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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:45 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Are you going to continue your DBS power levels? I hope you didn't stop because you felt attacked by me. I was just tryna give constructive feedback


Sorry, I've been really caught up in things lately, and I haven't has much time to be on Kanzenshuu at all aside from a post or two (and perhaps I forgot briefly :P )

I do plan on continuing and I didn't take any offense at all from your feedback, it's actually appreciated. :)


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Just make a new post with new numbers. First Form Freeza is stronger than the Gohan who's base had surpassed Piccolo.(Which, is pretty damn strong if his base is stronger than Piccolo when Piccolo is normally SSJ Saiyans level.) And you have to think Piccolo wouldn't have been as frightened by First Form Freeza if he thought SSJ3 Gotenks could beat him like he did Super Buu. I think First Form Freeza is a bit stronger than Super Buu.

But yeah Base Goku barely getting a boost seems strange since he got the training from Whis. It should be atleast 2x IMO. I Disagree with the Super Saiyan Blue multiplier being only 2x over SSG. At first during this time we had no idea how things went in regards to the Super Saiyan God forms since now Goku had absorbed the power and attained a monumentally large boost. Beerus and Goku stated he had the same strength as SSG in SSJ after the SSG power had left him etc etc. But after that point Goku could still go SSG after he trained with Whis and harnessed God Ki. We didn't know this for certain during this time but it was confirmed in the ToP. But for Goku to have the same SSG boost he got before after he had absorbed the power would be just ridiculous. He would have gotten the giant SSG boost twice. That would be very overpowered and that doesn't appear to be the case.

During BoG we were told that SSG was astronomically stronger than SSJ3 and it provides a larger boost than the potara fusion does. We find out that during the ToP neither of these things are true anymore. Goku goes SSJ3 against the U6 Saiyans and then SSG and the boost he gains doesn't appear to be that large. And then in the fight with Kefla we can clearly see that her potara fusion boost was far larger than the boost that Goku got as going SSG. If the boost stayed the same, since Caulifla and Goku's base were about equal, then SSG Goku would have stomped SSJ2 Kefla. That tells us that the multiplier for SSG must have changed.(It had to, like I said it would be ridiculous if he got the same boost twice.) Then we see that Goku fights Base Kefla as a SSG, and SSJ Kefla as a SSB and the gap between them seems to stay the same. As the name of the name of the form and the description of the form seems to imply, I think SSG->SSB yields a 50x boost.

I think that numerically things look like this:(Where Base Goku BoG is a 1 here)
Goku(pre-ritual)
Base-1
SSJ-50
SSJ2-100
SSJ3-400
SSG-8,000,000(20,000x multiplier)
Goku(post-ritual)
Base-160,000
SSJ-8,000,000
SSJ2-16,000,000
SSJ3-64,000,000
SSG-128,000,000

And SSB is 50x the SSG value. Keep in mind I am just using these numbers to illustrate how the multiplier has changed and how Goku's power changed after he absorbed the SSG from the ritual.

Keep in mind this only applies to the anime. In the manga the scaling and multipliers are COMPLETELY different.



So if I have SSG (BOG Arc) at 20,000, and Base Goku and Vegeta (ROF) at 850, that would make a hypothetical SSG at approximately 40,000-45,000, and in turn, maybe a SSB at 2,000,000? With that, Golden Freeza would be at about 2,150,000, enough to have the upper hand initially, but not enough to outright stomp. With Gohan, making him in base equal to Piccolo would put his SS form at 4.5, probably too high but could be justified because I believe there was a line about Tagoma being as strong as Ultimate Gohan.

So for this, I will put this as my updated chart:


Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000

The U6 Arc coming soon, to a thread near you!
Ok just making sure you weren't feeling attacked. My post was pretty long-winded and could have come off as kind of rude so I tried to clear up any confusion.

Anyway,I think these numbers look REALLY good. To clarify, you are using SSJ3 Goku as a 1 on this scale like you were before? Also, it seems you left out First Form Freeza and Final Form Freeza, maybe you addressed that somewhere I'm not seeing but it appears that they are missing.

As for Tagoma, it is really confusing. Gohan says "He is as strong as me at my best" which seems to imply Ultimate Gohan, but then he defeats him even though he said he had not been training and became weaker? I don't know what to do about those.


Crap, I keep forgetting things :crazy:
Anyways, SS3 Goku (pre God ritual) is still a 1.

Here's my updated list with the Freezas:

Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
First Form Freeza: 35
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
Final Form Freeza: 820
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000



Now for the U6 Arc!

