000

Future Android 18 – 360,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000
Cell – 500,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 40,000,000,000

Vegeta – 90,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000
After Babidi's power-up – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
Post-Z-Sword training – 120,000,000
Potential unleashed – 600,000,000,000

Trunks – 41,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,050,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000

Son Goten – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000

Gotenks – 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 1,250,000,000
Super Saiyan – 62,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000,000

Vegetto – 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 100,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 400,000,000,000,000

Piccolo – 3,000,000,000
Android 18 – 360,000,000
Tenshinhan – 28,000
Kuririn – 18,750
Chaozu – 3,000
Dende– 1,500
Videl– 7.35
Mister Satan– 6.66

Rou Kaioshin – 1,000,000
Kibito – 10,000,000
Shin – 4,000,000,000
Kibito-Shin – 32,000,000,000

Babidi– 3
Yamu– 7
Spopovich– 7
Pui Pui– 20,000
Yakon – 120,000,000
Dabra – 6,000,000,000

Majin Boo – 35,000,000,000
Good Boo – 15,000,000,000
Evil Boo – 20,000,000,000
Super Boo – 400,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 900,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 1,000,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 800,000,000,000
Pure Boo – 40,000,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan– 600,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 15,000,000,000
Piccolo – 3,600,000,000
Son Goku– 120,000,000
Vegeta – 120,000,000
Oob – 120,000,000
Trunks – 60,000,000
Son Goten – 60,000,000
Pan – 30,000,000
Tenshinhan – 33,000
Chaozu – 3,250
Mister Satan– 6.66[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by supersaiyangodgogeta » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:28 pm

Power levels for all of Z and super.

Saiyan & Namek arc
[spoiler]Super Saiyan=[50xbase]

Saiyan arc Roshi: 139

Saiyan arc Krillin: 206

Saiyan arc Yamcha: 177

Saiyan arc Tien: 250

Saiyan arc Goku: 416

Saiyan arc Piccolo: 408

Saiyan arc Gohan(Rage boost): 1,307

Raditz: 1,500

Saibamen: 1,200

Saiyan arc Yamcha(Post training): 1,480

Saiyan arc Krillin(Post training): 1,770

Saiyan arc Tien(Post training): 1,830

Saiyan arc Piccolo(Post training): 3,500

Saiyan arc Gohan(Post training)[Rage boost]: 2,800

Saiyan arc Goku(Post training): 8,000
Kaiokenx2 Goku: 16,000
Kaiokenx3 Goku: 24,000
Kaiokenx4 Goku: 32,000

Nappa: 4,000

Saiyan arc Vegeta: 16,200
Saiyan arc Vegeta(Full power): 18,000

Namek arc Krillin(Initial potential unlock): 13,000

Namek arc Gohan(Initial potential unlock): 14,000

Namek arc Vegeta: 24,000

Cui: 18,000

Dodoria: 22,000

Zarbon: 23,000
Transformed Zarbon: 29,000

Namek arc Vegeta(1st Zenkai): 30,000

Guldo: 1,000

Recoome: 40,000

Burter: 40,000

Jeice: 40,000

Namek arc Base Goku: 90,000
Kaiokenx2 Goku: 180,000

Ginyu: 120,000
Ginyu(Goku's body): 23,000

Nail: 42,000

Namek arc Piccolo: 350,000

Namek arc Vegeta(2nd Zenkai): 250,000

Namek arc Gohan(Full potential unlocked): 200,000

Namek arc Krillin(Full potential unlocked): 75,000

1st form Freeza: 530,000
2nd form Freeza(Initial): 1,060,000

Namek arc Gohan(Rage boost): 1,100,000

2nd form Freeza(Powered up): 1,200,000

Namek arc Gohan(Zenkai): 600,000

Namek arc Piccolo[Post merge](Weighted): 1,250,000
Piccolo[Post merge]: 1,500,000

2nd form Freeza(Full power): 1,400,000

3rd form Freeza: 2,100,000

Namek arc Gohan(2nd rage boost): 1,400,000

Namek arc Vegeta(3rd Zenkai): 2,500,000

Final form Freeza(Initial): 3,600,000
50% Final form Freeza: 60,000,000
100% Final form Freeza: 120,000,000

Base Goku(Zenkai): 3,000,000
Kaiokenx20 Goku: 60,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 150,000,000[/spoiler]

Android & Cell arc
[spoiler]Super Saiyan=[50xbase]
Super Saiyan Grade 2=[1.5xSuper Saiyan]/[75xbase]
Super Saiyan Grade 3=[10xSuper Saiyan Grade 2]/[750xbase]
Super Saiyan 2=[2xSuper Saiyan]/[100xbase]

Base Future Goku: 3,700,000
Super Saiyan Future Goku: 185,000,000

Base Future Vegeta: 3,500,000
Super Saiyan Future Vegeta: 175,000,000

Future Piccolo: 3,000,000

Future Krillin: 400,000

Future Tien: 350,000

Future Yamcha: 300,000

Future Kid Trunks: 40,000

Base Future Gohan: 2,100,000
Super Saiyan Future Gohan: 105,000,000

Future Android 17(Less than 50%): 100,000,000

Base Future Gohan(Zenkai): 3,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Gohan: 150,000,000

Future Android 17: 220,000,000
Future Android 18: 210,000,000

Super Saiyan Future Kid Trunks: 2,000,000

Mecha Freeza: 130,000,000

King Cold: 100,000,000

Base Future Trunks: 3,060,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 153,000,000

Base Goku(Post Yardrat): 3,400,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 170,000,000

Piccolo(3 year timeskip): 115,000,000

Base Goku(3 year timeskip): 5,600,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 280,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Heart virus): 190,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Heart virus worsened): 120,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Heart virus critical, energy lost): 80,000,000

Gohan(3 year timeskip): 2,700,000

Krillin(3 year timeskip): 2,500,000

Tien(3 year timeskip): 2,000,000

Yamcha(3 year timeskip): 1,500,000

Android 19: 80,000,000
Android 19(Kamehameha absorbed): 95,000,000

Dr Gero: 85,000,000
Dr Gero(Big Bang attack absorbed): 95,000,000
Dr Gero(Piccolo's energy absorbed): 100,000,000

Base Vegeta(3 year timeskip): 3,900,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 195,000,000

Base Future Trunks(3 year timeskip): 3,060,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 153,000,000

Android 17: 275,000,000
Android 18: 265,000,000

Imperfect Cell: 200,000,000

Super Namek Piccolo(weighted): 250,000,000
Super Namek Piccolo: 275,000,000

Imperfect Cell(Post humans): 400,000,000

Android 16: 400,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell: 605,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell(Full power): 675,000,000

Base Vegeta(Post Rosat): 13,650,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 682,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta: 1,023,750,000

Base Future Trunks(Post Rosat): 13,600,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 680,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 Future Trunks: 1,020,000,000

