Which Marvel characters would fight in ToP if they had to, and how would they fare?

[apex_pretador]

Inspired from this thread

Scenario 1: Pre secret wars Marvel 616
Scenario 2: Current 616 Marvel

Characters like Galactus and higher are not allowed due to being similar to God of destruction, and gods like Odin, Zeus and other skyfathers are not allowed due to being similar to gods of creation.

Same rules as ToP

[Bullza]

I can only really pick from the current version of characters.

There's so many characters to choose from it'd take forever to even consider who the members would be. I think that's why I singled them out to make it easier.

Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Professor X, Iron Man with his best armour, Black Bolt, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange, Jean Grey and Scarlet Witch perhaps?

How they would fare? I'm not familiar enough with them all to say, Professor X couldn't control the machines which would be his downfall. Would the others even have the speed necessary to do well? Thor for example with all his strength had trouble with Wolverine because of how fast and agile he was. Hulk had trouble with Spider-man for the same reason and they're snails in comparison to even Roshi.

Thor couldn't use his hammer either.

Doctor Strange could probably cause problems, I'm too familiar with him.

I really just don't know how Sentry and Silver Surfer would do in something like this, if they've got the speed and martial arts skill to do well or not.

[apex_pretador]

I can only really pick from the current version of characters.

There's so many characters to choose from it'd take forever to even consider who the members would be. I think that's why I singled them out to make it easier.

Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Professor X, Iron Man with his best armour, Black Bolt, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange, Jean Grey and Scarlet Witch perhaps?

How they would fare? I'm not familiar enough with them all to say, Professor X couldn't control the machines which would be his downfall. Would the others even have the speed necessary to do well? Thor for example with all his strength had trouble with Wolverine because of how fast and agile he was. Hulk had trouble with Spider-man for the same reason and they're snails in comparison to even Roshi.

Thor couldn't use his hammer either.

Doctor Strange could probably cause problems, I'm too familiar with him.

I really just don't know how Sentry and Silver Surfer would do in something like this, if they've got the speed and martial arts skill to do well or not.

There is no Sentry in current Marvel, and current Thor doesn't have his hammer.

Professor X has controlled and shut down fully Robotic androids

Iron Man's armor IMO counts as a weapon, not sure though. Also, Spiderman should be faster than Roshi.

Silver Surfer is quite fast, faster than light by quite a lot. His board is not a weapon, but a part of his body. He can create new board out of nowhere with pure energy and use that to fly. Would that be allowed? I don;t know.

[Draconic]

Dr Doom would take control over Universe 3 and gain the support of Universe 9 and 4 trough his charisma. Then, trough some mambo jambo would steal the Daishinkan's powers while everybody is fighting amongst eachother. He'd then kill the Gods and the Pride Troopers. Universe 6 would stay out of this all. Universe 10 will swear to him out of fear. Universe 7 would be the only resistance left and, if Goku's Limit Breaking form is not stronger than the Grand Priest, the place would end up as an example to the others.

He'll then use the Super Dragon Balls to become immortal and keep them under surveilance in order to merge all the universes at a later date, after which he'd turn this megaverse into an amazing utopia.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well I'm figuring there would probably be a big debate on who got to participate, because there are a lot of potential characters not just on Earth but on other planets too.

Would Silver Surfer be allowed to use his board? It's not really a weapon...

Thor would also be at a huge disadvantage without Mjolnir.

Depending on which version of the Hulk he could be too savage and uncontrolled to participate.

Black Bolt would definitely be a contender.

Doctor Strange relies on a lot of magical artifacts and such, so I'm not sure how he would do without them.

Professor X would just be cheap - the rest of the team only has to defend him and he could knock out every opponent in seconds. That wouldn't be any fun. After all, this is a martial arts tournament, not a 'shut down your mind' tournament. BTW, he actually can control and influence machines, as he has used his powers on Sentinels before. So yeah.

Sentry was overrated and I never really liked him that much. So no comment.

Iron Man's armor would classify as a weapon I'm pretty sure. Unless he built it into his body cyborg style (which he could do, but would he want to?)

Jean Grey is in a similar boat as Professor X, especially if she uses Phoenix powers. But she also has more conventional ways of fighting.

Assuming this is not the House of M version, Scarlet Witch might be interesting, as her powers are kind of random and can't really be predicted - by her opponents or her allies.

Quicksilver might also be a good competitor... some versions of him are faster than others but I can see his fastest versions being sort of like Dyspo.

Another candidate is the Vision, his ability to become intangible by lowing his density and to become super heavy could lead to a lot of opportunities to knock out fighters (imagine someone charging at him only to pass right through him and fall off the edge of the ring).