Goku (base): 2,700
Vegeta (base): 2,700
Botamo: 0.5 (his only gimmick was tanking attacks)
Frost (first form): 500
Frost (Assault Form): 2,750 (he had the upper hand against Base Goku, if I remember correctly)
Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 2,500 (I think most people put him at below base)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 3,200
Vegeta (SS): 135,000
Magetta: 130,000
Cabba (Base): 2,500 (Vegeta I think uses his full power, but I still think Cabba is slightly weaker)
Cabba (SS): 125,000
Vegeta (SSB): 6,350,400 (I got this number from the multiplier I made from SSB in the previous arc, which was 2,352)
Hit (initial): 10,000,000
Goku (SSB): 6,350,400 (but is able to predict Time Skip)
Goku (SSB Kaioken x10): 63,504,000
Hit (Full Power and Improved): 63,510,000
Monaka: 0.00000000000000001
Monaka (power that nobody knows about): Infinity

How do these look?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:10 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
First Form Freeza: 35
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
Final Form Freeza: 820
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000



Now for the U6 Arc!

Goku (base): 2,700
Vegeta (base): 2,700
Botamo: 0.5 (his only gimmick was tanking attacks)
Frost (first form): 500
Frost (Assault Form): 2,750 (he had the upper hand against Base Goku, if I remember correctly)
Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 2,500 (I think most people put him at below base)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 3,200
Vegeta (SS): 135,000
Magetta: 130,000
Cabba (Base): 2,500 (Vegeta I think uses his full power, but I still think Cabba is slightly weaker)
Cabba (SS): 125,000
Vegeta (SSB): 6,350,400 (I got this number from the multiplier I made from SSB in the previous arc, which was 2,352)
Hit (initial): 10,000,000
Goku (SSB): 6,350,400 (but is able to predict Time Skip)
Goku (SSB Kaioken x10): 63,504,000
Hit (Full Power and Improved): 63,510,000
I don't see anything that jumps out at me as being bad. But a few minor critiques:

-Goku and Vegeta train for 3 years in the ROSAT leading up to the Universe 6 Tournament but Vegeta comments that they are approaching their limit and aren't getting that much stronger. So I think Goku/Vegeta going from 850->2,700 is a bit much imo.
-I think you made the difference between Assault Form Frost and a little too big. Frost being dominated by SSJ Goku and Vegeta and being one shot, I think the gap is huge. Nobody really comments on an especially large boost so I don't see Frost's final form being that strong.

Now, see we have run into the problem that I was expecting to run into. Piccolo goes from 0.09->2,500 from RoF to Universe 6. That is a boost of over 27,000x. I mean it certainly appears that this is what is being shown and I don't blame anybody for thinking that but it just seems ridiculous to me that he could have gotten that kind of boost. Since this deduction is based solely on his performance against Frost, I think we can look a little deeper into his fight with Frost to get some answers.

As far as Dragon Ball Super is concerned, the sky is the limit in terms of the difference between a character in a heavily weakened state and their max power. Examples are:
-After Golden Freeza is heavily weakened, Vegeta is able to deflect a ki blast from him in his Base Form.
-Jiren after being heavily weakened, despite being far superior to SSBKKx20 Goku and an improved SSBE Vegeta at max power, he is overpowered by regular SSJ Goku and Final Form Freeza. The drop from being >>SSBKKx20/SSBE to being ~SSJ is monumentally large.

Both of these drops in power are objectively enormous and at the very least 1000x weaker than their max power. Now, if we deduce that Frost is weakened to a similar degree to Freeza and Jiren were, then his power he had against Piccolo would seem more reasonable and bring down Piccolo's seemingly enormous boost.

So if we apply this to Frost here(sticking with your numbers to prevent any confusion):

Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 6(weaker than Frost but able to close the gap with the makankosappo)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 8(saying atleast 1/1000th of max power like the two examples)

This way, Piccolo going from 0.09 ->6 is a 67x boost and pretty in line with the boost he gained leading up to the Android Arc, and seems more reasonable than a 27,000x boost.

Now, this may seem a bit extreme of a drop and it might be, but it makes sense to me.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:44 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
First Form Freeza: 35
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
Final Form Freeza: 820
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000



Now for the U6 Arc!