Perfect Cell(Warming up): 1,020,000,000
Perfect Cell(Less suppressed): 1,550,000,000

Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks(Initial): 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks(Powered up): 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks: 10,200,000,000

Perfect Cell(Power stressed, suppressed): 15,500,000,000

Base Goku(Post rosat): 51,200,000
Super Saiyan Goku(50%): 1,280,000,000

Piccolo(Post Rosat): 1,115,000,000

Base Vegeta(2nd Rosat): 40,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 2,000,000,000

Base Future Trunks(2nd Rosat): 39,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 1,950,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku(Warming up): 1,020,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 2,560,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Tired): 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Exhausted): 800,000,000

Perfect cell(Warming up): 1,020,000,000
Perfect Cell(Less suppressed Vs Goku): 2,600,000,000
Perfect Cell(Tired): 2,300,000,000

Cell Jr: 2,040,000,000

Base Gohan(Post rosat): 64,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 3,200,000,000

Perfect Cell(True Speed): 3,250,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 6,400,000,000

Perfect Cell(Full power): 3,800,000,000
Perfect Cell(Power stressed): 38,000,000,000
Perfect Cell(Zenkai): 6,000,000,000

Base Future Trunks(3 years later): 39,500,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 1,975,000,000

Future Imperfect Cell: 300,000,000[/spoiler]

Boo arc
[spoiler]Super Saiyan=[50xbase]
Super Saiyan 2=[2xSuper Saiyan]/[100xbase]
Super Saiyan 3=[4xSuper Saiyan 2]/[400xbase]
Fusion multiplier[Vegito]=A+B(240,000)
Fusion multiplier[Gotenks]=A+B(64)
Fusion multiplier[Kibito Kai]=A+B(2.5)

Base Gohan(Rusty): 400,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 20,000,000

Base Goten: 400,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 20,000,000

Base Trunks: 420,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 21,000,000

Base Gohan(Post training):
38,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 1,900,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 3,800,000,000

Base Goten(Post training): 500,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 25,000,000

Base Trunks(Post training): 520,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 26,000,000

Piccolo: 1,200,000,000

Kibito: 34,000,000

Shin: 1,600,000,000

Base Vegeta: 53,600,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 2,680,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 5,360,000,000

Pui Pui: 20,000,000

Yakon: 40,000,000

Dabura: 3,800,000,000

Base Goku: 67,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 3,350,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 6,700,000,000

Base Majin Vegeta: 67,000,000
Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta: 3,350,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta: 6,700,000,000

Innocent Boo(Docile): 4,300,000,000
Innocent Boo(Angry): 7,000,000,000
Innocent Boo(Angrier): 15,000,000,000
Innocent Boo(Full power): 21,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 26,800,000,000

Base Gotenks: 65,280,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks: 3,264,000,000

Base Gohan(Post Z-Sword training): 68,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 3,400,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 6,800,000,000

Good Boo(Split): 4,300,000,000
Evil Boo: 16,700,000,000

Super Boo: 31,000,000,000

Goten(Post rosat): 600,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 30,000,000

Trunks(Post Rosat): 620,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 31,000,000

Base Gotenks(Post rosat): 78,080,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks: 3,904,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks: 31,232,000,000

Ultimate Gohan: 24,000,000,000,000

Kibito Kai: 4,085,000,000

Super Boo w/Gotenks+Piccolo absorbed: 30,000,000,000,000
Super Boo w/Piccolo+Goten+Trunks absorbed: 35,000,000,000
Super Boo w/Trunks+Goten+Piccolo+Gohan absorbed: 34,000,000,000,000
Super Boo w/Trunks+Goten+Piccolo+Gohan absorbed(Angry): 530,000,000,000,000

Base Vegito: 32,160,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegito: 1,608,000,000,000,000

South Supreme Kai: 55,000,000,000

Pure Boo w/South Supreme Kai absorbed: 500,000,000,000,000

Good Boo(Restored): 21,000,000,000

Pure Boo: 60,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Super
[spoiler]Super Saiyan=[50xbase]
Super Saiyan 2=[2xSuper Saiyan]/[100xbase]
Super Saiyan 3=[4xSuper Saiyan 2]/[400xbase]
Quake of Fury=[800,000xbase]
Super Saiyan God=[1,200,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Blue=[1.12xSuper Saiyan God]/[1,344,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Blue(Post rage boost)=[1,400,000xbase]
Golden Frieza=[1,400,000xFinal form]
Super Saiyan Rose=[1,600xbase]
Strengthened Super Saiyan 2=[7.95xSuper Saiyan]/[397.5xbase]
Super Saiyan Grade 3=[15xSuper Saiyan]/[750xbase]
Super Saiyan Rage=[123,870xbase]
Super Saiyan Blue(Vegito)=[2xbase]
Barrier of Light=1.1xMerged Zamasu
Light of Justice=1.95xMerged
Zamasu
Fusion multiplier[Gotenks]=A+B(64)
Fusion multiplier[Vegito]=A+B(755,000)
Fusion multiplier[Merged Zamasu]=A+B(1.1)
Super Saiyan Berserker=[20,000,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Berserker(Controlled)=[750xbase]

Battle of Gods arc Base Goku: 68,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 3,400,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 6,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 27,200,000,000

Beerus(Suppressed): 2,000,000,000,000,000

Battle of Gods arc Base Vegeta: 68,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 3,400,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 6,800,000,000

Battle of Gods arc Piccolo: 1,300,000,000

Battle of Gods arc Base Goten: 600,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 30,000,000

Battle of Gods arc Base Trunks: 620,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 31,000,000

Base Gotenks: 78,080,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks: 3,904,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks: 31,232,000,000

Ultimate Gohan(Weakened): 24,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta(Quake of Fury): 54,400,000,000,000
Galick Gun: 2,720,000,000,000,000

Beerus(10%): 10,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku(Collected Ki): 100,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan God Goku(Initial): 20,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku(1st power up): 30,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku(2nd power up): 45,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku: 60,000,000,000,000,000

Base Goku(Saiyan Beyond God): 50,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(God's crimson radiance): 60,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Powered up): 63,000,000,000,000,000

Beerus(70%): 70,000,000,000,000,000
Beerus: 100,000,000,000,000,000

Whis: 150,000,000,000,000,000

Rebirth of F arc Piccolo: 1,400,000,000

Shisami: 1,500,000,000

Rebirth of F arc Base Gohan: 68,000,000
Base Gohan(Weakened Ultimate power): 1,700,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 3,400,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan(Weakened Ultimate power): 85,000,000,000

Tagoma: 2,300,000,000
Ginyu(Tagoma's body): 2,800,000,000

First form Frieza: 12,325,000,000
Final form Frieza: 49,300,000,000

Rebirth of F arc Base Goku: 50,300,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Holding back): 60,300,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 67,603,200,000,000,000

