Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
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As others have said. I also have my list to accomodate Gohan as both SSJ and SSJ2, I only have him as SSJ since that's how it was shown as well as Goku's surprise for Vegeta's SSJ2, also Goku never sensed Super Perfect Cell since he was dead. Although that doesn't mean he can't be a SSJ2 against Dabura.
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100% agree. It doesn't make a lick of sense for Gohan to be a regular Super Saiyan in that fight.Bullza wrote:Despite what was may or may not have been said I do have Gohan as using Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura.
Reason being is I think Dabura is stronger than Cell. Goku did say that he was as strong as Cell, people assume he's talking about a specific form but surely they'd just mean the Cell as we last saw him. Then he later said he was tougher than he thought.
The other reason is, in the Dragon Ball Super manga, Super Saiyan Future Trunks who unlike Gohan did not slack off on his training and had infact mastered the Z Sword too and could easily be stronger than Buu saga Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta (especially as his SSJ2 equaled Goku's SSJ3) was no match for Dabura.
So when Goku and Vegeta were saying he wasn't much and they could handle him and what not they had to be referring to if they used Super Saiyan 2.
Goku's comparison should be enough. Dabura is stronger than Perfect Cell since that's the last form Goku saw.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
I'm interested in your guys opinions on the 22nd World Tournament.
Would Jackie Chun be above or below Goku using his Tournament level power?
For now I have Goku at being higher because when he did that side step thing before he beat Krillin, Jackie Chun couldn't even see him.
But Jackie Chun couldn't have been too far off from Tien, he gave him a good fight even when he wasn't using his full power.
Edit: I can answer my own question. I just checked and Roshi does say that Goku may have surpassed him already and that was before he knew we about the Battle level strength. So yeah Goku is probably just a little stronger get with his Tournament strength.
Roshi should be stronger than the Fortune Teller Baba Saga Goku though.
Would Jackie Chun be above or below Goku using his Tournament level power?
For now I have Goku at being higher because when he did that side step thing before he beat Krillin, Jackie Chun couldn't even see him.
But Jackie Chun couldn't have been too far off from Tien, he gave him a good fight even when he wasn't using his full power.
Edit: I can answer my own question. I just checked and Roshi does say that Goku may have surpassed him already and that was before he knew we about the Battle level strength. So yeah Goku is probably just a little stronger get with his Tournament strength.
Roshi should be stronger than the Fortune Teller Baba Saga Goku though.
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Goku would be stronger, Roshi acknowledged that Goku had surpassed him before Goku used his true power.Bullza wrote:I'm interested in your guys opinions on the 22nd World Tournament.
Would Jackie Chun be above or below Goku using his Tournament level power?
For now I have Goku at being higher because when he did that side step thing before he beat Krillin, Jackie Chun couldn't even see him.
But Jackie Chun couldn't have been too far off from Tien, he gave him a good fight even when he wasn't using his full power.
I have this
Goku (Battle Power) - 165
Tien - 165
Goku (Tournament Power) - 150
Jackie Chun - 139
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Yeah, Goku's Tournament level is stronger than Roshi. Here are my numbers for them:Bullza wrote:I'm interested in your guys opinions on the 22nd World Tournament.
Would Jackie Chun be above or below Goku using his Tournament level power?
For now I have Goku at being higher because when he did that side step thing before he beat Krillin, Jackie Chun couldn't even see him.
But Jackie Chun couldn't have been too far off from Tien, he gave him a good fight even when he wasn't using his full power.
Edit: I can answer my own question. I just checked and Roshi does say that Goku may have surpassed him already and that was before he knew we about the Battle level strength. So yeah Goku is probably just a little stronger get with his Tournament strength.
Roshi should be stronger than the Fortune Teller Baba Saga Goku though.
Roshi - 139
Goku (Tournament Level) - 142
Goku (Battle Level) - 150 (probably a bit less)
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I arbitrarily decided to redo my GT battle powers.