Goku (base): 2,700
Vegeta (base): 2,700
Botamo: 0.5 (his only gimmick was tanking attacks)
Frost (first form): 500
Frost (Assault Form): 2,750 (he had the upper hand against Base Goku, if I remember correctly)
Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 2,500 (I think most people put him at below base)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 3,200
Vegeta (SS): 135,000
Magetta: 130,000
Cabba (Base): 2,500 (Vegeta I think uses his full power, but I still think Cabba is slightly weaker)
Cabba (SS): 125,000
Vegeta (SSB): 6,350,400 (I got this number from the multiplier I made from SSB in the previous arc, which was 2,352)
Hit (initial): 10,000,000
Goku (SSB): 6,350,400 (but is able to predict Time Skip)
Goku (SSB Kaioken x10): 63,504,000
Hit (Full Power and Improved): 63,510,000
I don't see anything that jumps out at me as being bad. But a few minor critiques:

-Goku and Vegeta train for 3 years in the ROSAT leading up to the Universe 6 Tournament but Vegeta comments that they are approaching their limit and aren't getting that much stronger. So I think Goku/Vegeta going from 850->2,700 is a bit much imo.
-I think you made the difference between Assault Form Frost and a little too big. Frost being dominated by SSJ Goku and Vegeta and being one shot, I think the gap is huge. Nobody really comments on an especially large boost so I don't see Frost's final form being that strong.

Now, see we have run into the problem that I was expecting to run into. Piccolo goes from 0.09->2,500 from RoF to Universe 6. That is a boost of over 27,000x. I mean it certainly appears that this is what is being shown and I don't blame anybody for thinking that but it just seems ridiculous to me that he could have gotten that kind of boost. Since this deduction is based solely on his performance against Frost, I think we can look a little deeper into his fight with Frost to get some answers.

As far as Dragon Ball Super is concerned, the sky is the limit in terms of the difference between a character in a heavily weakened state and their max power. Examples are:
-After Golden Freeza is heavily weakened, Vegeta is able to deflect a ki blast from him in his Base Form.
-Jiren after being heavily weakened, despite being far superior to SSBKKx20 Goku and an improved SSBE Vegeta at max power, he is overpowered by regular SSJ Goku and Final Form Freeza. The drop from being >>SSBKKx20/SSBE to being ~SSJ is monumentally large.

Both of these drops in power are objectively enormous and at the very least 1000x weaker than their max power. Now, if we deduce that Frost is weakened to a similar degree to Freeza and Jiren were, then his power he had against Piccolo would seem more reasonable and bring down Piccolo's seemingly enormous boost.

So if we apply this to Frost here(sticking with your numbers to prevent any confusion):

Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 6(weaker than Frost but able to close the gap with the makankosappo)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 8(saying atleast 1/1000th of max power like the two examples)

This way, Piccolo going from 0.09 ->6 is a 67x boost and pretty in line with the boost he gained leading up to the Android Arc, and seems more reasonable than a 27,000x boost.

Now, this may seem a bit extreme of a drop and it might be, but it makes sense to me.
Actually you're correct, I would probably put Piccolo at like a 5 or 6, and Final Form Frost at 30,000, and him tired at maybe 9. I put Goku and Vegeta as high as I did because, while they aren't getting stronger at the same rate, they still went in the ROSAT for 3 years, they had to have gotten quite a large boost. The lowest I could see them being is 2,000, though I still feel 2,700 is the best imo, considering how many times everyone's gotten stronger from just 1 year, let alone 3 years, despite getting stronger at a slower pace.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:37 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
First Form Freeza: 35
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
Final Form Freeza: 820
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000



Now for the U6 Arc!

Goku (base): 2,700
Vegeta (base): 2,700
Botamo: 0.5 (his only gimmick was tanking attacks)
Frost (first form): 500
Frost (Assault Form): 2,750 (he had the upper hand against Base Goku, if I remember correctly)
Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 2,500 (I think most people put him at below base)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 3,200
Vegeta (SS): 135,000
Magetta: 130,000
Cabba (Base): 2,500 (Vegeta I think uses his full power, but I still think Cabba is slightly weaker)
Cabba (SS): 125,000
Vegeta (SSB): 6,350,400 (I got this number from the multiplier I made from SSB in the previous arc, which was 2,352)
Hit (initial): 10,000,000
Goku (SSB): 6,350,400 (but is able to predict Time Skip)
Goku (SSB Kaioken x10): 63,504,000
Hit (Full Power and Improved): 63,510,000
I don't see anything that jumps out at me as being bad. But a few minor critiques:

-Goku and Vegeta train for 3 years in the ROSAT leading up to the Universe 6 Tournament but Vegeta comments that they are approaching their limit and aren't getting that much stronger. So I think Goku/Vegeta going from 850->2,700 is a bit much imo.
-I think you made the difference between Assault Form Frost and a little too big. Frost being dominated by SSJ Goku and Vegeta and being one shot, I think the gap is huge. Nobody really comments on an especially large boost so I don't see Frost's final form being that strong.