Rebirth of F arc Base Vegeta: 50,300,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 67,603,200,000,000,000

Golden Frieza(Holding back): 62,000,000,000,000,000
Golden Frieza: 69,020,000,000,000,000
Golden Frieza(Tired): 50,000,000,000,000,000

Universe 6 arc Base Gohan: 5,000,000,000

Universe 6 arc Base Goku(Vs Botamo): 3,000,000,000
Universe 6 arc Base Goku(Vs Frost): 20,000,000,000
Universe 6 arc Base Goku: 50,350,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 2,517,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 67,670,400,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken Goku: 135,340,800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaiokenx10 Goku: 676,704,000,000,000,000

Universe 6 arc Base Vegeta: 50,350,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 2,517,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 67,670,400,000,000,000

Universe 6 arc Piccolo: 5,000,000,000
Special beam cannon(Far beyond limits): 100,000,000,000

Botamo: 1,000,000,000

First form Frost: 12,250,000,000
Assault form Frost: 24,500,000,000
Final form Frost: 49,000,000,000
Final form Frost(Weakened): 30,000,000,000

Magetta: 45,000,000,000
Magetta(1st power up): 100,000,000,000
Magetta(2nd power up): 2,000,000,000,000

Base Cabba: 46,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Cabba: 2,300,000,000,000

Hit: 50,000,000,000,000,000

Champa: 99,500,000,000,000,000

Vados: 155,000,000,000,000,000

Base Future Trunks: 50,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 2,525,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks: 5,050,000,000,000
Strengthened Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks: 20,073,750,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks: 37,875,000,000,000

Goku Black: 24,000,000,000,000

Future Trunks arc Base Goku: 50,450,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 2,522,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 5,045,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 20,180,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 67,804,800,000,000,000

Future Trunks arc Base Vegeta: 50,450,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 67,804,800,000,000,000

Goku Black(Vs Goku): 4,500,000,000,000
Goku Black(1st power up): 5,045,000,000,000
Goku Black(2nd power up): 21,000,000,000,000

Zamasu: 5,000,000,000,000

Base Future Trunks(Post training): 57,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 2,862,500,000,000
Strengthened Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks: 22,756,875,000,000

Base Goku Black(Zenkai): 42,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 67,200,000,000,000,000

Base Goku black(2nd Zenkai): 42,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 68,000,000,000,000,000

Future Zamasu: 5,000,000,000,000

Future Trunks arc Base Goku: 50,450,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Rage boost): 70,630,000,000,000,000

Base Goku Black(3rd Zenkai): 44,322,234,375,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 70,915,575,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks: 70,915,575,000,000,000

Base Vegeta(Post training): 57,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 78,800,000,000,000,000

Base Goku(Post Black fight): 57,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 78,800,000,000,000,000

Base Goku Black(Rage boost): 50,125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 80,200,000,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu: 88,225,500,000,000,000
Merged Zamasu(Barrier of Light): 97,048,050,000,000,000
Light of Absolution: 80,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta(Full power): 80,150,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Full power): 80,150,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken Goku: 160,300,000,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu(Light of Justice): 172,039,725,000,000,000

Base Vegito: 86,447,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito: 172,895,000,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu(Power stressed): 25,805,958,750,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks(Sword of Light): 100,000,000,000,000,000,000

Future Trunks arc Hit: 65,000,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Base Goku: 57,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 2,862,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 5,725,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 80,150,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken: 160,300,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Base Gohan(Ultimate): 57,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 2,862,500,000,000

Good Boo(Docile): 4,300,000,000
Good Boo(Angry): 18,000,000,000
Good Boo(Full power): 21,000,000,000

Basil: 5,000,000,000
Basil(Full power): 13,000,000,000
Basil(Drug powered): 19,500,000,000

Lavender: 13,500,000,000

Bergamo: 57,350,000,000
Bergamo(Powered up): 3,000,000,000,000
Bergamo(Further powered up): 120,000,000,000,000,000

Sidra: 80,000,000,000,000,000

Toppo: 80,000,000,000,000,000
Toppo(Full power): 90,000,000,000,000,000

Belmod: 95,000,000,000,000,000

Grand Priest: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000

Zeno: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Krillin: 65,000,000

Universe survival arc Android 18: 4,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Piccolo(Weighted): 4,600,000,000,000
Piccolo: 5,600,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 5,725,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan(Original power): 24,000,000,000,000

Good Boo(Post training): 58,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Android 17: 80,000,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Tien: 60,000,000

Universe survival arc Max Power Master Roshi(Witchcraft): 57,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan(Post training): 80,000,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Base Goku(Post training): 57,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 2,875,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 5,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 80,500,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Base Vegeta(Post training): 57,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 2,875,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 80,500,000,000,000,000

Final form Frieza(Post training): 57,500,000,000
Golden Frieza: 80,500,000,000,000,000

Chappil: 12,000,000,000

Hop: 10,000,000,000

Hyssop: 11,000,000,000

Narirama: 9,000,000,000

Nigrisshi: 30,000,000,000

Napapa: 20,000,000,000

Murichim: 25,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Base Cabba: 52,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Cabba: 2,600,000,000,000

Base Caulifla: 53,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Caulifla: 2,650,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Caulifla: 39,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla: 5,300,000,000,000

Base Kale: 4,950,000,000
Super Saiyan Berserker Kale: 99,000,000,000,000,000

Tupper: 56,000,000,000

Kettol: 55,000,000,000

Cocotte: 40,000,000,000

Zoiray: 45,000,000,000

Kahseral: 2,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Berserker Kale(Controlled): 3,712,500,000,000

Su Roas: 4,000,000,000
Rozie: 45,000,000,000

Sanka ku: 5,000,000,000
Kakunsa: 1,000,000,000,000

Brianne de Chateau: 6,000,000,000
Ribrianne: 2,500,000,000,000
Ribrianne(Maiden's Anger): 80,000,000,000,000,000

Obuni: 57,000,000,000

Kunshi: 10,000,000,000,000,000

Dyspo: 50,000,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Hit: 70,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan God Goku: 69,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Maximized power): 91,770,000,000,000,000

Universe survival arc Master Roshi: 28,500,000
Max Power Master Roshi: 57,000,000
Max Power Master Roshi(Beyond limits): 57,000,000,000

Ganos: 10,000,000,000
Transformed Ganos: 35,000,000,000
Transformed Ganos(Powered up): 45,000,000,000

Maji Kayo: 20,000,000,000

Final form Frost(Strengthened spirit): 54,000,000,000

Magetta: 2,000,000,000,000

Jimeze: 45,000,000,000

Final form Frieza(100%): 82,000,000,000

Final form Frost(100%): 77,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Kaiokenx20 Goku: 1,610,000,000,000,000,000

Jiren: 3,000,000,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:33 pm

I have a question. What do you think is the level that Gohan and Krillin had during the early Namek arc before their have their potential unlocked?