Spider-Man isn't really so tough to hit because he's fast (not that he isn't fast - he is) but because of his spider sense which is like precognition, it alerts him of danger before it happens. Still, that would only get him so far in a tournament like this.

Doctor Doom would also have trouble since most of his powers come from his armor, which wouldn't be allowed. Though he can still do a Captain Ginyu style brain switch if he has to.

Someone like Thanos might be a good contender... he has many dangerous powers.

[8000 Saiyan]

Well I'm figuring there would probably be a big debate on who got to participate, because there are a lot of potential characters not just on Earth but on other planets too.

Would Silver Surfer be allowed to use his board? It's not really a weapon...

Thor would also be at a huge disadvantage without Mjolnir.

Depending on which version of the Hulk he could be too savage and uncontrolled to participate.

Black Bolt would definitely be a contender.

Doctor Strange relies on a lot of magical artifacts and such, so I'm not sure how he would do without them.

Professor X would just be cheap - the rest of the team only has to defend him and he could knock out every opponent in seconds. That wouldn't be any fun. After all, this is a martial arts tournament, not a 'shut down your mind' tournament. BTW, he actually can control and influence machines, as he has used his powers on Sentinels before. So yeah.

Sentry was overrated and I never really liked him that much. So no comment.

Iron Man's armor would classify as a weapon I'm pretty sure. Unless he built it into his body cyborg style (which he could do, but would he want to?)

Jean Grey is in a similar boat as Professor X, especially if she uses Phoenix powers. But she also has more conventional ways of fighting.

Assuming this is not the House of M version, Scarlet Witch might be interesting, as her powers are kind of random and can't really be predicted - by her opponents or her allies.

Quicksilver might also be a good competitor... some versions of him are faster than others but I can see his fastest versions being sort of like Dyspo.

Another candidate is the Vision, his ability to become intangible by lowing his density and to become super heavy could lead to a lot of opportunities to knock out fighters (imagine someone charging at him only to pass right through him and fall off the edge of the ring).

Spider-Man isn't really so tough to hit because he's fast (not that he isn't fast - he is) but because of his spider sense which is like precognition, it alerts him of danger before it happens. Still, that would only get him so far in a tournament like this.

Doctor Doom would also have trouble since most of his powers come from his armor, which wouldn't be allowed. Though he can still do a Captain Ginyu style brain switch if he has to.

Someone like Thanos might be a good contender... he has many dangerous powers.

Silver Surfer wouldn't really need the board. He can fly without it.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think he can levitate without it (although that would be against the rules) but he can't go faster than light without it.

[apex_pretador]

Well I'm figuring there would probably be a big debate on who got to participate, because there are a lot of potential characters not just on Earth but on other planets too.

Would Silver Surfer be allowed to use his board? It's not really a weapon...

Thor would also be at a huge disadvantage without Mjolnir.

Depending on which version of the Hulk he could be too savage and uncontrolled to participate.

Black Bolt would definitely be a contender.

Doctor Strange relies on a lot of magical artifacts and such, so I'm not sure how he would do without them.

Professor X would just be cheap - the rest of the team only has to defend him and he could knock out every opponent in seconds. That wouldn't be any fun. After all, this is a martial arts tournament, not a 'shut down your mind' tournament. BTW, he actually can control and influence machines, as he has used his powers on Sentinels before. So yeah.

Sentry was overrated and I never really liked him that much. So no comment.

Iron Man's armor would classify as a weapon I'm pretty sure. Unless he built it into his body cyborg style (which he could do, but would he want to?)

Jean Grey is in a similar boat as Professor X, especially if she uses Phoenix powers. But she also has more conventional ways of fighting.

Assuming this is not the House of M version, Scarlet Witch might be interesting, as her powers are kind of random and can't really be predicted - by her opponents or her allies.

Quicksilver might also be a good competitor... some versions of him are faster than others but I can see his fastest versions being sort of like Dyspo.

Another candidate is the Vision, his ability to become intangible by lowing his density and to become super heavy could lead to a lot of opportunities to knock out fighters (imagine someone charging at him only to pass right through him and fall off the edge of the ring).

Spider-Man isn't really so tough to hit because he's fast (not that he isn't fast - he is) but because of his spider sense which is like precognition, it alerts him of danger before it happens. Still, that would only get him so far in a tournament like this.

Doctor Doom would also have trouble since most of his powers come from his armor, which wouldn't be allowed. Though he can still do a Captain Ginyu style brain switch if he has to.

Someone like Thanos might be a good contender... he has many dangerous powers.

Silver Surfer wouldn't really need the board. He can fly without it.