Now, see we have run into the problem that I was expecting to run into. Piccolo goes from 0.09->2,500 from RoF to Universe 6. That is a boost of over 27,000x. I mean it certainly appears that this is what is being shown and I don't blame anybody for thinking that but it just seems ridiculous to me that he could have gotten that kind of boost. Since this deduction is based solely on his performance against Frost, I think we can look a little deeper into his fight with Frost to get some answers.

As far as Dragon Ball Super is concerned, the sky is the limit in terms of the difference between a character in a heavily weakened state and their max power. Examples are:
-After Golden Freeza is heavily weakened, Vegeta is able to deflect a ki blast from him in his Base Form.
-Jiren after being heavily weakened, despite being far superior to SSBKKx20 Goku and an improved SSBE Vegeta at max power, he is overpowered by regular SSJ Goku and Final Form Freeza. The drop from being >>SSBKKx20/SSBE to being ~SSJ is monumentally large.

Both of these drops in power are objectively enormous and at the very least 1000x weaker than their max power. Now, if we deduce that Frost is weakened to a similar degree to Freeza and Jiren were, then his power he had against Piccolo would seem more reasonable and bring down Piccolo's seemingly enormous boost.

So if we apply this to Frost here(sticking with your numbers to prevent any confusion):

Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 6(weaker than Frost but able to close the gap with the makankosappo)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 8(saying atleast 1/1000th of max power like the two examples)

This way, Piccolo going from 0.09 ->6 is a 67x boost and pretty in line with the boost he gained leading up to the Android Arc, and seems more reasonable than a 27,000x boost.

Now, this may seem a bit extreme of a drop and it might be, but it makes sense to me.
Actually you're correct, I would probably put Piccolo at like a 5 or 6, and Final Form Frost at 30,000, and him tired at maybe 9. I put Goku and Vegeta as high as I did because, while they aren't getting stronger at the same rate, they still went in the ROSAT for 3 years, they had to have gotten quite a large boost. The lowest I could see them being is 2,000, though I still feel 2,700 is the best imo, considering how many times everyone's gotten stronger from just 1 year, let alone 3 years, despite getting stronger at a slower pace.
That's fair enough. Are you going to do the Goku Black Arc?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:42 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote: I don't see anything that jumps out at me as being bad. But a few minor critiques:

-Goku and Vegeta train for 3 years in the ROSAT leading up to the Universe 6 Tournament but Vegeta comments that they are approaching their limit and aren't getting that much stronger. So I think Goku/Vegeta going from 850->2,700 is a bit much imo.
-I think you made the difference between Assault Form Frost and a little too big. Frost being dominated by SSJ Goku and Vegeta and being one shot, I think the gap is huge. Nobody really comments on an especially large boost so I don't see Frost's final form being that strong.

Now, see we have run into the problem that I was expecting to run into. Piccolo goes from 0.09->2,500 from RoF to Universe 6. That is a boost of over 27,000x. I mean it certainly appears that this is what is being shown and I don't blame anybody for thinking that but it just seems ridiculous to me that he could have gotten that kind of boost. Since this deduction is based solely on his performance against Frost, I think we can look a little deeper into his fight with Frost to get some answers.

As far as Dragon Ball Super is concerned, the sky is the limit in terms of the difference between a character in a heavily weakened state and their max power. Examples are:
-After Golden Freeza is heavily weakened, Vegeta is able to deflect a ki blast from him in his Base Form.
-Jiren after being heavily weakened, despite being far superior to SSBKKx20 Goku and an improved SSBE Vegeta at max power, he is overpowered by regular SSJ Goku and Final Form Freeza. The drop from being >>SSBKKx20/SSBE to being ~SSJ is monumentally large.

Both of these drops in power are objectively enormous and at the very least 1000x weaker than their max power. Now, if we deduce that Frost is weakened to a similar degree to Freeza and Jiren were, then his power he had against Piccolo would seem more reasonable and bring down Piccolo's seemingly enormous boost.

So if we apply this to Frost here(sticking with your numbers to prevent any confusion):

Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 6(weaker than Frost but able to close the gap with the makankosappo)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 8(saying atleast 1/1000th of max power like the two examples)

This way, Piccolo going from 0.09 ->6 is a 67x boost and pretty in line with the boost he gained leading up to the Android Arc, and seems more reasonable than a 27,000x boost.