I know, at least for Krillin's case, that is probably higher than 1,770 from the Saiyan arc. We also know they were read as 1,500 when being suppressed.

Gohan, on the other hand is more difficult, we don't know what his saiyan arc strenght would be, 2,800 is in his angry state, 981 is in his suppressed state. If I was given the option, I would say he is around 1,300 or something like that, which could be around the strenght he had when he was angry against Raditz. It would make sense that Gohan would've eventually get to that level. But later in the Namek arc we don't know how strong he could be.

It's possible that they are both around 2,000, but I'm not sure.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ahill1 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:59 pm

Context: Great Elder talking about the son of Katatz
Great Elder: He split in two after evil entered into him... how foolish, he diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth.


There're many people that take that to mean Kami and Piccolo Daimao each got 50% of the original Namekian's power, right? But wouldn't that make young Kami and Piccolo Daimao exceptionally powerful? I mean, when Kuririn came at his house the Great Elder wondered if the son of Katatz's slayer was a Super Saiyajin and stated that he might not have had to die if he came back together as one... wouldn't that make the original Super Namekian hella strong?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:01 pm

ahill1 wrote:Context: Great Elder talking about the son of Katatz
Great Elder: He split in two after evil entered into him... how foolish, he diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth.


There're many people that take that to mean Kami and Piccolo Daimao each got 50% of the original Namekian's power, right? But wouldn't that make young Kami and Piccolo Daimao exceptionally powerful? I mean, when Kuririn came at his house the Great Elder wondered if the son of Katatz's slayer was a Super Saiyajin and stated that he might not have had to die if he came back together as one... wouldn't that make the original Super Namekian hella strong?
I don't think so. Maybe the original Nameless Namekian was just that weak. Earth seems to have bad conditions to grow up, considering a gifted fighter Goku only raised to 900ish and once he got on the appropiated conditions his power rose to 8,000.
Guru stated he'd survive if he fused again, not if he never splited. If Saiyan Arc fused with Piccolo he'd be 4,000-5,000ish, and considering Nappa was an elite and was about 8,000 i think he should manage to survive pretty well against average Saiyans.

dragonball0900 wrote:I have a question. What do you think is the level that Gohan and Krillin had during the early Namek arc before their have their potential unlocked?

I know, at least for Krillin's case, that is probably higher than 1,770 from the Saiyan arc. We also know they were read as 1,500 when being suppressed.

Gohan, on the other hand is more difficult, we don't know what his saiyan arc strenght would be, 2,800 is in his angry state, 981 is in his suppressed state. If I was given the option, I would say he is around 1,300 or something like that, which could be around the strenght he had when he was angry against Raditz. It would make sense that Gohan would've eventually get to that level. But later in the Namek arc we don't know how strong he could be.

It's possible that they are both around 2,000, but I'm not sure.
Yeah, something about that is good. I'd raise Gohan to 1,500; 1,300 sounds too far. Personally i have Gohan at 1,500 and Kuririn at 1,800.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:15 am

When I did a power level for the main series I posted the results here and the comments people made helped me change things around and improve on it quite a bit.

I've now made a power level list for the movies though this was quite a bit harder to do. Os any thoughts or any corrections that I should make would be appreciated.

Dead Zone

Goku (Weights) – 334 
Goku – 416 

Piccolo (Weights) – 322 
Piccolo – 408 

Gohan (Enraged) – 1,307 
Kami – 290

Garlic Jr – 362
Super Garlic Jr – 500 
Ginger – 258 
Nicky – 258 
Sansho – 258 

The World’s Strongest 

Goku – 8,000 
Goku (Kaioken x2) – 16,000 
Goku (Kaioken x3) – 24,000 
Goku (Kaioken x4) – 32,000 

Piccolo – 7,600 
Gohan – 1,900 
Krillin – 1,770 

Dr Wheelo – 27,000 
Dr Wheelo (Powered Up) – 40,000 
Ebifurya – 7,100 
Misokatsun – 7,100 
Kishime – 7,100 

The Tree of Might

Goku – 30,000 
Goku (Kaioken x2) – 60,000 
Goku (Kaioken x10) – 300,000 

Piccolo – 18,000 
Gohan – 10,000 
Tien – 8,100 
Krillin – 7,900 
Yamcha – 7,300 
Chiaotzu – 3,600 

Turles – 22,500 
Turles (Post Fruit) – 375,000 
Daiz – 13,000 
Amond – 9,100 
Cacao – 8,400 
Rasin – 8,000 
Lakasei – 7,600 

Lord Slug

Goku – 90,000 
Goku (False Super Saiyan) – 4,500,000 
Goku (Kaioken x100) – 9,000,000 

Piccolo – 47,500 
Gohan – 14,000 

Lord Slug – 3,600,000 
Lord Slug (Great Namek) – 6,600,000 
Agila – 47,000 
Medamatcha – 47,000 
Wings – 38,000 

Cooler’s Revenge

Goku – 3,600,000 
Super Saiyan Goku – 180,000,000 

Piccolo – 130,000 
Gohan – 22,000 
Krillin – 20,000 

Cooler – 4,400,000 
Cooler (Final Form) – 145,000,000 

Salza – 125,000 
Neiz – 96,000 
Dore – 96,000 

The Return of Cooler

Goku – 5,200,000
Super Saiyan Goku – 260,000,000

Vegeta – 5,400,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 270,000,000

Piccolo – 190,000,000 

Gohan – 4,000,000 
Krillin – 3,500,000 

Meta-Cooler – 300,000,000 

Super Android 13

Goku – 5,200,000 
Super Saiyan Goku – 260,000,000 
Super Saiyan Goku (Spirit Bomb Absorbed) – 440,000,000 

Vegeta – 5,400,000 
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 270,000,000 

Trunks – 4,800,000 
Super Saiyan Trunks – 240,000,000 

Piccolo – 190,000,000 

Gohan – 4,000,000 
Krillin – 3,500,000 

Android 13 – 260,000,000 
Super Android 13 – 340,000,000 
Android 14 – 215,000,000 
Android 15 – 240,000,000 

The Legendary Super Saiyan Broly

Goku – 44,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku – 2,200,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Power Absorbed) – 3,900,000,000 

Gohan – 44,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan – 2,200,000,000

Vegeta – 32,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 1,600,000,000

Trunks – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks – 1,500,000,000

Piccolo – 1,000,000,000 

Broly – 46,000,000
Super Saiyan Broly – 2,300,000,000 
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly – 2,900,000,000

Paragus – 4,000 

Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans

Goku – 44,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku – 2,200,000,000

Gohan – 44,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan – 2,200,000,000