MULTIPLIERS
Saiyajin - x25 (for Gokū, Gohan, Vegeta, and Baby) x1 (for all other Saiyajin)
Super Saiyajin - x50
Super Saiyajin 2 - x100
Super Saiyajin 3 - x400
Super Oozaru - x500 (for Baby) x5000 (for Gokū and Vegeta)
Super Saiyajin 4 - x5000
Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - x10000
Metamarū Merging - x10 (assuming both powers are equal)
Potara Merging - x100 (assuming both powers are equal, less of a boost the less equal)
BABY ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 480,000,000,000
-Super Oozaru - 6,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 6,000,000,000,000
Pan - 50,000,000
Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Gotenks (hypothetical) - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyaijn - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 400,000,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000,000
Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000
Vegeta - 25,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000
Oob - 30,000,000,000
-After Training - 300,000,000,000
-Merged with Boo - 3,000,000,000,000
Rild - 20,000,000,000
-Hyper Mega Rild - 40,000,000,000
-Mega Rild - 80,000,000,000
Vegeta-Baby - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 4,000,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 5,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
SUPER NO. 17 ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 140,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 560,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 7,000,000,000,000
Vegeta - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 120,000,000,000
Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000
Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Gotenks (hypothetical) - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 400,000,000,000
Oob - 3,000,000,000,000
No. 17 - 400,000,000
-Hell Fighter No. 17 - 40,000,000,000
-Super No. 17 - 8,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
EVIL DRAGONS ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 40,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 80,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 160,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 640,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 8,000,000,000,000
-Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - 16,000,000,000,000
Vegeta - 40,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 80,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 160,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 8,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 8,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000
Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Pan - 50,000,000
Oob - 3,000,000,000,000
Four Star Dragon - 7,500,000,000,000
Three Star Dragon - 7,500,000,000,000
One Star Dragon - 10,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon* - 20,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon** - 100,000,000,000,000
Gogeta - 400,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 800,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 1,600,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 6,400,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4* - 80,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4** - 800,000,000,000,000
*based on Gohan-kun's statement that Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 Gokū and Super One Star Dragon were too close in power for him to determine who was stronger
**based on Super One Star Dragon's statement that he had grown ten times stronger, if not more-so, by swallowing the other six Dragon Balls[/spoiler]
MULTIPLIERS
Saiyajin - x25 (for Gokū, Gohan, Vegeta, and Baby) x1 (for all other Saiyajin)
Super Saiyajin - x50
Super Saiyajin 2 - x100
Super Saiyajin 3 - x400
Super Oozaru - x500 (for Baby) x5000 (for Gokū and Vegeta)
Super Saiyajin 4 - x5000
Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - x10000
Metamarū Merging - x10 (assuming both powers are equal)
Potara Merging - x100 (assuming both powers are equal, less of a boost the less equal)
BABY ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 480,000,000,000
-Super Oozaru - 6,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 6,000,000,000,000
Pan - 50,000,000
Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Gotenks (hypothetical) - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyaijn - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 400,000,000,000
Piccolo - 5,000,000,000
Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000
Vegeta - 25,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000
Oob - 30,000,000,000
-After Training - 300,000,000,000
-Merged with Boo - 3,000,000,000,000
Rild - 20,000,000,000
-Hyper Mega Rild - 40,000,000,000
-Mega Rild - 80,000,000,000
Vegeta-Baby - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 4,000,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 5,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
SUPER NO. 17 ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 140,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 560,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 7,000,000,000,000
Vegeta - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 120,000,000,000
Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000
Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Gotenks (hypothetical) - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 50,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 100,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 400,000,000,000
Oob - 3,000,000,000,000
No. 17 - 400,000,000
-Hell Fighter No. 17 - 40,000,000,000
-Super No. 17 - 8,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
EVIL DRAGONS ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 40,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 80,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 160,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 640,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 8,000,000,000,000
-Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - 16,000,000,000,000
Vegeta - 40,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 80,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 160,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 8,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 8,000,000,000,000
Son Gohan - 500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 2,000,000,000,000
Trunks - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Son Goten - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
Pan - 50,000,000
Oob - 3,000,000,000,000
Four Star Dragon - 7,500,000,000,000
Three Star Dragon - 7,500,000,000,000
One Star Dragon - 10,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon* - 20,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon** - 100,000,000,000,000
Gogeta - 400,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 800,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 1,600,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 6,400,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4* - 80,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4** - 800,000,000,000,000
*based on Gohan-kun's statement that Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 Gokū and Super One Star Dragon were too close in power for him to determine who was stronger
**based on Super One Star Dragon's statement that he had grown ten times stronger, if not more-so, by swallowing the other six Dragon Balls[/spoiler]
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
I think Roshi was surprised with Goku's strenght as a teenager, and still far from his prime, while Roshi's prime was a long time ago.Bullza wrote:I'm interested in your guys opinions on the 22nd World Tournament.
Would Jackie Chun be above or below Goku using his Tournament level power?
For now I have Goku at being higher because when he did that side step thing before he beat Krillin, Jackie Chun couldn't even see him.
But Jackie Chun couldn't have been too far off from Tien, he gave him a good fight even when he wasn't using his full power.
