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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Gog » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:30 pm

Noah wrote:
Bullza wrote:Well Goten was super strong and he couldn't fly. So it's pretty similar with Frieza.
No, it's not. Goten was a 7 years old kid and Freeza was... I don't know... Probably a couple of hundreds years old alien? So he should have more combat experience and after trained for the first time is rational to think he have learned the basics.
Eh, for a human Freeza could be a couple hundred years in age. For a member of his race, I like to imagine that Freeza is a teenager, 14 years of age. But even then its not similar to Freeza, as Freeza was capable of flying and inventing new ki attacks

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Rubens » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:07 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How strong was Vegeta against Jeice?
The only known power level for Vegeta after the initial fight with the Ginyu force is 250,000.
In the manga Vegeta's power was stated to be "almost 30,000" against Recoom; after recovering is when his number becomes debatable: all we know is that he became much stronger than Jheese/Jeice, that the latter was nothing to him; then there's the struggle with Freeza where Vegeta stands his ground and blows up Freeza's scouter as he powers up (to note that if Freeza is using the same scouter model as Ginyu and it had no problem mesuring Goku's power of 180,000, so Vegeta was definitly above that). The conclusion is that Jheese/Jeice is well above 30,000 therefore Vegeta will be much, much higher than that and Freeza's power was 530,000, so Vegeta's has to to be close enough in order to be able hold his own. The guides state he was 250,000 - personally it makes no sense but hey, it's up to you to decide whether you use that number or not.

As for the part of Goten not being able to fly, remember that flight - or rather, the Bukujutsu - is a technique. Goten didn't appear to know any special techniques at that point, all he seemed to know was basic fighting and basic ki blasts; while sparring with Gohan and Trunks he just improved his fighting technique and at the tournament Goten even admits he can't control his ki blasts very well. It's true he's incredibly powerful but he's still just a kid and won't learn techniques on his own. I'd say Goten's case is like giving a really fast car to someone who is learning how to drive and Freeza's is like someone who is a experienced driver with a fast car that never bothered to tune it up or to improve his driving skills (I hope the analogy makes sense). That's how I see it at least.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:18 am

DanielSSJ wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How strong was Vegeta against Jeice?
The only known power level for Vegeta after the initial fight with the Ginyu force is 250,000.
I'm looking for his power level pre-nap, when he asked Jeice to read his power level. He clearly wasn't at 250,000 back then.

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Post by emperior » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:20 pm

Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 400x Base

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 2
Potara = [(A+B)] x 6

Dragon Ball Minus

[spoiler]Jaco - 50
Bardock - 2,500
Gine - 500[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Z


Raditz Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Weighted - 334
Full Power - 416

Piccolo
Weighted - 322
Full Power - 408

Gohan
Base - 1
Anger - 1,307

Raditz - 1,200

Master Roshi - 139
Krillin - 206
Tenshinan - 250
Kami - 300
Mr Popo - 200[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 8000
Kaioken x2 - 16,000
Kaioken x3 - 24,000
Kaioken x4 - 32,000

Gohan
Base - 980
Angered - 2700

Piccolo - 2,500
Krillin - 1,770
Yamcha - 1,480
Tenshinan - 1,830
Yajirobe - 970
Chiaotzu - 610

Saibamen - 1,200

Nappa - 4,000

Vegeta
Base - 18,000
Great Ape Full Power - 180,000
Great Ape - 60,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc

[spoiler]Goku (Arrival)
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 90,000
Kaioken vs Ginyu - 120,000
Kaioken x2 - 180,000

Krillin (Power unlocked) - 12,000
Gohan (Power unlocked) - 15,000
Nail - 42,000
Namekian Warriors - 3,000

Vegeta
Base - 24,000
1st Zenkai - 30,000
2nd Zenkai - 250,000

Cui - 18,000
Dodoria - 22,000

Zarbon
Base - 23,000
Transformed - 28,000

Recoome - 40,000
Burter - 50,000
Jeice - 45,000
Guldo - 50
Captain Ginyu - 90,000
Ginyu in Goku’s body - 23,000[/spoiler]

Freezer Arc

[spoiler]Goku after Zenkai
Base - 3,000,000
Kaioken x10 - 30,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 60,000,000
Super Saiyan - 150,000,000

Krillin - 75,000

Gohan after Zenkai
Base - 200,000
Angry - 1,000,000

Piccolo - 1,200,000

Vegeta
Base - 300,000
After Zenkai - 1,500,000

Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,300,000
3rd form - 3,000,000
Final Form 50% - 60,000,000
Final Form - 120,000,000
100% Form - 150,000,000[/spoiler]

Trunks Arc

[spoiler]Mecha Freezer - 160,000,000

King Cold - 100,000,000

King Cold's soldiers - 1,000

Future Trunks
Base - 3,400,000
SSJ - 170,000,000

Goku
Base - 3,500,000
SSJ - 175,000,000

Vegeta - 3,000,000
Piccolo - 2,500,000
Gohan - 300,000
Krillin - 75,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 18,000[/spoiler]

Androids Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 3,600,000
SSJ - 180,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 90,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 3,800,000
SSJ - 190,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 3,400,000
SSJ - 170,000,000

Piccolo - 150,000,000

Gohan - 1,200,000
Tenshinhan - 40,000
Krillin - 80,000
Yamcha - 30,000

Android 19 - 120,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 140,000,000
Dr.Gero - 110,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 130,000,000

Android 18 - 240,000,000
Android 17 - 250,000,000[/spoiler]

Cell Arc

[spoiler]Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 250,000,000
Worn Out - 240,000,000

Android 16 - 260,000,000
Android 18 - 240,000,000
Android 17 - 250,000,000

Cell
Imperfect - 240,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 250,000,000
Semi Perfect - 300,000,000
Perfect Cell (Suppressed)- 400,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 7,000,000
SSJ - 350,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 2 - 400,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 90%)

Trunks
Base - 6,800,000
SSJ - 340,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 2 - 390,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 90%)
SSJ Grade 3 - 440,000,000 (Speed = 80%, Stamina = 80%)
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power level his greater than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)[/spoiler]

Cell Games

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 14,500,000
FPSSJ - 725,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 100%)
After battle with Cell - 375,000,000

Perfect Cell
Suppressed vs Goku - 700,000,000
Suppressed vs Gohan - 750,000,000
Full Power - 1,000,000,000
Super Perfect - 1,200,000,000

Gohan
Base - 15,000,000
FPSSJ - 750,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 100%)
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
Wounded - 1,000,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 1,700,000,000