Vegeta – 32,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 1,600,000,000

Trunks – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks – 1,500,000,000

Piccolo – 1,000,000,000  

Hatchiyack – 3,250,000,000 

Bojack Unbound 

Gohan – 64,000,000 
Super Saiyan Gohan – 3,200,000,000 
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan – 6,400,000,000 

Vegeta – 36,000,000 
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 1,800,000,000 

Trunks – 34,000,000 
Super Saiyan Trunks – 1,700,000,000 

Piccolo – 1,200,000,000 

Bojack – 2,250,000,000 
Bojack (Transformed) – 3,600,000,000

Bido – 1,800,000,000 
Bujin – 1,800,000,000 
Zangya – 1,800,000,000 
Kogu – 780,000,000 
Kogu (Transformed) – 1,250,000,000 

Broly Second Coming 
 
Gohan – 55,000,000 
Super Saiyan Gohan – 2,750,000,000 
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan – 5,500,000,000 

Goten – 34,000,000 
Super Saiyan Goten – 1,700,000,000 

Kid Trunks – 36,000,000 
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks – 1,800,000,000 

Broly – 110,000,000 
Super Saiyan Broly – 5,500,000,000 
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly – 6,900,000,000 

Bio-Broly 
 
Goten – 34,000,000 
Super Saiyan Goten – 1,700,000,000 

Kid Trunks – 36,000,000 
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks – 1,800,000,000 

Android 18 - 340,000,000

Bio-Broly - 2,200,000,000

Fusion Reborn

Goku – 100,000,000 
Super Saiyan Goku – 5,000,000,000 
Super Saiyan 2 Goku – 10,000,000,000 
Super Saiyan 3 Goku – 40,000,000,000 

Vegeta – 85,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 4,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta – 8,500,000,000

Gogeta – 1,500,000,000 
Super Saiyan Gogeta – 75,000,000,000 

Pikkon – 2,400,000,000 

Janemba – 25,000,000,000 
Super Janemba – 55,000,000,000 

Wrath of the Dragon

Goku – 1,250,000,000 
Super Saiyan Goku – 62,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku – 500,000,000,000

Vegeta – 85,000,000 
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 4,250,000,000 
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta – 8,500,000,000 

Goten – 34,000,000 
Super Saiyan Goten – 1,700,000,000 

Kid Trunks – 36,000,000 
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks – 1,800,000,000  

Gotenks – 600,000,000 
Super Saiyan Gotenks – 30,000,000,000 
Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks – 60,000,000,000 
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks – 240,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan – 360,000,000,000

Hirudegarn – 450,000,000,000

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Noah » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:27 pm

Bullza wrote:I've now made a power level list for the movies though this was quite a bit harder to do. Os any thoughts or any corrections that I should make would be appreciated
So you have Movie 12 SSJ2 Vegeta stronger than Movie 10 LSSJ Broly? Not that I have a problem with it, but in your view Broly has improved but if he had fought SSJ2 Goku or SSJ2 Vegeta instead of Gohan, he would lost?
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:48 pm

Bullza wrote: Cooler’s Revenge

Goku – 3,600,000 
Super Saiyan Goku – 180,000,000 

Piccolo – 130,000 
Gohan – 22,000 
Krillin – 20,000 

Cooler – 4,400,000 
Cooler (Final Form) – 145,000,000 

Salza – 125,000 
Neiz – 96,000 
Dore – 96,000 
This is a nice list. Though your levels for Movie 5 seem a bit off. This movie takes place after Frieza's defeat. Goku's level is fine, as well as Cooler's (though him in 4th form being at base Goku's level is a bit strange, but anyway, it's not something I would change).

Since the movie takes place after Frieza's defeat, Piccolo was already fused with Nail, so his level should be above 1 million, probably already reaching 2,000,000 or above that. Cooler's Armored Squadron, despite being beaten effortlessly, they still manage to give Piccolo a good fight, specially Salza, so they should be closer to the millions too. I would give them the Weekly Shōnen Jump numbers plus adding a digit number. Salza would be 1,700,000. Neiz would be 1,630,000. Dore, being the weakest, should be around 1,500,000.

Gohan also recieved zenkais on Namek, one boost for the Recoome fight giving his power above 23,000, and later kept rising until he recieved a final zenkai from 2nd Form Frieza. Gohan would already be at 200,000 (his number from V-Jump), which supports the Cooler Squadron being close or around the millions, since they stomped Gohan with no effort at all. Krillin would be at around 75,000 (also from V-Jump) with his power already rising during the course of Namek.

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Post by Bullza » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:08 am

Noah wrote:So you have Movie 12 SSJ2 Vegeta stronger than Movie 10 LSSJ Broly? Not that I have a problem with it, but in your view Broly has improved but if he had fought SSJ2 Goku or SSJ2 Vegeta instead of Gohan, he would lost?
That's a good point, I'm not entirely sure actually.

Broly was much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan but at the same time SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta should be aswell so wouldn't they be able to do the same? This would have been Vegeta father he was powered up by Babidi too and Goku was said to have grown even stronger while Vegeta was dead.

That final Kamehameha that defeated Broly, was Gohan a SSJ2 there aswell? Goku shouldn't be because he hadn't become one at the time. Would SSJ2 Vegeta have won that clash?
dragonball0900 wrote:Since the movie takes place after Frieza's defeat, Piccolo was already fused with Nail, so his level should be above 1 million, probably already reaching 2,000,000 or above that.
Well that's all true but I went off of what they said about Salza's history. He was supposed to be a rival of Jeice's. The Armoured Squadron are supposed to be an equivalent of the Ginyu Force so I had them around that level.

I know based on where Piccolo should probably be the three should be a lot stronger but does it make sense for them to be stronger than Frieza in his second form? It didn't really seem like they should be which is why I had to nerf Piccolo and Gohan. Which would just mean that events played out differently in this time line.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ahill1 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:13 pm

Battle power list following Freeza > base Saiyans.


Multipliers:

SSJ : 50x
SSJG2 : 75x
FPSSJ : 75x
SSJ2 : 150x [2x FPSSJ]
SSJ3 : 600x


--> I like to keep the SSJ ~ SSJG2 power up as ~70%, because I see Vegeta's power up into grade 2 rather similar to Freeza's power up from 70% to 100%... I am operating under the belief that "Freeza 70% to 100%", "Vegeta SSJ to SSJG2" and "Cell suppressed to full power" are all similar power ups due to the similarity in the physical structure change... they are all "Grade 2-esque" power ups;

--> I'm also operating under the belief that the SSJ multiplier is increased [to Grade 2's level] when the Saiyan masters it. It's still simply a SSJ, sure, but I believe that when made as a natural form, the Saiyan can access the Grade 2's multiplier without suffering from body's strain, unlike Vegeta with SSJG2, who could access such power but have to transform to do so. Vegeta and Trunks were just forcing power into his SSJ without allowing the SSJ to acclimate to that power, whereas Goku and Gohan conditioned their SSJs to hold that much chi, which would manifest itself without physical strains.