Now, this may seem a bit extreme of a drop and it might be, but it makes sense to me.
Actually you're correct, I would probably put Piccolo at like a 5 or 6, and Final Form Frost at 30,000, and him tired at maybe 9. I put Goku and Vegeta as high as I did because, while they aren't getting stronger at the same rate, they still went in the ROSAT for 3 years, they had to have gotten quite a large boost. The lowest I could see them being is 2,000, though I still feel 2,700 is the best imo, considering how many times everyone's gotten stronger from just 1 year, let alone 3 years, despite getting stronger at a slower pace.
That's fair enough. Are you going to do the Goku Black Arc?
Yes, at some point. Also, for the TOP, I will probably only do the people who made an overall difference or were important (that's still well more than how many I've done for the other Arcs) because 80 people is quite a bit to keep track of.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:44 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
Actually you're correct, I would probably put Piccolo at like a 5 or 6, and Final Form Frost at 30,000, and him tired at maybe 9. I put Goku and Vegeta as high as I did because, while they aren't getting stronger at the same rate, they still went in the ROSAT for 3 years, they had to have gotten quite a large boost. The lowest I could see them being is 2,000, though I still feel 2,700 is the best imo, considering how many times everyone's gotten stronger from just 1 year, let alone 3 years, despite getting stronger at a slower pace.
That's fair enough. Are you going to do the Goku Black Arc?
Yes, at some point. Also, for the TOP, I will probably only do the people who made an overall difference or were important (that's still well more than how many I've done for the other Arcs) because 80 people is quite a bit to keep track of.
Yeah I wouldn't expect you to do all 80 fighters lol. It would be extremely difficult first of all, and I think it would just be too time consuming for a bunch of characters that are irrelevant. If you did do all 80 of them I might have to question your sanity!

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:51 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
That's fair enough. Are you going to do the Goku Black Arc?
Yes, at some point. Also, for the TOP, I will probably only do the people who made an overall difference or were important (that's still well more than how many I've done for the other Arcs) because 80 people is quite a bit to keep track of.
Yeah I wouldn't expect you to do all 80 fighters lol. It would be extremely difficult first of all, and I think it would just be too time consuming for a bunch of characters that are irrelevant. If you did do all 80 of them I might have to question your sanity!

I'm surprised you haven't already :P
I might have a death wish because I'm thinking of trying GT after I'm done with Super, and I haven't even watched GT in a while, so I'm not sure if I'm going to do it.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:54 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
Yes, at some point. Also, for the TOP, I will probably only do the people who made an overall difference or were important (that's still well more than how many I've done for the other Arcs) because 80 people is quite a bit to keep track of.
Yeah I wouldn't expect you to do all 80 fighters lol. It would be extremely difficult first of all, and I think it would just be too time consuming for a bunch of characters that are irrelevant. If you did do all 80 of them I might have to question your sanity!

I'm surprised you haven't already :P
I might have a death wish because I'm thinking of trying GT after I'm done with Super, and I haven't even watched GT in a while, so I'm not sure if I'm going to do it.
0/10 decision. Would not recommend.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:06 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't expect you to do all 80 fighters lol. It would be extremely difficult first of all, and I think it would just be too time consuming for a bunch of characters that are irrelevant. If you did do all 80 of them I might have to question your sanity!

I'm surprised you haven't already :P
I might have a death wish because I'm thinking of trying GT after I'm done with Super, and I haven't even watched GT in a while, so I'm not sure if I'm going to do it.
0/10 decision. Would not recommend.

Haven't others tried and failed? I know that it's near impossible. And they say Super is more inconsistent. :lol:

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by PFM18 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:11 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:

I'm surprised you haven't already :P
I might have a death wish because I'm thinking of trying GT after I'm done with Super, and I haven't even watched GT in a while, so I'm not sure if I'm going to do it.
0/10 decision. Would not recommend.

Haven't others tried and failed? I know that it's near impossible. And they say Super is more inconsistent. :lol:
I think people just get too confused by the "god boost" and how that worked and that is why they think it is too inconsistent. If you understand how it works I dont think it is that hard to make sense of DBS

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PFM18 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
0/10 decision. Would not recommend.

Haven't others tried and failed? I know that it's near impossible. And they say Super is more inconsistent. :lol:
I think people just get too confused by the "god boost" and how that worked and that is why they think it is too inconsistent. If you understand how it works I dont think it is that hard to make sense of DBS
Agreed, imo Super is still inconsistent compared to DB and DBZ but it's not as bad as many people say.