Cell Jr - 400,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 8,000,000
SSJ - 400,000,000

Trunks
Base - 7,800,000
SSJ - 390,000,000

Piccolo - 400,000,000[/spoiler]

The Future

[spoiler]Future Android 17- 240,000,000
Future Android 18- 230,000,000

Future Gohan
Base - 4,000,000
SSJ - 200,000,000

Trunks
Base - 8,000,000
SSJ - 400,000,000
3 years later - 9,000,000
SSJ - 450,000,000

Future Cell- 240,000,000[/spoiler]


Babidi Arc

[spoiler]Gohan
Base - 10,000,000
SSJ - 500,000,000

Post Training - 12,000,000
FPSSJ - 600,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,200,000,000

Goten
Base - 7,000,000
FPSSJ - 350,000,000

Post Training with Gohan - 8,000,000
FPSSJ - 400,000,000

Trunks
Base - 7,500,000
FPSSJ - 375,000,000

Post Training with Vegeta- 8,500,000
FPSSJ - 425,000,000


Goku
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 750,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
SSJ3 Full Power - 6,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 14,800,000
SSJ - 740,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,480,000,000
Majin Vegeta - 1,500,000,000

Krillin - 150,000
Android 18 - 240,000,000

Piccolo - 400,000,000
Kaioshin- 450,000,000
Kibito - 20,000,000

Pui-Pui - 100,000
Yakon - 10,000,000
Dabura - 1,200,000,000

Majin Buu - 2,000,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 28,000,000
SSJ - 1,400,000,000[/spoiler]

Buu Arc

[spoiler]Goten - 9,000,000
Trunks - 9,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 36,000,000
SSJ - 1,800,000,000
SSJ3 - 3,600,000,000

(Gotenks’ SSJ3 multiplier is only 100x)

Mystic Gohan - 4,200,000,000

Super Buu - 3,800,000,000
Buutenks - 7,400,000,000
Buuhan - 8,000,000,000

Kibitoshin - 2,820,000,000

Vegetto
Base - 180,000,000
SSJ - 9,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 5,600,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 750,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000

Goku
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 750,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
SSJ3 - 4,500,000,000
SSJ3 - 6,000,000,000
(If Goku could use his SSJ3 at full power he would have beaten Kid Buu)


Genkidama - 5,000,000,000
Genkidama + Goku's Boost - 10,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Dragon Ball Super


Battle of Gods Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 700,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
SSJ3 - 6,000,000,000
SSG - 100,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 750,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 7,500,000,000

Beerus
10% (Suppressed) - 10,000,000,000
100% (Suppressed) - 100,000,000,000
True Power - ?

Whis
True Power - ? (Stronger than Beerus)[/spoiler]

Resurrection of Freezer Arc

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 25,000,000
God Ki - 2,500,000,000
SSB - 125,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 25,000,000
God Ki - 2,500,000,000
SSB - 125,000,000,000

(Super Saiyan Blue is 50x their God Ki base)

Freezer
1st Form - 1,000,000,000
4th Form - 3,000,000,000
Golden - 150,000,000,000
Exhausted - 75,000,000,000

(Golden Form is 50x of Freezer's 4th form)

Gohan
Base - 10,000,000
SSJ - 500,000,000

Tagoma
Base - 25,000
Post-Training - 450,000,000
Ginyu - 400,000,000

Shisami - 30,000

Freezer's Soldiers - Average of 100

Piccolo - 400,000,000
Tenshinan - 50,000
Krillin - 70,000
Master Roshi - 200
Jaco- 100[/spoiler]

Champa Tournament Arc


Gods

[spoiler]Whis - ? (Much stronger than Beerus)

Beerus - ?

Vados - ? (Slightly stronger than Whis)

Champa - ? (Slightly weaker than Beerus)[/spoiler]

U7 Fighters

[spoiler]Goku
Base - 30,000,000
SSJ - 1,500,000,000
God Ki - 3,000,000,000
SSB - 150,000,000,000
SSB + KKx2 - 300,000,000,000
SSB + KKx10 - 1,500,000,000,000

Vegeta

Base - 30,000,000
SSJ - 1,500,000,000
God Ki - 3,000,000,000
SSB - 150,000,000,000

Piccolo - 450,000,000

Mr Buu - 3,000,000,000

Monaka - 1[/spoiler]

U6 Fighters

[spoiler]Botamo - 30,000,000

Frost
1st Form - 5,300,000
Assault Form - 32,000,000
Final Form - 1,200,000,000

Otto Magetta - 2,000,000,000

Cabba
Base - 3,000,000
SSJ - 150,000,000

Hit - ???[/spoiler]


Black Goku Arc

Future

[spoiler]Future Trunks
Base - 28,000,000
SSJ2 - 2,800,000,000

Black
Full Power - 5,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Present

[spoiler]Trunks (1st Zenkai)
Base - 30,000,000
SSJ2 - 3,000,000,000

Black
Full Power - 5,000,000,000
vs Goku - 3,000,000,000

Goku
Base - 30,000,000
SSJ2 - 3,000,000,000
SSJ3 vs Trunks - 4,000,000,000
SSJ3 Full Power - 12,000,000,000

(Goku doesn’t use his full SSJ3 power to knock Trunks out)

Zamasu - 2,500,000,000[/spoiler]

1st Time Travel

[spoiler]Trunks (Post Training)
Base - 30,000,000
SSJ2 - 3,000,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
FPSSJ2 - 30,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 30,000,000
God Ki - 3,000,000,000
SSB - 150,000,000,000

Goku
Base - 30,000,000
God Ki - 3,000,000,000
SSB - 150,000,000,000
SSB Wounded - 50,000,000,000

Black (1st Goku Boost)
Base - 5,000,000,000
SSR Full Power - 200,000,000,000

(Super Saiyan Rosè is a 50x boost)

Immortal Zamasu - 5,000,000,000[/spoiler]

2nd Time Travel

[spoiler]Goku (1st Zenkai)
Base - 32,000,000
God Ki - 3,200,000,000
SSB - 160,000,000,000
SSB Rage - 210,000,000,000

Vegeta (1st Zenkai)
Base - 32,000,000
Base with God Ki - 3,200,000,000
SSB - 160,000,000,000

Trunks (2nd Zenkai)
Base - 32,000,000
God Ki - 320,000,000
SSJ2 Full Power - 32,000,000,000
Super Trunks - 192,000,000,000

(Super Trunks is 600x of Trunks’ God Ki)