The multiplier of a mastered SSJ being on par with Grade 2's also help to explain why Vegeta and Trunks didn't use them against the Cell Juniors when it was stated they grant a considerable power and speed boost, as well as giving Vegeta the edge against an opponent [Semi Cell] who was stronger than his SSJ form.


Goku vs Freeza

Goku Super Saiyajin : 150,000,000
Freeza : 140,000,000

[I prefer to have 100% Freeza at 140,000,000 since I don't think the fight was one-sided to the point of having a 1.25x gap. Besides, it does help to keep Boo saga base Goku farther from Freeza]


Future Trunks' arrival

Piccolo : 2,800,000

Vegeta : 3,000,000

King Cold : 80,000,000

Mecha Freeza [suppressed] : 80,000,000
~ full power : 160,000,000

Future Trunks : 4,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 200,000,000

Son Goku : 4,400,000
~ Super Saiyan : 220,000,000


3 years after

Yamcha : 1,800,000

Tenshinhan : 2,400,000

Kuririn : 3,600,000

Son Gohan : 4,500,000

Piccolo [suporessed] : 5,200,000

Android #19 : 170,000,000
~ Post absorptions : 212,500,000

Android #20 : 190,000,000
~ Post absorptions : 228,000,000

Piccolo [full power] : 260,000,000

Future Trunks : 6,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 300,000,000

Son Goku : 6,600,000
~ Super Saiyan : 330,000,000

Vegeta : 6,800,000
~ Super Saiyan : 340,000,000

Imperfect Cell : 360,000,000

Piccolo w/kami [weighted] : 450,000,000

Android #18 : 450,000,000

Android #17 : 500,000,000

Piccolo [without weights] : 500,000,000

Imperfect Cell [post humans absorptions] : 700,000,000

Android #16 : 700,000,000

Semi Perfect Cell [initial] : 1,200,000,000
~ Full power : 1,400,000,000

Vegeta [post RoSaT] : 24,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 1,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Grade 2 : 1,800,000,000

Future Trunks [post RoSaT] : 22,400,000
~ Super Saiyan : 1,120,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Grade 2 : 1,700,000,000

Perfect Cell [initial chi output] : 1,650,000,000
~ vs Vegeta and Trunks : 2,700,000,000

Future Trunks Super Saiyan Grade 3 : 3,200,000,000
---> speed level : 800,000,000

Son Goku Super Saiyan about half [post RoSaT] : 2,700,000,000



Cell Games

Android #16 : 700,000,000

Piccolo : 2,800,000,000 [I would like to make him even stronger to justify his good performance, but he's limited by Kaioshin, who is way stronger than him and yet considerably weaker than SSJ Gohan]

Future Trunks : 42,666,666 (nice number, I know... but that's what I get with a 75x FPSSJ multiplier :clap:)
~ Super Saiyan : 3,200,000,000

Vegeta : 44,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 3,300,000,000

Cell Juniors [each] : 3,500,000,000



Son Goku Super Saiyajin [about 50%] : 2,700,000,000
~ Full power : 5,000,000,000

Perfect Cell [warm up] : 2,700,000,000
--> putting a little more effort : 3,000,000,000
----> powered up, vs Goku : 5,500,000,000

Son Gohan Super Saiyan : 6,000,000,000

Perfect Cell [full power] : 8,000,000,000

Perfect Cell [post Zenkai] : 11,500,000,000

Son Gohan Super Saiyan 2 : 12,500,000,000 [I like to give him a slight boost on top of his SSJ2, which better helps to fit the Boo saga gaps... maybe you could even say it's the boost when he slightly increased his power by looking at his friends being beaten up by the Cell Juniors]


Boo saga

Kibito : 60,000,000

Yakon : 110,000,000

Android #18 : 450,000,000

Piccolo : 3,000,000,000

East Kaioshin : 4,000,000,000

Son Goten : 60,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000

Chibi Trunks : 62,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 4,650,000,000

Son Gohan : 66,666,667
~ Super Saiyan : 5,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 10,000,000,000

Dabura : 5,500,000,000 [since I think Gohan was a SSJ1, Dabura being at the Cell's [vs Goku] level seems best fitting]

Vegeta : 80,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 6,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 12,000,000,000
---> Majin : 14,000,000,000

Son Goku : 93,333,333
~ Super Saiyan : 7,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 14,000,000,000

Boo is released

Fat Boo [initial] : 11,000,000,000
~ Enraged, vs Dabura : 15,500,000,000
~ Even further enraged, vs Vegeta : 17,000,000,000
~ Huge explosion : 30,000,000,000
~ Full power, vs SSJ3 Goku : 48,000,000,000

Son Goku Super Saiyan 3 : 56,000,000,000

Gotenks Super Saiyan [pre RoSaT] : 65,000,000,000


Post RoSaT


Gotenks Super Saiayjin : 100,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 : 200,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 : 800,000,000,000


Good Boo : 30,000,000,000
Grey Boo : 18,000,000,000
Super Boo : 800,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan : 1,200,000,000,000

Bootenks : 1,600,000,000,000 [the absorptions work by addition, imo]

Boohan : 2,000,000,000,000

Vegetto Super Saiyan : 4,000,000,000,000

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:25 pm

ahill1 wrote:Numbas
Isn't Cold too far from Cyborg Freeza? He was supposed to be backing up Freeza against Goku.

20 is too close to Trunks. Piccolo thought he was one of the Androids who stomped Trunks.

Goku wasn't using 50% at the Warm up. Piccolo was surprised 50% Goku can't beat Cell, despite sensing his Bulked up power and at the Cell Games everybody was like "Now the real fight starts!" when Goku prepared to power up, what doesn't make sense if Goku was already at what they thought it was his full power.

Shin is too close to Piccolo IMO. 1.33x doesn't sounds like "Worlds above", look at Vegeta vs Recoome. I think something like this works better:
Piccolo: 50
Kaioshin: 75-80
SSJ Gohan: 100

I think Dabura > Gohan sounds very unlikely, even more with a Goku/Cell gap. Dabura failed to even scratch Gohan with his blast and Gohan was able to break his sword and was the only one to land a solid it on a head to head fight.

Base Saiyans >>> Freeza :evil: :evil:

Other than that, good job.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:37 pm

Bullza wrote: Well that's all true but I went off of what they said about Salza's history. He was supposed to be a rival of Jeice's. The Armoured Squadron are supposed to be an equivalent of the Ginyu Force so I had them around that level.