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Post by jeffbr92 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:08 am

Champa The Destroyer wrote:Haven't others tried and failed? I know that it's near impossible. And they say Super is more inconsistent. :lol:
But it is, the only thing consistent about GT power levels is how strong Base Goku is supposed to be. In Super you have Base sometimes uber strong like it has absorbed God powers, other times not, Future Trunks power level and other issues that people use the "holding back" card to fix it.
Power levels are not just big numbers:

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jeffbr92 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:Haven't others tried and failed? I know that it's near impossible. And they say Super is more inconsistent. :lol:
But it is, the only thing consistent about GT power levels is how strong Base Goku is supposed to be. In Super you have Base sometimes uber strong like it has absorbed God powers, other times not, Future Trunks power level and other issues that people use the "holding back" card to fix it.
Don't you mean that is "the only thing inconsistent about GT"

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Post by jeffbr92 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:18 pm

PFM18 wrote:Don't you mean that is "the only thing inconsistent about GT"
Oh yes, exactly that lol
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jeffbr92 wrote:
PFM18 wrote:Don't you mean that is "the only thing inconsistent about GT"
Oh yes, exactly that lol
Now that I actually know what you are saying. I have to disagree, as you can see @Champa The Destroyer could fairly easily make a coherent reasonable list of power that fits very well with the series. If it was so incredibly inconsistent this would not be possible. It would have a myriad of contradictions like GT does.

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Post by jeffbr92 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:32 am

PFM18 wrote:Now that I actually know what you are saying. I have to disagree, as you can see @Champa The Destroyer could fairly easily make a coherent reasonable list of power that fits very well with the series. If it was so incredibly inconsistent this would not be possible. It would have a myriad of contradictions like GT does.
Sorry, but I didn't think his list was coherent at all, mainly because he's ignoring stuff like Beerus 10% statement, FT arc convoluted power levels and etc.
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Post by PFM18 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:50 am

jeffbr92 wrote:
PFM18 wrote:Now that I actually know what you are saying. I have to disagree, as you can see @Champa The Destroyer could fairly easily make a coherent reasonable list of power that fits very well with the series. If it was so incredibly inconsistent this would not be possible. It would have a myriad of contradictions like GT does.
Sorry, but I didn't think his list was coherent at all, mainly because he's ignoring stuff like Beerus 10% statement, FT arc convoluted power levels and etc.
Well he hasn't even done the FT arc yet so I have no idea how you could say his list isn't coherent because of the FT arc and what it entails as far as power goes. Sure, it may be difficult to make a coherent list for the FT arc, definitely the hardest arc of the series and maybe even the franchise,(mostly because Trunks's power makes no sense) but it certainly isn't much harder if any harder to do than the majority of GT or the Buu Arc.

Beerus's 10% statement MUST be similar to his 100% statement in that he lied for dramatic effect. He said he lied about using his full-power so logically it would be similar to say the same for the 10% statement.

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Well, this is the Ultimate Power Levels Guide by me. No multipliers, no SSJ craps, no Daizenshuu wrong info, no useless multi thousands units. I don't speak english very well but I give you the Power Levels right now. Let's begin with the First Arc on the Manga.
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Green color means characters that are potential city or mountains busters.
Blue color means potential planet busters.
Red color means potential solar systems or Universe busters.

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01 - EMPEROR PILAF SAGA:

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 100
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 1,000 [Ozharu]

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02 - RED RIBBON ARMY SAGA:

Kame'Sen'Nin 亀仙人 - 135

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 135
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 1,350 (Ozharu)

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Tao Pai Pai 桃白白 - 150
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 135

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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 165

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03 - EARTH DEMON SAGA:

Kame'Sen'Nin 亀仙人 - 150

Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 180
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 182


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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 335 [Max. Power]
Piccolo Daimao ピッコロ大魔王 - 330 [Max. Power]

Mr. Popo - 390
God 神 - 500


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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 500 [Without weights / Full Power]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 495 [Without weights]


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04 - SUPER SAIYAN SAGA:

Human 農家 - 5
Piccolo ピッコロ - 332
Raditz ラディッツ - 1,220
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 334


Son Gokū 孫 悟空: 416 [Without weights]
Piccolo ピッコロ: 408 [Without weights]

Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 924 [by Son Goku]
Makankosappo 魔貫光殺砲 - over 1,330 [by Piccolo]

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 1,307


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Kame'Sen'Nin 亀仙人 - 139
Kuririn クリリン - 206
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 177
Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 250
Piccolo ピッコロ - 329
KaioSama 北の界王 - 2,100


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Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 981
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,220
Kuririn クリリン - 1,083
Cultiwars 栽培マン - 1,200

Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 1,400
Yamcha ヤムチャ - 1,290
Kuririn クリリン - 1,420
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,880
Masenko 龍拳 - 2,800 [by Son Gohan]

Nappa ナッパ - 7,600


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 8,100
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 14,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,240 (Kaioken)
Vegeta ベジータ - 18,000


Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 26,630 [Son Goku - Kaiokenx3]
Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 32,840 [Son Goku - Kaioken x4]

Vegeta ベジータ - less than 4,000 (Artificial Moon)
Vegeta ベジータ - around 40,000 (Ozharu)


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Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 1,490
Kuririn クリリン - 1,510