Black (2nd Goku Boost)
SSR - 215,000,000,000

Immortal Zamasu - 5,000,000,000[/spoiler]

3rd Time Travel

[spoiler]Trunks (3rd Zenkai)
Base - 35,000,000
God Ki - 350,000,000
SSJ2 Full Power - 35,000,000,000
Super Trunks - 210,000,000,000

Vegeta (2nd Zenkai + Training)
Base - 46,000,000
Base with God Ki - 4,600,000,000
SSB - 230,000,000,000

Goku (2nd Zenkai)
Base - 40,000,000
Base with God Ki - 4,000,000,000
SSB - 200,000,000,000

Black
SSR - 220,000,000,000

Future Zamasu - 5,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Fusions

[spoiler]Goku
SSB - 200,000,000,000
SSB + KKx3 - 600,000,000,000
SSB + KKx10 - 2,000,000,000,000
Senzu - 210,000,000,000

(I assume Goku prepared his Kaio-Ken before firing his Kamehameha)

Vegeta
SSB - 230,000,000,000
Senzu - 240,000,000,000

Trunks
Super Trunks (Rage) - 230,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu
Halo - 500,000,000,000
Full Power - 2,500,000,000,000
Giant Form - 1,250,000,000,000

Vegetto
SSB - 2,700,000,000,000

Spirit Sword Trunks - 1,500,000,000,000[/spoiler]
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:49 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How strong was Vegeta against Jeice?
The only known power level for Vegeta after the initial fight with the Ginyu force is 250,000.
I'm looking for his power level pre-nap, when he asked Jeice to read his power level. He clearly wasn't at 250,000 back then.
Personally I'd put him anywhere between 60,000 and 120,000. He's clearly a lot stronger than before, but seeing how he chooses to ditch Goku in the hopes that he and Ginyu kill each other, I don’t think he’s tremendously above them just yet.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:08 pm

I want to know how strong everyone predicts these fighters to be in these hypothetical scenarios:

Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz - Ten years after Raditz recruits Goku successfully;

Kuririn - Died against Nappa, trained with the others at Kaio's for the same amount of time as Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu;

Cell - Seven years after the Cell Games, where he defeated everyone before Gohan turned SSJ2.

Please justify your predictions. Hopefully this will generate interesting discussion. Even though this is the thread to post lists, brute numbers without the thought process doesn't stimulate anything, bar the odd figure here and there.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:27 pm

LightBing wrote:I want to know how strong everyone predicts these fighters to be in these hypothetical scenarios:

Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz - Ten years after Raditz recruits Goku successfully;

Kuririn - Died against Nappa, trained with the others at Kaio's for the same amount of time as Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu;

Cell - Seven years after the Cell Games, where he defeated everyone before Gohan turned SSJ2.

Please justify your predictions. Hopefully this will generate interesting discussion. Even though this is the thread to post lists, brute numbers without the thought process doesn't stimulate anything, bar the odd figure here and there.
Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz: It depends a lot on what they do from there. If they use the Dragon Balls to wish for immortality, they can abuse Zenkais and surpass Frieza even without SSJ. Well, Goku and Vegeta could at least. They'd already be considerably stronger than their Buu Arc/BoG selves in just a couple of years.

On the other hand, if they just choose to rebel against Frieza without wishing for immortality beforehand they'd most likely all get killed, it was a series of very convenient events that allowed them to survive on Namek. They may survive on the off chance that Goku goes SSJ.

Ultimately they'd either be incredibly strong or dead.

Kuririn: Catches up to Tenshinhan and maybe surpasses him, but isn't as strong as he was in canon since he didn't get the potential unlock.

Cell: Probably the same as he was back then, he's not the type to train.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:09 pm

LightBing wrote:I want to know how strong everyone predicts these fighters to be in these hypothetical scenarios:

Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz - Ten years after Raditz recruits Goku successfully;

Kuririn - Died against Nappa, trained with the others at Kaio's for the same amount of time as Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu;

Cell - Seven years after the Cell Games, where he defeated everyone before Gohan turned SSJ2.

Please justify your predictions. Hopefully this will generate interesting discussion. Even though this is the thread to post lists, brute numbers without the thought process doesn't stimulate anything, bar the odd figure here and there.
Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz - After Piccolo (and Kami along with him), Goku agrees to go with Raditz in exchange for leaving the Earth alone. Despite being horribly outmatched at first, Goku continues his training and in a few years has surpassed his brother an Nappa and is fast approaching Vegeta's level. Raditz and Nappa both take to sparring with each other after Goku outstrips them, and Vegeta, feeling both nervous and outraged at the possibility of being surpassed by a lower class weakling like Goku, takes to training seriously for the first time since his childhood.

Apprehensive about the Saiyan's vastly growing strength, Freeza sends them on a mission to a distant planet where they end up ambushed by the Ginyu force. The Saiyans prevail and prepare themselves to fight Freeza. It takes their combined efforts and the death of Raditz (because of course it's Raditz) to beat him, but Freeza falls to Goku, the newest Super Saiyan.

With Freeza dead and being the strongest guy in town, Goku goes back to earth to live with his family and friends. Nappa wants to take advantage of the power vacuum left by Freeza and turn Freeza's empire into a Saiyan empire, but Vegeta is too fixated on Kakarotto to do that, and they both follow Goku to Earth. Turns out, they've arrived just in time to take out Gero's Androids (who are a lot weaker than in the main series). Gohan has dedicated himself to martial arts in the hopes of saving his dad and Kuririn has taken up the mantle of Kami-sama, being the Earthling who is most dedicated to peace (Ten's too occupied with pursuing strength and honor, and Yamcha's too materialistic). Vegeta falls for Bulma. No body falls for Nappa's ugly mug.