I know based on where Piccolo should probably be the three should be a lot stronger but does it make sense for them to be stronger than Frieza in his second form? It didn't really seem like they should be which is why I had to nerf Piccolo and Gohan. Which would just mean that events played out differently in this time line.
I see. Though considering that Piccolo and Goku saw Cooler and thought it was Frieza at first glance, it would make some sense that all the events from Namek, at least up until Goku is fighting with Final Form Frieza, remained the same. I would simply ignore the quotes of them being equal to the Ginyu's, maybe they were rivals in the past, but kept on training and that's why they were close to post-Nail Piccolo. Maybe they don't need to be in the millions, but probably at least close to it like between 800,000 and 900,000 (which is above Gohan's 200,000), though Salza is probably the only one that I'm sure did surpass the millions.

Anyway, here are my new levels for the Dragon Ball-only series. It's a slightly improved version of the old one (specially from the 22nd Budokai and on), but I still had to ignore the "Old Piccolo" 50% statement since it won't make sense with this list. This time there are no explanations written for the levels, I just can't be bothered at the moment taking up a lot of time to make them. Here they are:


Early Dragon Ball Arc:

[spoiler]Goku - 30
Hungry Goku - 26
Tailless Goku - 27
Oozaru Goku - 300

Yamcha - 25
Wolf Fang Fist - 27

Krillin - 22

Chi Chi - 23

Ox King - 40[/spoiler]


21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc

[spoiler]Goku - 50
Tailless Goku - 45
Oozaru Goku - 500

Roshi - 55

Nam - 40

Krillin - 36

Giran - 34

Bacterian - 32

Yamcha - 30

Ranfan - 25[/spoiler]


Red Ribbon Arc

[spoiler]Goku - 50
Goku (post Muscle Tower) - 55
Goku (post Korin training) - 95

Korin - 120

Black - 45
Battle Jacket - 80

Tao Pai Pai - 76

Android 8 - 70

Roshi - 55

Pirate Robot - 47

Bora - 45

General Blue - 43

Buyon - 40

Ninja Murasaki - 40

Sergeant Metallic - 40

Krillin - 36

General White - 20

Coronel Silver - 20[/spoiler]


Baba Tournament Arc

[spoiler]Goku - 95

Grandpa Gohan - 90

Akkuman - 70

Unknown 4th Fighter - Between 65

Mummy Man - 60

Krillin - 36

Yamcha - 30[/spoiler]


22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc

[spoiler]Goku - 180
Match Level Goku - 160
Match Level Goku (vs Chappa and Krillin) - 120

Tien - 180
Tien (vs Roshi) - 150
Tien (vs Yamcha and Roshi) - 135
Tien (vs Yamcha) - 120

Roshi - 140
Roshi (suppressed) - 125

Tsuru - 130

Krillin - 110

Yamcha - 110

Chiaotzu - 105

King Chappa - 96

Pamputt - 45

Man Wolf - 20[/spoiler]


King Piccolo Arc

[spoiler]Goku - 180
Hungry Goku - 125
Goku (Post Tambourine) - 200
Goku (Post Water) - 300

Old King Piccolo - 265
King Piccolo - 300

Drum - 225

Tien - 180

Yajirobe - 160

Tambourine - 150

Roshi - 140

Cymbal - 110

Chiaotzu - 105

Mr Popo - 450

Kami - 500[/spoiler]


23rd Budokai Arc

[spoiler]Weighted Goku (strenght)- 578
Weighted Goku (speed) - 300
Goku (vs Tien) - 450
Goku (vs Piccolo, warming up) - 640
Goku - 720

Piccolo (vs Krillin) - 300
Piccolo (vs Kami) - 570
Piccolo (vs Goku, warming up) - 640
Piccolo - 720

Kami - 500

Tien (vs Cyborg Tao and Weighted Goku) - 300
Tien - 360

Krillin - 270

Yamcha - 260

Cyborg Tao - 225

Chiaotzu - 160

Yajirobe - 160

Roshi - 154

Chi Chi - 130

King Chappa - 105[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ahill1 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:14 pm

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:Isn't Cold too far from Cyborg Freeza? He was supposed to be backing up Freeza against Goku.
Well, there're some statements made by the Z-senshi that place King Cold and suppressed Mecha Freeza on a more or less equal footing, the latter which was said to be way weaker than his 100% in Namek, by Gohan. Kuririn and Tenshinhan describes both chis as absurdly large, without placing one above the other, which I think would be noticed there was a considerable difference between them. They also showed about the same speed-reactions when dodging Super Saiyajin Trunks' chi blast, both of them with their auras up, which adds to placing suppressed Mecha Freeza and King Cold even with each other.

I don't think you have to be pretty close to be of help on a team battle... Kuririn and Gohan would also supposedly add on defeating Freeza, whom Vegeta knew could transform. Even Jheese helped in completely turning the battle into Ginyu's favor when launching a chi blast at Goku, although you could argue Goku wasn't expecting Jheese's interference in the battle. But all in all, I don't think you need to be quite there to play a big role in a battle, even more when Mecha Freeza is apparently a tiny bit stronger than what he expects from SSJ Goku.
20 is too close to Trunks. Piccolo thought he was one of the Androids who stomped Trunks.
Fair enough, although Piccolo still wondered whether they were as strong as Trunks advised them, which tells me he was expecting a little more from them. Whilst to even warrant such doubt should place them above Trunks from three years ago, I agree, I think being above to a level where he could comfortably beat Trunks (I have Mecha Saga Trunks at 87% of #20, which is bigger than the gap Vegeta had over Zarbon, for instance) would already warrant a question.
Goku wasn't using 50% at the Warm up. Piccolo was surprised 50% Goku can't beat Cell, despite sensing his Bulked up power and at the Cell Games everybody was like "Now the real fight starts!" when Goku prepared to power up, what doesn't make sense if Goku was already at what they thought it was his full power.
I think all of them at the Cell Games already knew -- or at least suspected -- that what Goku showed at Karin wasn't his full power. Piccolo knew he was no match for Cell, which he couldn't possibly know if he still thought Goku's 50% was his FP [unless one's to assume Piccolo was admitting uselesness to a power below Cell Games Vegeta, which seems unlikely given his performance against the Cell Juniors...] and Trunks realized it after Goku stating how Piccolo wouldn't do any good, hence his surprise -- which to me indicates he didn't think Piccolo would be a hot garabage. Vegeta also had a hint about it by the Cell Games, hence him asking Goku to show what he's capable of, which to me also indicates Vegeta still knew Goku had power to spare. So, even if what Goku showed at the warm up was his 50% power, their lack of surprise towards that not being Goku's FP makes sense imo.
Shin is too close to Piccolo IMO. 1.33x doesn't sounds like "Worlds above", look at Vegeta vs Recoome. I think something like this works better:
Sure, I'd like to have the gap a little bigger, but such is prevented by Gohan SSJ, who should still be significantly above Shin. You have Boo saga Piccolo at like 50% of SSJ Boo saga Gohan... do you have Boo saga ssj Gohan noticeably above CG Goku, for example?

