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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Vegitofaxx » Thu May 21, 2015 5:35 am

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Statutory rapist? You know what, I know exactly who GTx10 is referring to. There's plenty of trustworthy accounts (I've personally heard first hand accounts from people I know and trust) and even video evidence of this person being incredibly gross around underage girls. Even without the statutory rape accusations, this person is an absolutely terrible human being and has a bad attitude, to the point where they have been banned from appearing in several conventions for being a douche to both staff and fans.

I don't think I should be putting this person's name explicitly here, if only because I don't want to be the immediate instigator of needless drama. But trust me, if you have seen a Funi dub or played a Dragon Ball video game in English, you know this person, and there's a truth in what GTx10 is saying.

Know this person or who this person is?

To avoid a big of-topic debate I'll tell you in PM. OK?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Polyphase Avatron » Thu May 21, 2015 9:19 pm

Vegitofaxx wrote:
ABED wrote:
Statutory rapist? You know what, I know exactly who GTx10 is referring to. There's plenty of trustworthy accounts (I've personally heard first hand accounts from people I know and trust) and even video evidence of this person being incredibly gross around underage girls. Even without the statutory rape accusations, this person is an absolutely terrible human being and has a bad attitude, to the point where they have been banned from appearing in several conventions for being a douche to both staff and fans.

I don't think I should be putting this person's name explicitly here, if only because I don't want to be the immediate instigator of needless drama. But trust me, if you have seen a Funi dub or played a Dragon Ball video game in English, you know this person, and there's a truth in what GTx10 is saying.

Know this person or who this person is?

To avoid a big of-topic debate I'll tell you in PM. OK?


Tell me too please.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby DB1984 » Thu May 21, 2015 10:39 pm

Me, too. I want to know who this person is.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Kamiccolo9 » Thu May 21, 2015 10:49 pm

Just to end these posts, the person in question is Vic Mignogna. No idea what the situation itself is, but here's not the place to discuss it.

Now can you all just make a new thread or something, and let this one go back to normal?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Polyphase Avatron » Thu May 21, 2015 11:02 pm

Okay. I think Turles is a better and more interesting character than Broly.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby MarCas92 » Thu May 21, 2015 11:05 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Okay. I think Tullece is a better and more interesting character than Broly.


Really? Is this an unpopular opinion? I think the fanbase is getting to the point where we realized Broly is/was overrated.
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Postby DBZAOTA482 » Thu May 21, 2015 11:08 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Just to end these posts, the person in question is Vic Mignogna. No idea what the situation itself is, but here's not the place to discuss it.

Now can you all just make a new thread or something, and let this one go back to normal?

It's for real?! How bizzare... !!
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Sayo-chan » Thu May 21, 2015 11:20 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Just to end these posts, the person in question is Vic Mignogna. No idea what the situation itself is, but here's not the place to discuss it.

Now can you all just make a new thread or something, and let this one go back to normal?

It's for real?! How bizzare... !!

I think it's fitting for someone that voices someone like Broly.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby voltlunok » Thu May 21, 2015 11:54 pm

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Just to end these posts, the person in question is Vic Mignogna. No idea what the situation itself is, but here's not the place to discuss it.

Now can you all just make a new thread or something, and let this one go back to normal?

It's for real?! How bizzare... !!

I think it's fitting for someone that voices someone like Broly.
http://thetrashiestoftrash.tumblr.com/p ... l-evidence

That entire thing is either A) situations taken out of context to paint Vic Mignogna in a negative light or B) the original writer imposing their personal beliefs upon Mignogna's actions.

His 'solid proof' is shakier than Broly playing pogo stick on thin ice.

I am 100% in agreement with Kamiccolo9, this stuff should either be dropped like a hot rock or make a thread about it but it has no place here.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Kakacarrottop » Fri May 22, 2015 2:47 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Okay. I think Tullece is a better and more interesting character than Broly.

And Tullece himself is just a Raditz rehash who looks like Goku. Just goes to show what a terrible character Broly is.
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Just to end these posts, the person in question is Vic Mignogna. No idea what the situation itself is, but here's not the place to discuss it.

Now can you all just make a new thread or something, and let this one go back to normal?

It's for real?! How bizzare... !!