The Saiyans hang out on Earth and continue to train and whatnot until Bobbidi attempts to unleash Boo on the world. Nappa dies in the initial confrontation. Vegeta and Goku are forced to train together in the Room of Spirit and Time for two years straight, where they attempt to surpass the Super Saiyan, while Gohan is brought to the sacred Kaioshin realm to train with the Z Sword which ends up with him getting his potential unleashed. Boo is defeated somehow.
  • Son Goku: 416
    • vs. Ginyu Force: 180,000
      vs. Freeza: 3,000,000
      • Super Saiyan: 150,000,000
      vs. Majin Boo (round 1): 10,000,000
      • Super Saiyan: 500,000,000
      vs. Majin Boo (round 2): 150,000,000
      • Super Saiyan: 7,500,000,000
        Super Saiyan 2: 15,000,000,000
    Vegeta: 18,000
    • vs. Ginyu Force: 170,000
      vs. Freeza: 2,500,000
      vs. Majin Boo (round 1): 9,000,000
      • Super Saiyan: 450,000,000
      vs. Majin Boo (round 2): 140,000,000
      • Super Saiyan: 7,000,000,000
        Super Saiyan 2: 14,000,000,000
    Nappa: 4,000
    • vs. Ginyu Force: 75,000
      vs. Freeza: 1,000,000
      vs. Majin Boo: 4,000,000
      • Super Saiyan: 200,000,000
    Raditz: 1,500
    • vs. Ginyu Force: 50,000
      vs. Freeza: 750,000
Kuririn - I personally think that it was getting his potential unleashed on Namek that granted Kuririn the "Strongest Earthling" title, and without that, I doubt that Kuririn would get such a huge advantage over Tenshinhan. However, as seen with his Saiyan arc battle power, Kuririn was gradually catching up to Tenshinhan and could've possibly overtaken the triclops.
  • Kuririn: 1,770
    • Kaio training: 75,000
    Tenshinhan: 1,830
    • Kaio training: 60,000
    Chiaotzu: 610
    • Kaio training: 18,000
Cell - After beating Gohan at the Cell Games, Cell travels throughout the Universe searching for powerful opponents. Unfortunately, Freeza and the Super Saiyans were pretty much tops in the Universe, outside of Majin Boo (whose shell was destroyed in the Solar-System busting Kamehameha while Boo had zero power due to hibernation), Dabra (who died fighting Cell on Bobbidi's orders after Boo's shell is destroyed) Kaioshin and Kibito (who end up dying at Cell's hands given that he's threatening to be the next Majin Boo), and Beerus (who is still asleep, but still alive since the Elder Kaioshin is locked safely away in the Z Sword). Bobbidi attempts to take over Cell's mind, but ends up being killed instead for not being able to control Cell's superiority complex (just like how he couldn't compete with Vegeta's pride). Given all this, Cell's strength stagnates and he is eventually killed by Beerus when he wakes up.
  • Super Perfect Cell: 7,200,000,000
    • 7 years later: 8,000,000,000
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by emperior » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:22 pm

LightBing wrote:I want to know how strong everyone predicts these fighters to be in these hypothetical scenarios:

Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz - Ten years after Raditz recruits Goku successfully;

Kuririn - Died against Nappa, trained with the others at Kaio's for the same amount of time as Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu;

Cell - Seven years after the Cell Games, where he defeated everyone before Gohan turned SSJ2.

Please justify your predictions. Hopefully this will generate interesting discussion. Even though this is the thread to post lists, brute numbers without the thought process doesn't stimulate anything, bar the odd figure here and there.

The Saiyans wouldn't improve that much without rebelling against Freezer (and even then they would probably get killed)

Vegeta - 24,000
Nappa - 5,000
Raditz - 2,500
Goku - 2,500
It's not like Saiyans before Goku and Vegeta were shown to get much stronger. Raditz and Goku would be able to reach Bardock (I have him at 2,500 in my list)
10 years of easily conquering planets wouldn't make them improve much. Goku would be trained in Saiyan arts by his brother to catch up. Considering the progress he made in the 5 years between the tournament and Raditz' arrival, he didn't have much room of improvement before he trained with King Kai and then abused Zenkais.
If they rebelled succesfully with the 4 of them still alive then it would depend by a lot of factors, it's impossible to guess

About Krillin, he would be weaker than he was in Namek, that's for sure. He would be 20,000 at best.

Cell wouldn't be much stronger either, unless he trained his ass off which I find unprobable. He would have probably taken control of the PTO becoming Freezer's successor. There would be no Majin Buu as he would destroy the Earth
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:51 am

DanielSSJ wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote: The only known power level for Vegeta after the initial fight with the Ginyu force is 250,000.
I'm looking for his power level pre-nap, when he asked Jeice to read his power level. He clearly wasn't at 250,000 back then.
Personally I'd put him anywhere between 60,000 and 120,000. He's clearly a lot stronger than before, but seeing how he chooses to ditch Goku in the hopes that he and Ginyu kill each other, I don’t think he’s tremendously above them just yet.
Is it even possible for Vegeta to be 250,000 against Frieza? It seems the way V Jump arrived at that number was by trying to make it so that if you added Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn their power levels would rival Frieza's 530k (250k + 200k + 75k = 525k) and I guess this logic may make sense to the layperson, but clearly things don't work like this in the series. Considering the fact that Vegeta was able to make Frieza struggle a bit he's got to be well over 400k.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Gog » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:09 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: I'm looking for his power level pre-nap, when he asked Jeice to read his power level. He clearly wasn't at 250,000 back then.
Personally I'd put him anywhere between 60,000 and 120,000. He's clearly a lot stronger than before, but seeing how he chooses to ditch Goku in the hopes that he and Ginyu kill each other, I don’t think he’s tremendously above them just yet.
Is it even possible for Vegeta to be 250,000 against Frieza? It seems the way V Jump arrived at that number was by trying to make it so that if you added Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn their power levels would rival Frieza's 530k (250k + 200k + 75k = 525k) and I guess this logic may make sense to the layperson, but clearly things don't work like this in the series. Considering the fact that Vegeta was able to make Frieza struggle a bit he's got to be well over 400k.
Probably 515K in my opinion

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:15 am

Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote: Personally I'd put him anywhere between 60,000 and 120,000. He's clearly a lot stronger than before, but seeing how he chooses to ditch Goku in the hopes that he and Ginyu kill each other, I don’t think he’s tremendously above them just yet.
Is it even possible for Vegeta to be 250,000 against Frieza? It seems the way V Jump arrived at that number was by trying to make it so that if you added Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn their power levels would rival Frieza's 530k (250k + 200k + 75k = 525k) and I guess this logic may make sense to the layperson, but clearly things don't work like this in the series. Considering the fact that Vegeta was able to make Frieza struggle a bit he's got to be well over 400k.
Probably 515K in my opinion
Probably not that close, Vegeta was exhausted and breathing hard after that little confrontation whereas Frieza was completely unaffected.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Gog » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:17 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Is it even possible for Vegeta to be 250,000 against Frieza? It seems the way V Jump arrived at that number was by trying to make it so that if you added Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn their power levels would rival Frieza's 530k (250k + 200k + 75k = 525k) and I guess this logic may make sense to the layperson, but clearly things don't work like this in the series. Considering the fact that Vegeta was able to make Frieza struggle a bit he's got to be well over 400k.
Probably 515K in my opinion
Probably not that close, Vegeta was exhausted and breathing hard after that little confrontation whereas Frieza was completely unaffected.
Yeah, I'd put him around 490K

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:12 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:[spoiler]Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz: It depends a lot on what they do from there. If they use the Dragon Balls to wish for immortality, they can abuse Zenkais and surpass Frieza even without SSJ. Well, Goku and Vegeta could at least. They'd already be considerably stronger than their Buu Arc/BoG selves in just a couple of years.