I guess the board should be allowed since it is basically a part of Silver Surfer and he can recreate that board out of nothing just by his energy.

[dario03]

Iron Man's armor would classify as a weapon I'm pretty sure. Unless he built it into his body cyborg style (which he could do, but would he want to?)

Tony already has a couple of nanotech suits that are directly connected to his mind and stored in his body. The majority of it moves to the outside when in use but I would think that would be good enough to loophole it.

[FoolsGil]

Vision's ability to phase has never been seen or used in the series. He can use the ability to run out the clock, and rematerialize when his foes get desperate and distracted, and hit them off the arena.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well I'm figuring there would probably be a big debate on who got to participate, because there are a lot of potential characters not just on Earth but on other planets too.

Would Silver Surfer be allowed to use his board? It's not really a weapon...

Thor would also be at a huge disadvantage without Mjolnir.

Depending on which version of the Hulk he could be too savage and uncontrolled to participate.

Black Bolt would definitely be a contender.

Doctor Strange relies on a lot of magical artifacts and such, so I'm not sure how he would do without them.

Professor X would just be cheap - the rest of the team only has to defend him and he could knock out every opponent in seconds. That wouldn't be any fun. After all, this is a martial arts tournament, not a 'shut down your mind' tournament. BTW, he actually can control and influence machines, as he has used his powers on Sentinels before. So yeah.

Sentry was overrated and I never really liked him that much. So no comment.

Iron Man's armor would classify as a weapon I'm pretty sure. Unless he built it into his body cyborg style (which he could do, but would he want to?)

Jean Grey is in a similar boat as Professor X, especially if she uses Phoenix powers. But she also has more conventional ways of fighting.

Assuming this is not the House of M version, Scarlet Witch might be interesting, as her powers are kind of random and can't really be predicted - by her opponents or her allies.

Quicksilver might also be a good competitor... some versions of him are faster than others but I can see his fastest versions being sort of like Dyspo.

Another candidate is the Vision, his ability to become intangible by lowing his density and to become super heavy could lead to a lot of opportunities to knock out fighters (imagine someone charging at him only to pass right through him and fall off the edge of the ring).

Spider-Man isn't really so tough to hit because he's fast (not that he isn't fast - he is) but because of his spider sense which is like precognition, it alerts him of danger before it happens. Still, that would only get him so far in a tournament like this.

Doctor Doom would also have trouble since most of his powers come from his armor, which wouldn't be allowed. Though he can still do a Captain Ginyu style brain switch if he has to.

Someone like Thanos might be a good contender... he has many dangerous powers.

Silver Surfer wouldn't really need the board. He can fly without it.

I guess the board should be allowed since it is basically a part of Silver Surfer and he can recreate that board out of nothing just by his energy.

But going by that logic, wouldn't that mean that someone like Piccolo would be allowed to create weapons with magic materialization?

[apex_pretador]

Silver Surfer wouldn't really need the board. He can fly without it.

I guess the board should be allowed since it is basically a part of Silver Surfer and he can recreate that board out of nothing just by his energy.

But going by that logic, wouldn't that mean that someone like Piccolo would be allowed to create weapons with magic materialization?

Well, if 90% of the characters can create weapons out of energy constructs, then I don't see why creating his board would be disallowed for surfer.

As for Piccolo, his ability to create materials is mostly forgotten and rarely seen in the series. I guess we should ask grand priest if he is allowed or not.

[ekrolo2]

I can see Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Doom, Proff X and Doc Strange would be the only useful people on here, mostly thanks to their magic & telepathic abilities most of which DB characters have no real counters too, especially Proff Xs mental abilities that would let him drop a shit load of people like bricks without much trouble.

The others are irrelevant, Hulk, at his strongest can only sink the Eastern sea board of America which is a far cry from Roshi blowing up the moon in the SECOND ARC of the series. Spider-Man's useless too, as are Black Bolt and Quicksilver. They might take some people by surprise but once people figure out how strong they are, they'll get picked off very easily.

[dario03]

I can see Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Doom, Proff X and Doc Strange would be the only useful people on here, mostly thanks to their magic & telepathic abilities most of which DB characters have no real counters too, especially Proff Xs mental abilities that would let him drop a shit load of people like bricks without much trouble.

The others are irrelevant, Hulk, at his strongest can only sink the Eastern sea board of America which is a far cry from Roshi blowing up the moon in the SECOND ARC of the series. Spider-Man's useless too, as are Black Bolt and Quicksilver. They might take some people by surprise but once people figure out how strong they are, they'll get picked off very easily.