Edit: I can answer my own question. I just checked and Roshi does say that Goku may have surpassed him already and that was before he knew we about the Battle level strength. So yeah Goku is probably just a little stronger get with his Tournament strength.
Roshi should be stronger than the Fortune Teller Baba Saga Goku though.
His Match level is much weaker than his Battle level. He went from being stomped by Ten to fighting toe to toe with a slightly advantage in brute force.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
If I recall correctly, Jackie Chun/Muten Roshi slightly bulked up when he got serious against Tenshinhan. I think his power of 139 applies to his initial, relaxed state, and it should be a bit higher when bulked up but still slightly weaker than Tenshinhan. Tournament strength Goku was weaker than Tenshinhan aswell and got beaten about the same way as Jackie Chun but the fact that Goku held his own better suggests it's a little bit higher than Roshi's 139.
Also I would like to add that at first neither Tsuru-seninn (Crane hermit) nor Muten Roshi believed Goku could have beaten Tao Pai Pai, but as soon as Goku went serious against Krillin (the "full power" tournament strength) and easily defeated Krillin, then they believed it. I assume his tournament strength is fairly stronger than Tao Pai Pai and by extension, a bit higher than his own power against the assassin.
Also I would like to add that at first neither Tsuru-seninn (Crane hermit) nor Muten Roshi believed Goku could have beaten Tao Pai Pai, but as soon as Goku went serious against Krillin (the "full power" tournament strength) and easily defeated Krillin, then they believed it. I assume his tournament strength is fairly stronger than Tao Pai Pai and by extension, a bit higher than his own power against the assassin.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Well that can somewhat lead me to my next question.
How do 22nd World Tournament Krillin and Yamcha (who are meant to be on a similar level) compare to Goku Post Korin training and Mercenary Tao?
Are they weaker than Tao if he's still held in such high regard and Goku was only seen as being superior after he got serious against Krillin?
But then it'd be a little weird that they'd even bother competing at all if they didn't think they'd surpassed Goku as they saw him in the Fortune Teller Baba saga.
How do 22nd World Tournament Krillin and Yamcha (who are meant to be on a similar level) compare to Goku Post Korin training and Mercenary Tao?
Are they weaker than Tao if he's still held in such high regard and Goku was only seen as being superior after he got serious against Krillin?
But then it'd be a little weird that they'd even bother competing at all if they didn't think they'd surpassed Goku as they saw him in the Fortune Teller Baba saga.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
They couldn't see Goku's movements, when he was serious, so them thinking they stand any chance against Goku would only be based on guesswork.Bullza wrote:Well that can somewhat lead me to my next question.
How do 22nd World Tournament Krillin and Yamcha (who meant to be on a similar level) compare to Goku Post Korin training and Mercenary Tao?
Are they weaker than Tao if he's still held in such high regard and Goku was only seen as being superior after he got serious against Krillin?
But then it'd be a little weird that they'd even bother competing at all if they didn't think they'd surpassed Goku as they saw him in the Fortune Teller Baba saga.
I have them at the same level and weaker than Tao Pai Pai.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Krillin and Yamcha should be stronger than Tao. I don't know why some people think they are weaker.Bullza wrote:Well that can somewhat lead me to my next question.
How do 22nd World Tournament Krillin and Yamcha (who are meant to be on a similar level) compare to Goku Post Korin training and Mercenary Tao?
Are they weaker than Tao if he's still held in such high regard and Goku was only seen as being superior after he got serious against Krillin?
But then it'd be a little weird that they'd even bother competing at all if they didn't think they'd surpassed Goku as they saw him in the Fortune Teller Baba saga.
First, as you said, they already saw Goku's strenght in Baba's palace. For them wanting to participate, they should already surpass that Goku.
Second, Goku complimented Krillin. Goku said that he was having fun with the match. It would be impossible for Krillin to be weaker than Tao, if this Goku that is way way stronger than the one before is having fun with the match, and had the need to compliment Krillin.
And finally, there's King Chappa. Some people think that Chappa is weaker than Tao, but I don't see why that's the case. Roshi and Yamcha were worried that Goku might have a tough fight against Chappa, and they saw him back in Baba's palace. That means that Chappa should be like around the same level, if not stronger, than Baba arc Goku. With Krillin and Yamcha obviously beings stronger than Chappa, that means that they have to be stronger than Tao obviously.
Just because Goku was using match level against Krillin, it doesn't mean at all that Krillin is weaker than Tao. Roshi even said that he was probably surpassed by that same Goku, and Roshi is way stronger than Tao! Tao < Krillin < Roshi < Match Goku < Battle Goku is stated.