On the other hand, if they just choose to rebel against Frieza without wishing for immortality beforehand they'd most likely all get killed, it was a series of very convenient events that allowed them to survive on Namek. They may survive on the off chance that Goku goes SSJ.

Ultimately they'd either be incredibly strong or dead.

Kuririn: Catches up to Tenshinhan and maybe surpasses him, but isn't as strong as he was in canon since he didn't get the potential unlock.

Cell: Probably the same as he was back then, he's not the type to train.[/spoiler]
I didn't even remember of the immortality option. It would certainly make everything boring, I wonder if they they would ask the Dragon to remove it once Freeza was dealt with...
I don't think they would be able to abuse zenkais. With the exception of Cell, nobody else had zenkais after achieving SSJ. Either they stopped after getting the legendary transformation or they become insignificant.
DanielSSJ wrote:[spoiler]Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Raditz - After Piccolo (and Kami along with him), Goku agrees to go with Raditz in exchange for leaving the Earth alone. Despite being horribly outmatched at first, Goku continues his training and in a few years has surpassed his brother an Nappa and is fast approaching Vegeta's level. Raditz and Nappa both take to sparring with each other after Goku outstrips them, and Vegeta, feeling both nervous and outraged at the possibility of being surpassed by a lower class weakling like Goku, takes to training seriously for the first time since his childhood.

Apprehensive about the Saiyan's vastly growing strength, Freeza sends them on a mission to a distant planet where they end up ambushed by the Ginyu force. The Saiyans prevail and prepare themselves to fight Freeza. It takes their combined efforts and the death of Raditz (because of course it's Raditz) to beat him, but Freeza falls to Goku, the newest Super Saiyan.

With Freeza dead and being the strongest guy in town, Goku goes back to earth to live with his family and friends. Nappa wants to take advantage of the power vacuum left by Freeza and turn Freeza's empire into a Saiyan empire, but Vegeta is too fixated on Kakarotto to do that, and they both follow Goku to Earth. Turns out, they've arrived just in time to take out Gero's Androids (who are a lot weaker than in the main series). Gohan has dedicated himself to martial arts in the hopes of saving his dad and Kuririn has taken up the mantle of Kami-sama, being the Earthling who is most dedicated to peace (Ten's too occupied with pursuing strength and honor, and Yamcha's too materialistic). Vegeta falls for Bulma. No body falls for Nappa's ugly mug.

The Saiyans hang out on Earth and continue to train and whatnot until Bobbidi attempts to unleash Boo on the world. Nappa dies in the initial confrontation. Vegeta and Goku are forced to train together in the Room of Spirit and Time for two years straight, where they attempt to surpass the Super Saiyan, while Gohan is brought to the sacred Kaioshin realm to train with the Z Sword which ends up with him getting his potential unleashed. Boo is defeated somehow.
Son Goku: 416
vs. Ginyu Force: 180,000
vs. Freeza: 3,000,000
Super Saiyan: 150,000,000
vs. Majin Boo (round 1): 10,000,000
Super Saiyan: 500,000,000
vs. Majin Boo (round 2): 150,000,000
Super Saiyan: 7,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 15,000,000,000
Vegeta: 18,000
vs. Ginyu Force: 170,000
vs. Freeza: 2,500,000
vs. Majin Boo (round 1): 9,000,000
Super Saiyan: 450,000,000
vs. Majin Boo (round 2): 140,000,000
Super Saiyan: 7,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 14,000,000,000
Nappa: 4,000
vs. Ginyu Force: 75,000
vs. Freeza: 1,000,000
vs. Majin Boo: 4,000,000
Super Saiyan: 200,000,000
Raditz: 1,500
vs. Ginyu Force: 50,000
vs. Freeza: 750,000

Kuririn - I personally think that it was getting his potential unleashed on Namek that granted Kuririn the "Strongest Earthling" title, and without that, I doubt that Kuririn would get such a huge advantage over Tenshinhan. However, as seen with his Saiyan arc battle power, Kuririn was gradually catching up to Tenshinhan and could've possibly overtaken the triclops.
Kuririn: 1,770
Kaio training: 75,000
Tenshinhan: 1,830
Kaio training: 60,000
Chiaotzu: 610
Kaio training: 18,000

Cell - After beating Gohan at the Cell Games, Cell travels throughout the Universe searching for powerful opponents. Unfortunately, Freeza and the Super Saiyans were pretty much tops in the Universe, outside of Majin Boo (whose shell was destroyed in the Solar-System busting Kamehameha while Boo had zero power due to hibernation), Dabra (who died fighting Cell on Bobbidi's orders after Boo's shell is destroyed) Kaioshin and Kibito (who end up dying at Cell's hands given that he's threatening to be the next Majin Boo), and Beerus (who is still asleep, but still alive since the Elder Kaioshin is locked safely away in the Z Sword). Bobbidi attempts to take over Cell's mind, but ends up being killed instead for not being able to control Cell's superiority complex (just like how he couldn't compete with Vegeta's pride). Given all this, Cell's strength stagnates and he is eventually killed by Beerus when he wakes up.
Super Perfect Cell: 7,200,000,000
7 years later: 8,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Nice post! :thumbup:
That alternative story is pretty interesting. I would think Vegeta would murder Goku if he was closing up on him. Saiyan Arc Vegeta had that sense of social superiority which shouldn't get lost in your story. It would likely be exacerbated. My take anyway.
Super Saiyan Nappa that would be a treat to watch. You don't think the Saiyans hiy a wall? Kinda like the humans did? Goku and Vegeta are undeniable prodigy's, I wouldn't say the same about Nappa or Raditz to have them power up that much.
emperior wrote:The Saiyans wouldn't improve that much without rebelling against Freezer (and even then they would probably get killed)

[spoiler]Vegeta - 24,000
Nappa - 5,000
Raditz - 2,500
Goku - 2,500
It's not like Saiyans before Goku and Vegeta were shown to get much stronger. Raditz and Goku would be able to reach Bardock (I have him at 2,500 in my list)
10 years of easily conquering planets wouldn't make them improve much. Goku would be trained in Saiyan arts by his brother to catch up. Considering the progress he made in the 5 years between the tournament and Raditz' arrival, he didn't have much room of improvement before he trained with King Kai and then abused Zenkais.
If they rebelled succesfully with the 4 of them still alive then it would depend by a lot of factors, it's impossible to guess

About Krillin, he would be weaker than he was in Namek, that's for sure. He would be 20,000 at best.