Besides, a 75% might be described as "on a different dimension" if we consider the actual example of a 75% we've in the series. Recoome doesn't have an official BP, and for all we know he could be at like 35K~36K... even if he were at 40k, he still had a pretty sizeable lead over Vegeta considering the fight. Kuririn stated he didn't flinch over any of Vegeta's attack, and I've the impression he was pretty much toying, as seen by his lack of visible effort and by him asking something like "Do you have anything more to show, Vegeta? Otherwise I'll just kill you!", which can be interpreted as him just wishing to see what Vegeta's capable of.

In the Spanish version of the manga I have, Vegeta even stated Recoome treats him like a baby... seems like another level of power, honestly.
I think Dabura > Gohan sounds very unlikely, even more with a Goku/Cell gap. Dabura failed to even scratch Gohan with his blast and Gohan was able to break his sword and was the only one to land a solid it on a head to head fight.
I honestly think having Dabura above Gohan seems more fitting with the fight. It's visible Gohan is having more problems on the fight, and is totally focused on it, whereas Dabura seems more collected in general and can even hear Goku and Vegeta's conversation. Dabura's statement later that he can easily take out Gohan with a cheerful face in contrast with Gohan's worried face and remembering of Goku's advice also adds on the Makaioshin's superiority.
Base Saiyans >>> Freeza :evil: :evil:
Haha. There're three possible placements for the base Saiyans in the Boo saga, imo:


---> weaker than Freeza;
---> around the androids' power;
---> stronger than Boo saga Piccolo

Every one of those have evidences supporting it, so it really depends on what you wish to pick from the manga or outside material. I can go with every one of them, although I generally do entertain the latter less.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:59 pm

ahill1 wrote: Well, there're some statements made by the Z-senshi that place King Cold and suppressed Mecha Freeza on a more or less equal footing, the latter which was said to be way weaker than his 100% in Namek, by Gohan. Kuririn and Tenshinhan describes both chis as absurdly large, without placing one above the other, which I think would be noticed there was a considerable difference between them. They also showed about the same speed-reactions when dodging Super Saiyajin Trunks' chi blast, both of them with their auras up, which adds to placing suppressed Mecha Freeza and King Cold even with each other.

I don't think you have to be pretty close to be of help on a team battle... Kuririn and Gohan would also supposedly add on defeating Freeza, whom Vegeta knew could transform. Even Jheese helped in completely turning the battle into Ginyu's favor when launching a chi blast at Goku, although you could argue Goku wasn't expecting Jheese's interference in the battle. But all in all, I don't think you need to be quite there to play a big role in a battle, even more when Mecha Freeza is apparently a tiny bit stronger than what he expects from SSJ Goku.
Well, Freeza did a lot of power ups without transforming. Why can't Cold?

Kuririn and Gohan can be argued to not be too distant from Vegeta based on this comment, though. And like you said, Goku wasn't expecting Jeice to join. Do you really think someone can be useful in a fight if he can't even barely see his foe?
Fair enough, although Piccolo still wondered whether they were as strong as Trunks advised them, which tells me he was expecting a little more from them. Whilst to even warrant such doubt should place them above Trunks from three years ago, I agree, I think being above to a level where he could comfortably beat Trunks (I have Mecha Saga Trunks at 87% of #20, which is bigger than the gap Vegeta had over Zarbon, for instance) would already warrant a question.
Fair enough. IMO 20 post would completely make a fool of Trunks, and Piccolo's reaction was more like "Sure, he's strong... But i thought he'd be like, a hard job to even Vegeta, while even i can manhandle him..."
I think all of them at the Cell Games already knew -- or at least suspected -- that what Goku showed at Karin wasn't his full power. Piccolo knew he was no match for Cell, which he couldn't possibly know if he still thought Goku's 50% was his FP [unless one's to assume Piccolo was admitting uselesness to a power below Cell Games Vegeta, which seems unlikely given his performance against the Cell Juniors...] and Trunks realized it after Goku stating how Piccolo wouldn't do any good, hence his surprise -- which to me indicates he didn't think Piccolo would be a hot garabage. Vegeta also had a hint about it by the Cell Games, hence him asking Goku to show what he's capable of, which to me also indicates Vegeta still knew Goku had power to spare. So, even if what Goku showed at the warm up was his 50% power, their lack of surprise towards that not being Goku's FP makes sense imo.
Goku powered down after showing his power though, and was never shown to power up against until going Full Power. And what about Piccolo's surprise at Cell > Goku despite sensing Bulk Cell? And everybody's shock towards 50% Goku?
Sure, I'd like to have the gap a little bigger, but such is prevented by Gohan SSJ, who should still be significantly above Shin. You have Boo saga Piccolo at like 50% of SSJ Boo saga Gohan... do you have Boo saga ssj Gohan noticeably above CG Goku, for example?

Besides, a 75% might be described as "on a different dimension" if we consider the actual example of a 75% we've in the series. Recoome doesn't have an official BP, and for all we know he could be at like 35K~36K... even if he were at 40k, he still had a pretty sizeable lead over Vegeta considering the fight. Kuririn stated he didn't flinch over any of Vegeta's attack, and I've the impression he was pretty much toying, as seen by his lack of visible effort and by him asking something like "Do you have anything more to show, Vegeta? Otherwise I'll just kill you!", which can be interpreted as him just wishing to see what Vegeta's capable of.

In the Spanish version of the manga I have, Vegeta even stated Recoome treats him like a baby... seems like another level of power, honestly.
Yeah, i know Recoome was playing with Vegeta. But once he got serious it didn't seem like he was worlds above him, at best "A world". The way Piccolo talked about him it sounded like Shin can one shit him IMO.
I honestly think having Dabura above Gohan seems more fitting with the fight. It's visible Gohan is having more problems on the fight, and is totally focused on it, whereas Dabura seems more collected in general and can even hear Goku and Vegeta's conversation. Dabura's statement later that he can easily take out Gohan with a cheerful face in contrast with Gohan's worried face and remembering of Goku's advice also adds on the Makaioshin's superiority.
Gohan slacked off for 7 years, though. His stamina should be pretty shitty at this point. Even with such a power advantage he would be screwed against a fighter like Dabura who has pretty useful techniques. Even Dabura seems to notice that when he calls Gohan trash and earlier tries to avoid head to head fight and tries to only use his techniques in Gohan.
Haha. There're three possible placements for the base Saiyans in the Boo saga, imo:


---> weaker than Freeza;
---> around the androids' power;
---> stronger than Boo saga Piccolo

Every one of those have evidences supporting it, so it really depends on what you wish to pick from the manga or outside material. I can go with every one of them, although I generally do entertain the latter less.
Yeah, i generally go with the last two as well. I'd like to go with the last one, but Vegeta grouped all the Saiyans together on the Ship (If nobody goes SSJ, the conditions are the same) before he knew the Kids would fight on a tournament of their own, but if the kids were above Piccolo, they'd be too far above 18, what doesn't seem to be the case.
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