Kwi キュイ - 18,000
Namekian warriors 戦士タイプ - 1,000
Namekian warriors 戦士タイ - 3,000 (Max. Power)
Vegeta ベジータ - 24,000 [First Zenkai after Earth]

Dodoria ドドリア - 21,000
Zarbón ザーボン - 21,500
Zarbón ザーボン - 27,100 (Transformed)
Vegeta ベジータ - 24,000 [Second Zenkai after Earth]
Kuririn クリリン - 10,500
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 12,000



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Gurd グルド - 1,000
Rikkumuh リクーム - 50,000
Buttao バター - 50,000
Yiza ジース - 50,000
Captain Ginyu ギニュー - 120,000

Nail ネイル - 42,000


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 90,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 180,000 [Kaioken]
Captain Ginyu ギニュー - 23,000 (Body change)
Vegeta ベジータ - over 100,000 [Third Zenkai after Earth]
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 12,000 [Second Zenkai after Earth]

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Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 530,000
Vegeta ベジータ - 380,000

Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 1,060,000 [Second form]
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 600,000 [Third Zenkai after Earth / Max. Power]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 1,150,000 [Without weights / Fused with Nail]
Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 1,510,000 [Third form]
Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 1,400,000 [Fourth Zenkai after Earth / Max. Power]


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Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,140,000 [True form]
Vegeta ベジータ - 1,540,000 ([Fourth Zenkai after Earth / Max. Power]
Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,200,000


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 200,000

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 1,600,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 2,000,000 [Kaioken x10]
Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,425,000 [50% Power]
Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - around 2,290,000 [by Son Goku / Kaioken x20]
GenkiDama 元気玉 - 2,240,000 [by Son Goku]

Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 4,850,000 [100% Max. Power]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 5,000,000 [The Legendary Super Saiyan]


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BONUS I - RED RIBBON PART II:

Emperor Sir Freezer フリーザ - 2,180,000
Korudo Daio コルド大王 - 2,150,000

Trunks トランクス - 4,800,000 [Super Saiyan]

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Dr. Gero Dr. ゲロ - 1,800,000
Jinzoningen #19 人造人間19号 - 1,650,000 [Absorbed ki]

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - less than 5,250,000 [Super Saiyan]
Vegeta ベジータ - 5,275,000 [Super Saiyan]


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Lapis 人造人間17号 - 5,500,000
Lazuli 人造人間18号 - 5,500,000
Jinzoningen #16 人造人間16号 - 5,800,000


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Piccolo ピッコロ - 5,490,000 [Fused with KamiSama]

Cell セル - 5,790,000
Cell セル - 8,540,000 [Lapis absorbed]


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Vegeta ベジータ - 8,600,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Max. Power]

Cell セル - 10,800,500 [Lazuli absorbed]
Trunks トランクス - over 10,800,500 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Max. Power]


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Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 10,200,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan]

Mark "Hercule" ミスター・サタン - 30

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 11,250,000 [Super Saiyan 2]
Cell セル - 11,280,000 [Zenkai]
Kamehameha 足からかめはめ波 - over 13,000,000 [by Son Goku & Son Gohan]


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BONUS II - THE FINAL SAGA:

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 10,000,000 [Super Saiyan]

Son Goten 孫 悟天 - 2,180,000 [Super Saiyan]
Trunks トランクス - 2,200,000 [Super Saiyan]
Piccolo ピッコロ - 6,220,000
Shin 界王神 - 6,400,000

Dabura ダーブラ - 10,800,000


Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 11,280,000 [Super Saiyan 2]
Vegeta ベジータ - 11,280,000 [Super Saiyan 2]


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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 12,600,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - over 12,640,000 [Super Saiyan 3]


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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 14,000,000
Gotenks ゴテンクス - 14,230,000,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan 3]

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯 - 14,350,000

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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 14,400,000 [Gotenks absorbed]

KibitoShin 東の界王神 -10,000,000

Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 15,000,000 [Son Gohan absorbed]
Vegetto ベジット - 18,000,000 [Super Saiyan]


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Majin Bu 魔人ブウ - 12,750,000

Vegeta ベジータ - 12,000,000 [Super Saiyan 2]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 13,000,000 [Super Saiyan 3 / Max. Power]

GenkiDama 元気玉 - 14,500,000 [by Son Goku]


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BONUS III - TOYORARO'S MANGA:

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - over 12,650,000 [Super Saiyan 3]
Vegeta ベジータ - 14,400,000 [Super Saiyan 2 / Max. Power]

Beerus ビルス - over 20,000,000 [Low power / Active]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,000,000 [Super Saiyan God]