Hulk has better feats. I'm not sure but I don't even think the Eastern seaboard thing was an attack, he just stepped. Also Gray hulk (who afaik is supposed to be a weaker form than green) destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth while using some anti magnetic thing to get there (though the tech burnt up in the atmosphere). Hulk and Red She Hulk destroyed a planet with shockwaves. And one time while in another dimension he reflected an attack with a thunderclap that destroyed the dimension.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Hulk and Black Bolt both actually have statements that give them infinite power, much like Superman. But only extreme fanboys take those seriously.

[Doctor.]

I can see Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Doom, Proff X and Doc Strange would be the only useful people on here, mostly thanks to their magic & telepathic abilities most of which DB characters have no real counters too, especially Proff Xs mental abilities that would let him drop a shit load of people like bricks without much trouble.

The others are irrelevant, Hulk, at his strongest can only sink the Eastern sea board of America which is a far cry from Roshi blowing up the moon in the SECOND ARC of the series. Spider-Man's useless too, as are Black Bolt and Quicksilver. They might take some people by surprise but once people figure out how strong they are, they'll get picked off very easily.

Haven't some versions of Spidey beaten the Hulk?

[Gog]

The others are irrelevant, Hulk, at his strongest can only sink the Eastern sea board of America which is a far cry from Roshi blowing up the moon in the SECOND ARC of the series. Spider-Man's useless too, as are Black Bolt and Quicksilver. They might take some people by surprise but once people figure out how strong they are, they'll get picked off very easily.

You're selling Hulk way too short. Considering that in recent issues he was capable of not being instantly crushed to death when he was pierced by a spear that weighed as much as a star. And heck considering that Marvel is essentially one big time line that means what he was capable in earlier issues should apply too, so lighting up the entirety of a dark dimension with a single clap, overpowering the gravitational pull of a star, etc. And hell if he goes World Breaker in the ToP he'll badly ruin it, and probably push off a majority of the fighters in a single go. Before he gets taken out by Jiren.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The others are irrelevant, Hulk, at his strongest can only sink the Eastern sea board of America which is a far cry from Roshi blowing up the moon in the SECOND ARC of the series. Spider-Man's useless too, as are Black Bolt and Quicksilver. They might take some people by surprise but once people figure out how strong they are, they'll get picked off very easily.

You're selling Hulk way too short. Considering that in recent issues he was capable of not being instantly crushed to death when he was pierced by a spear that weighed as much as a star. And heck considering that Marvel is essentially one big time line that means what he was capable in earlier issues should apply too, so lighting up the entirety of a dark dimension with a single clap, overpowering the gravitational pull of a star, etc. And hell if he goes World Breaker in the ToP he'll badly ruin it, and probably push off a majority of the fighters in a single go. Before he gets taken out by Jiren.

Or he might just break the arena completely and end up causing everyone to fall off at once, resulting in a tie.

...And thus no universes are destroyed. The Hulk just inadvertently saved everyone, just as he so often does!

[RandomGuy96]

I can see Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Doom, Proff X and Doc Strange would be the only useful people on here, mostly thanks to their magic & telepathic abilities most of which DB characters have no real counters too, especially Proff Xs mental abilities that would let him drop a shit load of people like bricks without much trouble.

The others are irrelevant, Hulk, at his strongest can only sink the Eastern sea board of America which is a far cry from Roshi blowing up the moon in the SECOND ARC of the series. Spider-Man's useless too, as are Black Bolt and Quicksilver. They might take some people by surprise but once people figure out how strong they are, they'll get picked off very easily.

Haven't some versions of Spidey beaten the Hulk?

The Hulk is usually not that strong, more in line with his film counterpart than the ridiculous planet-cracking interpretation that only shows up in either very special events or internet VS debates. Officially Hulk is normally a 95-tonner hence why he has trouble with Spider-Man villains like Rhino on occasion, why Spider-Man has beaten him, and why Punisher has beaten him.

Anyway, while I said in the "Justice League in the tournament of power thread" that shit was sufficiently inconsistent that you can just write whatever result you'd think would make a good story, in this case I feel fairly confident in saying that everyone on this list is weaksauce even by Saiyan arc standards. Except for the haxx characters, who are just too slow to matter (not to mention we've seen ki provide defense against telekinesis, mind-reading, and mind-control before, so that's not even a sure thing). Personally, I don't know how somebody could read Marvel Comics and seriously think in good faith that if a casual planet buster came to Earth he wouldn't be considered a borderline unstoppable monster by virtually everybody there. They constantly have epic struggles over much less, and the big gun heroes like Thor and Hulk don't display anything above it, and only really match it sparingly.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'd just like to point out that the Marvel strength classes make no sense, even people like Spider-Man have feats that come out to way more than 100 tons.