Cell wouldn't be much stronger either, unless he trained his ass off which I find unprobable. He would have probably taken control of the PTO becoming Freezer's successor. There would be no Majin Buu as he would destroy the Earth[/spoiler]
There's certainly a possibility of them maintaining the status quo under Freeza and not improving or doing much.
I don't think it would be Cell's style to lead an empire.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:31 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: I'm looking for his power level pre-nap, when he asked Jeice to read his power level. He clearly wasn't at 250,000 back then.
Personally I'd put him anywhere between 60,000 and 120,000. He's clearly a lot stronger than before, but seeing how he chooses to ditch Goku in the hopes that he and Ginyu kill each other, I don’t think he’s tremendously above them just yet.
Is it even possible for Vegeta to be 250,000 against Frieza? It seems the way V Jump arrived at that number was by trying to make it so that if you added Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn their power levels would rival Frieza's 530k (250k + 200k + 75k = 525k) and I guess this logic may make sense to the layperson, but clearly things don't work like this in the series. Considering the fact that Vegeta was able to make Frieza struggle a bit he's got to be well over 400k.
Rather than disregarding Vegeta's official battle power, I'd rather take a different approach. What about questioning Freeza's battle power instead?
I know how everyone feels about battle powers from the Manga and how they are "more official" than all the other official battle powers, but please, bear with me.

What if Freeza didn't have a battle power of 530,000 when he was fighting Vegeta. Maybe he only attains that battle power after he shatters his battle suit. Or, maybe the 530k figure is his absolute max, as in, he only gets that strong when he fires off his ultimate "Supernova" attack?

Just my 2 cents, but I think it's completely viable since Freeza can alter his battle power.
My numbers:

Freeza
Vs. Nail- 85,000
Vs. Vegeta- 265,000
Full Power- 530,000
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by emperior » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:48 am

DBZ Macky wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote: Personally I'd put him anywhere between 60,000 and 120,000. He's clearly a lot stronger than before, but seeing how he chooses to ditch Goku in the hopes that he and Ginyu kill each other, I don’t think he’s tremendously above them just yet.
Is it even possible for Vegeta to be 250,000 against Frieza? It seems the way V Jump arrived at that number was by trying to make it so that if you added Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn their power levels would rival Frieza's 530k (250k + 200k + 75k = 525k) and I guess this logic may make sense to the layperson, but clearly things don't work like this in the series. Considering the fact that Vegeta was able to make Frieza struggle a bit he's got to be well over 400k.
Rather than disregarding Vegeta's official battle power, I'd rather take a different approach. What about questioning Freeza's battle power instead?
I know how everyone feels about battle powers from the Manga and how they are "more official" than all the other official battle powers, but please, bear with me.

What if Freeza didn't have a battle power of 530,000 when he was fighting Vegeta. Maybe he only attains that battle power after he shatters his battle suit. Or, maybe the 530k figure is his absolute max, as in, he only gets that strong when he fires off his ultimate "Supernova" attack?

Just my 2 cents, but I think it's completely viable since Freeza can alter his battle power.
My numbers:

Freeza
Vs. Nail- 85,000
Vs. Vegeta- 265,000
Full Power- 530,000

Freezer can't manipulate his ki. He's like Vegeta on Earth. Sure he can hold back like everyone does but his power level when read with a scouter will always be 530k
Everyone could feel his monstrous ki. Though in his final form he was able to manipulate his power but we can probably treat that like him tapping more and more in his transformation's power.
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Post by DBZ Macky » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:53 am

emperior wrote: Freezer can't manipulate his ki. He's like Vegeta on Earth. Sure he can hold back like everyone does but his power level when read with a scouter will always be 530k
Everyone could feel his monstrous ki. Though in his final form he was able to manipulate his power but we can probably treat that like him tapping more and more in his transformation's power.
I can agree, it's completely possible that Freeza can't control his battle power in his 1st form, but it's very, very unlikely.
Freeza was shown to power up in his 2nd form as well as his final form. Nothing says that he absolutely can't raise his battle power in his 1st form.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by emperior » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:59 am

DBZ Macky wrote:
emperior wrote: Freezer can't manipulate his ki. He's like Vegeta on Earth. Sure he can hold back like everyone does but his power level when read with a scouter will always be 530k
Everyone could feel his monstrous ki. Though in his final form he was able to manipulate his power but we can probably treat that like him tapping more and more in his transformation's power.
I can agree, it's completely possible that Freeza can't control his battle power in his 1st form, but it's very, very unlikely.
Freeza was shown to power up in his 2nd form as well as his final form. Nothing says that he absolutely can't raise his battle power in his 1st form.
I always saw it like Freezer was able to only increase his power, not decrease. He was never shown to decrease it as far as I remember.
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Post by Dai-Saiyajin » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:43 pm

Transformations:

Oozaru____________________ 10x base

Super Saiyan_______________ +150.000.000

Super Saiyan 2nd Grade_______+350.000.000

Super Saiyan 3rd Grade_______+600.000.000

Mastered Super Saiyan________+400.000.000

Super Saiyan 2______________ +800.000.000

Super Saiyan 2 Full Power_____+1.000.000.000

Super Saiyan 3______________ +1.200.000.000

Mystic Ritual (Gohan's case)___ 500x

Super Saiyan God (Ritual)______300x

Base + Godly Ki (Fake SSG)_____20x

Super Saiyan God_____________50x (5x when fused)

Super Saiyan Blue____________ 60x (6x when fused)

Super Saiyan Rosé____________ 3x

Super Saiyan Rage____________45x

Golden (Freeza)______________+4.000.000.000

Fusions:

Absortion_______________+0.5

Fusion__________________20x

Fusion (between gods)____ 2x

[spoiler]Saiyan Saga:


