rereboy wrote:But apparently not even that makes you realize how off mark you are regarding what you are saying. So accuse me of whatever you like... You'll just continue to be off mark about me, even if you don't realize it, as are most people who resort to that sort of accusations.
As for the rest of what you said regarding the issue, I've already commented why it doesn't make sense. No point in repeating it. You are off mark in that also.
It kinda is, but I didn't meant to offend you. I apologize if you took that way.
About being off mark, I can give you that about the said accusations, but not the subject of this whole discussion as I stand with my point of view regarding #16's attitude.
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Some say that #17 was being a jerk here...and he kind of was. But I'm not sure he thought of the fact that there might be people inside. He might've just thought Goku was trying to get out of the fight by going to "a deserted area".
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
Fionordequester wrote:Some say that #17 was being a jerk here...and he kind of was. But I'm not sure he thought of the fact that there might be people inside. He might've just thought Goku was trying to get out of the fight by going to "a deserted area".
Marco Polo wrote:Why would he care if there are people inside?
Well, the whole argument behind Kami not letting the Z Warriors in was on account of these androids MAYBE not being as bad as their alternate timeline counterparts. So, I'm saying that even though this page suggests that Kami was wrong, he also could have just been careless. This page doesn't prove anything one way or the other about whether or not he's actually as bad as the #17 Trunks fought.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
Marco Polo wrote:Why would he care if there are people inside?
Well, the whole argument behind Kami not letting the Z Warriors in was on account of these androids MAYBE not being as bad as their alternate timeline counterparts. So, I'm saying that even though this page suggests that Kami was wrong, he also could have just been careless. This page doesn't prove anything one way or the other about whether or not he's actually as bad as the #17 Trunks fought.
Kami's argument is not that they aren't bad people, just that they aren't "end of the world" bad. Kami doesn't interfere whenever there's a murder or a war or whatever. Every time is because the world is at stake.
Fionordequester wrote:Some say that #17 was being a jerk here...and he kind of was. But I'm not sure he thought of the fact that there might be people inside. He might've just thought Goku was trying to get out of the fight by going to "a deserted area".
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
rereboy wrote:Kami's argument is not that they aren't bad people, just that they aren't "end of the world" bad. Kami doesn't interfere whenever there's a murder or a war or whatever. Every time is because the world is at stake.
Kami's exact quotes were...
You're all overreacting. First, your so-called monster cyborgs only comitted a few minor misdemeanors...[F]rom what I can tell, our universe really is different from [Trunk's].
Far as I can tell, there's a pretty significant jump between "a few minor misdemeanors" to "willing to blow up innocent people". That doesn't make sense unless...
1) Kami was wrong, and these guys needed to be stopped after all
2) Android #17 was just being careless, not thinking about the fact that there could've been people inside.
So what I'm saying is, we don't know which of those two things are true.
Noah wrote:
And how would he know that?
Well, #18 kicked Vegeta's butt pretty easily; and Vegeta told them that he was stronger than Goku. Then Goku and co. spend all this time avoiding them, so...maybe #17 thinks Goku's trying to pull a fast one.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
rereboy wrote:Kami's argument is not that they aren't bad people, just that they aren't "end of the world" bad. Kami doesn't interfere whenever there's a murder or a war or whatever. Every time is because the world is at stake.
Kami's exact quotes were...
You're all overreacting. First, your so-called monster cyborgs only comitted a few minor misdemeanors...[F]rom what I can tell, our universe really is different from [Trunk's].
Far as I can tell, there's a pretty significant jump between "a few minor misdemeanors" to "willing to blow up innocent people". That doesn't make sense unless...
1) Kami was wrong, and these guys needed to be stopped after all
2) Android #17 was just being careless, not thinking about the fact that there could've been people inside.
So what I'm saying is, we don't know which of those two things are true.
You are getting too hung up on the phrasing. In this timeline #17 has killed Gero, and they are trying to kill Goku, which Kami knows, so the classification of misdemeanor for all of their behavior is incorrect, anyway. The point is that even if #17 killed Bulma it would be a simple act of negligent murder, which happens all the time and Kami doesn't do anything about it. What Kami is saying is that he doesn't think these artificial humans will be like the ones in Trunks' time (aka will destroy the world). But there is nothing stopping Kami from being wrong.
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Am i the only one, who thinks SSJ Goku looks like Vegeta in some of panels?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
coola wrote:Am i the only one, who thinks SSJ Goku looks like Vegeta in some of panels?
No, also still stupid that #16 didn't did anything yet, probably a plot device since he could "wipe" everyone and maybe Goku is around #17 level.
Seems like BS to me, Goku should just go Grade 2 and wipe them out.
He probably can't at this point, since Kami was made OOC jerk, and didn't let Goku and others to Chamber
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Noah wrote:
No, also still stupid that #16 didn't did anything yet, probably a plot device since he could "wipe" everyone and maybe Goku is around #17 level.
Seems like BS to me, Goku should just go Grade 2 and wipe them out.
He probably can't at this point, since Kami was made OOC jerk, and didn't let Goku and others to Chamber
He already achieved Grades 2 and 3 in a couple of weeks at most in the time chamber, and it seems he's been training for a while here. He should be able to do it.
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