Here are my levels:
Tao - 85
Goku (Baba arc) - 95
Chappa - 100
Chiaotzu - 105
Yamcha - 110
Krillin - 110
Tsuru - 120
Roshi - 139
Goku (Match level) - 142
Tien/Goku (Battle level) - between 145 and 150
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Alright so here's the Mk 2 version of my Dragon Ball power levels. Last time people pointed out several useful things and with the questions I've asked over the past few days I've made quite a few changes.
Emperor Pilaf Saga
Goku – 35
Oozaru Goku – 350
Yamcha – 32
Krillin – 31
Tournament Saga
Goku – 70
Oozaru Goku – 700
Jackie Chun – 74
Krillin – 63
Yamcha – 58
Namu – 65
Giran – 63
Ranfan – 58
Bacterian – 56
Red Ribbon Army Saga
Goku – 75
Goku (Post Korin Training) – 105
Krillin – 63
Major Metallitron – 68
General Blue – 66
Mercenary Tao – 96
Assistant Black – 71
Assistant Black (Battle Jacket) – 95
Korin – 110
Fortuneteller Baba Saga
Goku – 105
Krillin – 63
Yamcha – 58
Grandpa Gohan – 97
Devil man – 88
Bandages – 80
Invisible Man – 52
Fangs – 48
Tien Shinhan Saga
Goku (Tournament Power) – 142
Goku (Battle Power) – 158
Jackie Chun – 139
Krillin – 128
Yamcha – 122
Tien – 152
Chiaotzu – 118
Master Shen – 130
King Chappa - 116
King Piccolo Saga
Goku – 158
Goku (Post Water) – 202
Tien – 152
Yajirobe – 135
King Piccolo (Old) – 178
King Piccolo – 202
Drum – 167
Tambourine – 145
Cymbal - 122
Kami – 292
Mr Popo – 265
Piccolo Jr Saga
Goku – 388
Kami – 292
Tien – 238
Krillin – 195
Yamcha – 168
Chiaotzu –142
Piccolo Jr – 370
Mercenary Tao – 156
So yeah once again if anything stands out as being wrong or something I missed or should be changed feel free to point it out so I can keep on improving it.
Emperor Pilaf Saga
Goku – 35
Oozaru Goku – 350
Yamcha – 32
Krillin – 31
Tournament Saga
Goku – 70
Oozaru Goku – 700
Jackie Chun – 74
Krillin – 63
Yamcha – 58
Namu – 65
Giran – 63
Ranfan – 58
Bacterian – 56
Red Ribbon Army Saga
Goku – 75
Goku (Post Korin Training) – 105
Krillin – 63
Major Metallitron – 68
General Blue – 66
Mercenary Tao – 96
Assistant Black – 71
Assistant Black (Battle Jacket) – 95
Korin – 110
Fortuneteller Baba Saga
Goku – 105
Krillin – 63
Yamcha – 58
Grandpa Gohan – 97
Devil man – 88
Bandages – 80
Invisible Man – 52
Fangs – 48
Tien Shinhan Saga
Goku (Tournament Power) – 142
Goku (Battle Power) – 158
Jackie Chun – 139
Krillin – 128
Yamcha – 122
Tien – 152
Chiaotzu – 118
Master Shen – 130
King Chappa - 116
King Piccolo Saga
Goku – 158
Goku (Post Water) – 202
Tien – 152
Yajirobe – 135
King Piccolo (Old) – 178
King Piccolo – 202
Drum – 167
Tambourine – 145
Cymbal - 122
Kami – 292
Mr Popo – 265
Piccolo Jr Saga
Goku – 388
Kami – 292
Tien – 238
Krillin – 195
Yamcha – 168
Chiaotzu –142
Piccolo Jr – 370
Mercenary Tao – 156
So yeah once again if anything stands out as being wrong or something I missed or should be changed feel free to point it out so I can keep on improving it.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Any particular reason why you have Goku at 35 in the beginning? If you use the official 10 power level then you can make the gaps bigger later on. They are to small in the Piccolo Daimao arc for example.
There's also the issue that it was stated that Goku's power increased by many times thanks to Korin's training, so he should be at least twice as strong there.
There's also the issue that it was stated that Goku's power increased by many times thanks to Korin's training, so he should be at least twice as strong there.
Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
It all comes down to the power levels given in Dragon Ball Z. Roshi was at 139 and Tien was at 250 so it's trying to fit everything from 22nd Budokai Goku using his Match level power to 23rd Budokai Goku with his Weights inbetween 139 and 250.ZombieVito wrote:Any particular reason why you have Goku at 35 in the beginning? If you use the official 10 power level then you can make the gaps bigger later on. They are to small in the Piccolo Daimao arc for example.
There's also the issue that it was stated that Goku's power increased by many times thanks to Korin's training, so he should be at least twice as strong there.
Roshi was supposed to have retired so he shouldn't be that much stronger than he was at the 22nd Budokai if at all, he could be weaker. There's no room to have Goku be stronger than that and then get many times stronger and still be below 250.
The only way of working around it would be if Roshi was much stronger in the Saiyan Saga than the 22nd Budokai and that would be odd if he's retired and wasn't shown to do any training.
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If my suggestions are welcome:Bullza wrote:power levels.
Why do you have Krillin so far beyond an average human? He was called worthless by his bullies and he could not run 100m in less than 10 seconds.
Also, it seems Yamcha improved a bit too much to believe, while training on his own. He was defeated by Jackie Chun waving his hand. He should be lower.
Not a fan of seeing king Chappa so high, when Goku while using far less power than he used against Krillin easily defeatedhim while barely trying, and Tao was still hyped more than Chappa ever was.
Yajirobe and Tien seem to look a bit too weak for matching Goku at his best.
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That's a good point actually. I'll have to lower the characters in the Pilaf saga further.apex_pretador wrote:Why do you have Krillin so far beyond an average human? He was called worthless by his bullies and he could not run 100m in less than 10 seconds.
Was it said that Goku used less power against King Chappa than Krillin? Are you referring to Goku saying he held back against Chappa so he didn't kill him but said he wouldn't hold back against Krillin?Not a fan of seeing king Chappa so high, when Goku while using far less power than he used against Krillin easily defeatedhim while barely trying, and Tao was still hyped more than Chappa ever was.
Tao was still hyped but as it was mentioned a few posts up. Goku beat Tao without too much effort. Roshi saw how strong he he'd become. He then went and trained for 3 years so Roshi would have expected him to get a lot stronger but still was unsure if he'd beat King Chappa so he should be stronger than Tao.
Edit: Oh I think I also had him high because Yamcha said he didn't think anyone could beat Chappa so easily which should include himself so shouldn't that mean that Goku in the preliminary was stronger than Yamcha and also Krillin who was said to be of a similar level?
Yajirobe might be a bit too low I put him closer to Goku's match power because he didn't seem serious like when he fought Tambourine and when Yajirobe wanted no part of him if he was like that.Yajirobe and Tien seem to look a bit too weak for matching Goku at his best.
You think he should be higher than Tambourine?
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I'm not sure why you don't just use Goku's official battle power for that arc.Bullza wrote: That's a good point actually. I'll have to lower the characters in the Pilaf saga further.
Given that no one can actually gauge one's strength through Ki sensing yet, Yamcha and Jackie Chun are probably basing their estimations of Chappa's strength by his fearsome reputation rather than first hand knowledge.Was it said that Goku used less power against King Chappa than Krillin? Are you referring to Goku saying he held back against Chappa so he didn't kill him but said he wouldn't hold back against Krillin?
Tao was still hyped but as it was mentioned a few posts up. Goku beat Tao without too much effort. Roshi saw how strong he he'd become. He then went and trained for 3 years so Roshi would have expected him to get a lot stronger but still was unsure if he'd beat King Chappa so he should be stronger than Tao.
Edit: Oh I think I also had him high because Yamcha said he didn't think anyone could beat Chappa so easily which should include himself so shouldn't that mean that Goku in the preliminary was stronger than Yamcha and also Krillin who was said to be of a similar level?
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Goku >> Yamcha >> Kuririn >>>>>>>>>>>> Vídel >> Satan >> Average human (5)DanielSSJ wrote:I'm not sure why you don't just use Goku's official battle power for that arc.Bullza wrote: That's a good point actually. I'll have to lower the characters in the Pilaf saga further.
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Battle power is just a numerical measurement of Ki, and Ki wasn't the deciding factor in fights back in the day. Goku may possess twice as much Ki as a regular person, but his physical strength far surpasses that thanks to his extra tough Saiyan biology. In comparison, Muten Roshi is a centuries old Hermit and probably has a lot in the ways of Ki-based power, but he's still a (relatively) frail old man, which is why Goku was able to push that boulder further than him.VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Goku >> Yamcha >> Kuririn >>>>>>>>>>>> Vídel >> Satan >> Average human (5)
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