Chaos _____________610

Yajirobe___________ 970

Kuririn ____________ 1.770

Yamcha____________1.480

Tenshinhan_________1.830

Piccolo____________ 3.500

Gohan_____________ 980

Gohan (Oozaru)______9.800

Goku ______________ 8.000

Goku (Kaio-Ken)_____ 12.000

Goku (Kaio-Ken 2x)___16.000

Goku (Kaio-Ken 3x)___20.000

Goku (Kaio-Ken 4x)___24.000

Nappa______________ 4.000

Vegeta_____________ 18.000

Vegeta (Oozaru)_____ 180.000

Vegeta (weakened)___1.500


Freeza Saga:


Yamcha (other world)____________ 60.000

Tenshinhan (other world)__________ 70.000

Chaos (other world)_______________15.000

Kuririn__________________________1.900

Kuririn (after potential unleashed)___19.000

Kuririn (Potential full unleashed)____ 70.000

Gohan___________________________2.000

Gohan (after potential unleashed)___ 20.000

Gohan (Potential full unleashed)_____80.000

Gohan (Rage)____________________ 800.000

Nail____________________________ 42.000

Piccolo_________________________ 258.000

Piccolo (fused with Nail)___________900.000

Cui___________________________ 18.000

Dodoria________________________ 22.000

Zarbon________________________ 23.000

Zarbon (monster)_________________33.000

Guldo __________________________13.500

Recoome_______________________ 45.000

Burter__________________________50.000

Jeice__________________________ 50.000

Captain Ginyu__________________ 120.000

Vegeta________________________ 24.000

Vegeta (1st Zenkai)______________36.000

Vegeta (2nd Zenkai)_____________ 54.000

Vegeta (3rd Zenkai)_____________ 1.800.000

Goku__________________________90.000

Goku (Kaioken 2x)______________ 180.000

Goku (Zenkai)__________________3.000.000

Goku (Kaioken 10x)_____________18.000.000

Goku (Kaioken 20x)_____________33.000.000

Goku SSJ______________________153.000.000

Freeza (1st form supressed)______ 265.000

Freeza (1st Form)______________ 530.000

Freeza (2nd Form)______________1.060.000

Freeza (3rd Form)_____________ 1.590.000

Freeza (4th Form at 20%)_______ 24.000.000

Freeza (4th Form at 50%)________60.000.000

Freeza (4th Form at 100%)_______120.000.000


Cell Saga:


Mecha Freeza______________________ 130.000.000

King Cold__________________________ 100.000.000

Kuririn____________________________ 100.000

Kuririn (3 years later)________________6.000.000

Yamcha___________________________ 70.000

Yamcha (3 years later)______________ 5.000.000

Chaos_____________________________ 15.000

Chaos (3 years later)_________________90.000

Tenshinhan_________________________120.000

Tenshinhan (3 years later)____________ 7.000.000

Kami-Sama_________________________1.000

Piccolo ___________________________ 1.500.000

Piccolo (3 years later)_______________ 70.000.000

Piccolo (Fused with Kami-Sama)_______210.000.000

Piccolo (after training)______________ 280.000.000

Vegeta___________________________ 2.000.000

Vegeta (3 years later)_______________ 25.000.000

Vegeta SSJ_________________________175.000.000

Vegeta (after training)_______________30.000.000

Vegeta SSJ_________________________180.000.000

Vegeta SSJ 2nd Grade________________380.000.000

Mirai Trunks________________________5.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ_____________________155.000.000

Mirai Trunks (3 years later)___________ 15.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ_____________________165.000.000

Mirai Trunks (after training)___________30.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ_____________________180.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ 2nd Grade___________ 380.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ 3rd Grade____________630.000.000

Goku______________________________10.000.000

Goku SSJ__________________________ 160.000.000

Goku (3 years later)__________________20.000.000

Goku SSJ___________________________ 170.000.000

Goku (after training)_________________ 40.000.000

Goku MSSJ__________________________ 440.000.000

Gohan_____________________________ 500.000

Gohan (3 years later)_________________ 7.000.000

Gohan (after training)________________ 35.000.000

Gohan MSSJ ________________________ 435.000.000

Gohan SSJ2_________________________ 835.000.000

Android No.20_______________________60.000.000

Android No.19_______________________50.000.000

Android No.18_______________________200.000.000

Android No.17_______________________200.000.000

Android No.16_______________________250.000.000

Imperfect Cell ______________________150.000.000

Imperfect Cell (maximum absorption)___250.000.000

Semi-Perfect Cell____________________350.000.000

Cell Jrs.____________________________400.000.000

Perfect Cell (Full Power)______________450.000.000

Super Perfect Cell (Full Power)_________750.000.000


Majin Boo Saga:


Kuririn_____________________________________ 4.000.000

Yamcha____________________________________ 3.000.000

Chaos______________________________________ 100.000

Tenshinhan__________________________________10.000.000

Piccolo_____________________________________ 300.000.000

Goten (after training)_________________________ 2.300.000

Trunks (after training)_________________________2.700.000

Gotenks_____________________________________100.000.000

Gotenks SSJ__________________________________250.000.000

Gotenks SSJ3_________________________________1.300.000.000

Gohan_______________________________________20.000.000

Gohan SSJ2___________________________________820.000.000

Gohan (after training)__________________________30.000.000

Mystic Gohan_________________________________ 1.500.000.000

Vegeta_______________________________________50.000.000

Vegeta SSJ2___________________________________850.000.000

Goku_________________________________________50.000.000

Goku MSSJ____________________________________ 450.000.000

Goku SSJ2_____________________________________850.000.000

Goku SSJ3____________________________________ 1.250.000.000

Vegito (base)__________________________________ 2.000.000.000

Vegito MSSJ____________________________________2.800.000.000

Kibito_________________________________________125.000.000

East Supreme Kai_______________________________ 325.000.000

Kibito Kai______________________________________900.000.000

West Supreme Kai_______________________________ 500.000.000

North Supreme Kai_______________________________500.000.000

South Supreme Kai_______________________________1.200.000.000

Grand Supreme Kai______________________________ 700.000.000

Pui Pui_________________________________________10.000.000

Yakon_________________________________________ 120.000.000

Dabura_________________________________________750.000.000

Majin Boo (Original)______________________________1.100.000.000

Majin Boo (South Supreme Kai)____________________ 1.700.000.000

Majin Boo (Grand Supreme Kai + South Supreme Kai)___1.000.000.000

Good Boo______________________________________ 600.000.000

Evil Boo________________________________________ 900.000.000

Super Boo_______________________________________1.200.000.000

Super Boo (Gotenks SSJ3 + Piccolo)__________________2.000.000.000

Super Boo (Mystic Gohan + Piccolo + Goten + Trunks)___2.102.500.000

Kid Boo_________________________________________1.100.000.000

Majin Boo_______________________________________ 600.000.000


Battle of Gods Saga:


