Bullza wrote:Those are just children fighting other children
The youtube clip that I also linked to (twice) featured a kid fighting grown adults.
GreatSaiyaJeff wrote:It's kind of funny, with Dragonball Evolution, I didn't mind they had Goku going to school. I was thinking just have him be a bubbly kid who loves martial arts and I think it would have been ok. But I think the biggest issue was that they had him be more like Gohan then Goku. Gohan was the one with the doubts.
Making Goku a high school student and not a wild mountain boy, in and of itself, was still absolutely an incredibly pointless, character-undermining alteration that never should have flown whatsoever.
People make it sound as if the ancient cliche of "a wild child who lived his whole life in the wilderness among the animals and had never seen civilization before finally venturing out into the modern world for the first time and geting into fish-out-of-water comedic hijinks" is somehow this incredibly original, outlandishly foreign concept that's NEVER been tackled outside of animation before and is something so utterly alien and unworkable that audiences would somehow have an impossible time accepting it in a live action movie... and that it somehow ISN'T something that's so old hat that practically hundreds of shitty mainstream family comedies of the last 30+ years haven't already ran it thoroughly into the ground.
Lord Beerus wrote:I don't wanna Dragon Ball in live action again. And I don't understand why people are so obsessed with the idea of it, anyway. We have a perfectly good adaption of Toriyama's source material in the anime, not the mention the several animated films, TV specials, OVA's and other animated material.
Like I said before a page back: people are obsessed with it because of the weird sense of "validation" that comes with a geek property they love getting the MCU/Avengers treatment and getting heaped with praise and attention in the mainstream. Like I said earlier, its the nerd equivalent of when a sports fan's favorite team wins the championship that season and they get a sad vicarious thrill out of the fact that "we won!" or whatnot. This exact same principal also applies to most of the people who keep an eagle-eyed watch on sales figures for the franchise and are fixated on whether or not it was the highest grossing in this or that category in any given year.
Most sane, rational people just have no reason to care about any of this shit whatsoever, and they're absolutely right not to.
And yes, the various DB anime material is and should be seen as MORE than plenty enough.
Lord Beerus wrote:They tried to dip their toes into Dragon Ball in a live action setting and it didn't work. Just forget about the whole concept in general and move on.
Once again, I'll repeat: its not that a live action Dragon Ball movie CAN'T work or is even a particularly unique challenge. Both the biggest argument for AND against it is the fact that there's already SO much out there in the Wuxia film landscape that's almost exactly like a live action Dragon Ball as it is, that it both simultaneously proves that its more than do-able AND that doing it at this stage would be fairly pointless and redundant. Just go and watch Zu Warriors or Holy Flame of the Martial World or Storm Riders or A Chinese Tall Story or Kung Fu Hustle or Tai Chi Zero or pretty much anything from the 80s starring Hsiao-Lao Lin (who often played characters that basically WERE kid Goku straight up), and you're pretty much effectively already there.
Hell, note the irony that several years back, FUNimation themselves went through a brief phase where they licensed and released a whole bunch of classic Shaw Bros. Wuxia films on DVD (including Shaolin Prince and both Bastard Swordsman films, to name but a few) that could just as effectively have been marketed as live action companion pieces to Dragon Ball.
Absolutely 1000% agreed though that people need to let it go and move on already.