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Universe 6 fighter Botamo ボタモ - 1,000,000
Universe 6 fighter Emperor Sir Frost フロスト - 6,400,000[True form]

Piccolo ピッコロ - 6,500,000

Universe 6 fighter Magetta オッタマゲッタ - 10,000,000

Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,300,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Blue]
Vegeta ベジータ - 16,150,000 [ROSAT / Super Saiyan Blue]

Universe 6 fighter Kyabe キャベ - 9,750,000 [Super Saiyan]

Universe 6 fighter Hit ヒット - 16,350,000
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,365,000 [Super Saiyan Blue / Max. Power]


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Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - 10,100,000

Vegeta ベジータ - 16,300,000 [Super Saiyan Blue]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,400,000 [Super Saiyan Blue]
Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - 15,900,000 [Son Goku's body / Zenkai / Super Saiyan 2]

Vegeta ベジータ - 16,495,000 [Zenkai / Super Saiyan God / Max. Power]
Son Gokū 孫 悟空 - 16,500,000 [Zenkai / Super Saiyan God / Max. Power]
Trunks トランクス - over 13,500,000 [Super Saiyan 2 / Max. Power]
Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - less than 16,480,000 [Son Goku's body / Super Saiyan Blue A.K.A. Rosé]

Universe 10 KaioShin Zamasu - 20,000,000 [Perfect God]
Vegetto ベジット - 20,250,000 [Super Saiyan Blue]


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Kuririn クリリン - 17,000
Tenshinhan 天津飯 - 20,000

Universe 6 fighter Emperor Sir Frost フロスト - 6,900,000[True form]

Universe 6 fighter Hit ヒット - 16,800,000

Lazuli 人造人間18号 - 7,200,000
Piccolo ピッコロ - 6,850,000
Universe 4 fighter Gamisaras - 5,750,000
Universe 4 fighter Damon - 5,755,000


Universe 6 fighter Caulifla - 13,000,000 [Super Saiyan / Max. Power]
Universe 6 fighter Kyabe キャベ - 12,000,000 [Super Saiyan 2]

Universe 6 fighter Kale - over 20,000,000 [Super Saiyan / No Limit Max. Power]
Universe 3 fighter Dr. Paparoni - 12,500,000 [Fused with robots]
Universe 11 fighter Dyspo - 15,000,000


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Top 25 powerful characters:

1 - DaiShinKan - unknown
2 - All angels - unknown
3 - All GoD's - unknown
4 - Jiren - unknown
5 - Some possible fighters (Freezer / Toppo / Lapis / Son Gohan) - unknown / over 20,000,000
6 - Kale - over 20,00,0000
7 - Future Zamasu - 20,000,000 units
8 - Son Goku - over 16,800,000 / over 20,000,000
9 - Vegeta - over 16,800,000 / over 20,000,000
10 - Hit - 16,800,000
11 - Dyspo - 15,000,000
12 - Future Trunks - 13,500,000
13 - Caulifla - 13,000,000
14 - Evil Bu - 12,750,000
15 - Mr. Bu - 12,600,000
16 - Anilaza - 12,500,000
17 - Kyabe - 12,000,000
18 - Cell - 11,280,000
19 - Dabura - 10,800,000
20 - Zamasu - 10,100,000
21 - Magetta - 10,000,000
22 - Lazuli - 7,200,000
23 - Piccolo - 6,850,000
24 - All Kaio - around 6,500,000
25 - Shin - 6,400,000

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Others Facts:

-The final Spirit Bomb can't destroy Shin Bu.
-Kuririn is weakest than Vegeta in his first arrival on Earth in the Tournament Of Power.
-Tenshinhan is weakest than Dodoria in the Tournament Of Power.
-Vegeta SSJ2 in the KaioShin Planet is weaker than the Father-Son Kamehameha.

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Jaco the Patrolman vol. I - XI
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Post by PFM18 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:13 pm

-The final Spirit Bomb can't destroy Shin Bu.
-Kuririn is weakest than Vegeta in his first arrival on Earth in the Tournament Of Power.
-Tenshinhan is weakest than Dodoria in the Tournament Of Power.
-Vegeta SSJ2 in the KaioShin Planet is weaker than the Father-Son Kamehameha.
How are any of these facts?

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Post by Mattias_ » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:20 pm

PFM18 wrote: How are any of these facts?
They were stated by me, a great fan of Dragon Ball since 1998.
POWER LEVELS: (Updated / Restored / Leveled / No multiplier nor daizenshuu wrong info)
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POWER LEVELS:

Jaco the Patrolman vol. I - XI
Dragon Ball Minus
Dragon Ball vol. I - XLII
Dragon Ball Super manga cap. 1 - ???

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