Piccolo___________________ 300.000.000

Goten____________________ 1.800.000

Trunks____________________2.200.000

Gotenks___________________80.000.000

Gotenks SSJ3_______________1.280.000.000

Gohan____________________ 15.000.000

Gohan (Full Power)_________ 750.000.000

Vegeta____________________50.000.000

Vegeta SSJ2________________850.000.000

Vegeta SSJ2 (Rage)__________1.700.000.000

Goku______________________60.000.000

Goku SSJ3__________________1.260.000.000

Goku Super Saiyan God_______18.000.000.000

Goku (base after limit time)___15.000.000.000

Goku (MSSJ + Godly Powers)___15.400.000.000

Beerus (5%)_________________1.500.000.000

Beerus (10%)________________3.000.000.000

Beerus (70%)________________21.000.000.000

Beerus_____________________30.000.000.000

Whis______________________ 45.000.000.000


Ressurrection of Freeza Saga:


Master Kame __________________150.000

Yamcha______________________ 120.000

Kuririn_______________________ 2.000.000

Chaos________________________ 100.000

Tenshinhan____________________10.000.000

Goten________________________ 1.200.000

Trunks________________________1.300.000

Gotenks_______________________50.000.000

Gotenks SSJ____________________250.000.000

Gohan________________________ 10.000.000

Gohan SSJ2____________________ 810.000.000

Piccolo________________________350.000.000

Sorbet_________________________10.000

Tagoma_______________________ 400.000.000

Goku__________________________70.000.000

Goku (Base + Godly Ki)__________ 1.400.000.000

Goku (Super Saiyan Blue)_________ 4.200.000.000

Goku (Heavily supressed)_________ 7.000

Vegeta________________________ 70.000.000

Vegeta (Base + Godly Ki)_________ 1.400.000.000

Vegeta (Super Saiyan Blue)________4.200.000.000

Freeza (1st Form)________________530.000.000

Freeza (4th Form)_______________ 1.300.000.000

Freeza (Golden Form)____________ 5.300.000.000

Freeza (Golden Form decreasing)___3.300.000.000





Champa's Tournement Saga:


Monaka____________________30

Majin Boo__________________600.000.000

Piccolo____________________400.000.000

Vegeta____________________ 75.000.000

Vegeta MSSJ________________475.000.000

Vegeta SSJ2________________ 875.000.000

Vegeta SSB_________________ 4.500.000.000

Vegeta SSB (10%)____________ 450.000.000

Goku_______________________75.000.000

Goku MSSJ__________________ 475.000.000

Goku SSG___________________ 3.750.000.000

Goku SSB___________________ 4.500.000.000

Goku SSB (Kaio-Ken 2x)_______ 9.000.000.000

Goku SSB (Kaio-Ken 10x)______ 27.000.000.000

Botamo_____________________50.000.000

Frost (1st Form)_____________ 60.000.000

Frost (3rd Form)_____________100.000.000

Frost (4th Form)_____________350.000.000

Magetta____________________700.000.000

Kyabe_____________________ 60.000.000

Kyabe SSJ__________________210.000.000

Hitto (Base supressed)________70.000.000

Hitto (Base)________________700.000.000

Hitto (Full Power)__________ 3.500.000.000

Hitto (0,2 sec Tokitobashi)___3.640.000.000

Hitto (0,5 sec Tokitobashi)___3.850.000.000

Hitto (1,0 sec Tokitobashi)___4.200.000.000

Champa_________________ 29.000.000.000

Beerus____________________ 30.000.000.000

Whis_____________________ 45.000.000.000

Vados_____________________46.000.000.000


Future Trunks Saga:


Mirai Trunks_______________________ 80.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ2___________________ 880.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ2 Full Power_________ 1.080.000.000

Mirai Trunks (after training)__________ 100.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ2____________________900.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ2 Full Power__________ 1.100.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ2 (Furious____________ 4.400.000.000

Mirai Trunks (Base After Zenkai)_______ 130.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJ2 Full Power__________ 1.130.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJR____________________5.850.000.000

Mirai Trunks SSJR (Spirit Sword)________11.700.000.000

Vegeta_____________________________75.000.000

Vegeta SSB_________________________ 4.500.000.000

Vegeta (After Training + Zenkai)_______ 100.000.000

Vegeta SSB__________________________6.000.000.000

Goku_______________________________80.000.000

Goku SSJ2___________________________880.000.000

Goku SSJ3___________________________1.280.000.000

Goku SSB____________________________4.800.000.000

Goku (After Zenkai)___________________100.000.000

Goku SSB____________________________6.000.000.000

Goku SSB (Rage Kamehameha)__________9.000.000.000

Goku SSB (Kaioken 2x)________________ 12.000.000.000

Vegetto_____________________________4.000.000.000

Vegetto SSB__________________________24.000.000.000

Zamasu_____________________________ 800.000.000

Mirai Zamasu_________________________1.000.000.000

Goku Black (Base)_____________________1.500.000.000

Goku Black (Base after Zenkai)__________1.750.000.000

Goku Black (Super Saiyan Rosé)_________ 5.250.000.000

Goku Black (Base 2nd Zenkai)___________1.900.000.000

Goku Black (Super Saiyan Rosé)_________ 5.700.000.000

Goku Black (Base 3rd Zenkai)___________ 2.000.000.000

Goku Black (Super Saiyan Rosé)_________ 6.000.000.000

Gattai Zamasu_______________________ 14.000.000.000

Gattai Zamasu (Damaged)______________7.000.000.000

Gattai Zamasu (Mutated)_______________17.500.000.000

Gattai Zamasu (Weakened Bulky Form)___10.500.000.000

Beerus______________________________ 30.000.000.000

Whis________________________________45.000.000.000

Daishinkan___________________________300.000.000.000[/spoiler]

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Bullza » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:30 pm

I was going to say if Base Black is say about 500 times as strong as Base Goku then why does Super Saiyan Rose Black not seen more than a few times stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku?

And the guy above has SSJB being a 60x and SSJR being 3x which is sorta like what I mean.

It never really made much sense because Black didn't seem to power up that tremendously when he turned into his Rose form even though it's his equivalent of Super Saiyan Blue.

I tried doing a power level list giving them the same multiplier and it doesn't work.

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