I think it's fitting for someone that voices someone like Broly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby rereboy » Fri May 22, 2015 5:32 am

MarCas92 wrote:
Really? Is this an unpopular opinion? I think the fanbase is getting to the point where we realized Broly is/was overrated.


I think we are getting to a point where the hate for Broly is overblown and exaggerated.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby TheAldella » Fri May 22, 2015 8:12 am

I actually enjoy watching Broly do things, and adored the art work in his first movie and in second coming.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Akyon » Fri May 22, 2015 9:06 am

rereboy wrote:
MarCas92 wrote:
Really? Is this an unpopular opinion? I think the fanbase is getting to the point where we realized Broly is/was overrated.


I think we are getting to a point where the hate for Broly is overblown and exaggerated.


Whilst I think Broly is kind of lame, I find myself still agreeing with this point.

As a counterpart to Goku he's not THAT bad. As a character he's not even that bad. He's just oversaturated due to the Video games.

I'm sure this probably isn't that unpopular here on Kanzenshuu but it does seem to be everywhere else I see DBZ talk:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby MarCas92 » Sat May 23, 2015 2:03 am

Gohan during The Cell Games is the most out of character moment in the series. I'm sorry Gohan fanboys, but it's true. I understand Gohan not enjoying fighting, that is not the problem here. Even then I still think that point is debatable. But for the sake of argument lets pretend Gohan doesn't like fighting. If you accept that, then you have to accept the reason he fights is because he feels he has too, otherwise he would just stand there. In the Saiyan and Freeza Arc he fought his hardest every time. When he gets the warning about the Androids, he himself states he wants to fight. But he doesn't like fighting right? :problem: Why? Because it's the right thing to do. So why on Earth is he telling Cell "this fighting is pointless". The Earth is at stake and Gohan is the only one who stands a chance. GOHAN KNOWS THIS! Why is he telling Cell his father's plan? Why is he bitching and moaning? Even if he doesn't want to fight there is no other choice. The Earth is at risk of being destroyed by Cell. Does he think he can talk Cell out of it? If that's the case he isn't doing a very good job. Is he trying to scare him? I don't buy that for a second. Gohan is a smart kid, and this was a dumb, dumb moment.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Saiga » Sat May 23, 2015 5:01 am

MarCas92 wrote:Gohan during The Cell Games is the most out of character moment in the series. I'm sorry Gohan fanboys, but it's true. I understand Gohan not enjoying fighting, that is not the problem here. Even then I still think that point is debatable. But for the sake of argument lets pretend Gohan doesn't like fighting. If you accept that, then you have to accept the reason he fights is because he feels he has too, otherwise he would just stand there. In the Saiyan and Freeza Arc he fought his hardest every time. When he gets the warning about the Androids, he himself states he wants to fight. But he doesn't like fighting right? :problem: Why? Because it's the right thing to do. So why on Earth is he telling Cell "this fighting is pointless". The Earth is at stake and Gohan is the only one who stands a chance. GOHAN KNOWS THIS! Why is he telling Cell his father's plan? Why is he bitching and moaning? Even if he doesn't want to fight there is no other choice. The Earth is at risk of being destroyed by Cell. Does he think he can talk Cell out of it? If that's the case he isn't doing a very good job. Is he trying to scare him? I don't buy that for a second. Gohan is a smart kid, and this was a dumb, dumb moment.


You don't need to apologize to Gohan's fans... he's my favourite character and I hated that sequence, because it was definitely out of character for him. I am fine with him not liking fighting, but it was silly seeing himself balk at things he was able to handle at an even younger age.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Akyon » Sat May 23, 2015 5:06 am

MarCas92 wrote:Does he think he can talk Cell out of it?


I always assumed it was this.

After all Vegeta and Piccolo were redeemed, and Cell has the cells of them in him as well as Goku's. Redemption is a big thing in Z, so maybe Gohan was just wrong genre savvy, or perhaps he underestimated how evil Cell really was.

That being said; nearly every character was either out of character or holding the idiot ball during the Cell Saga.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby rereboy » Sat May 23, 2015 6:48 am

Akyon wrote:
MarCas92 wrote:Does he think he can talk Cell out of it?


I always assumed it was this.

After all Vegeta and Piccolo were redeemed, and Cell has the cells of them in him as well as Goku's. Redemption is a big thing in Z, so maybe Gohan was just wrong genre savvy, or perhaps he underestimated how evil Cell really was.

That being said; nearly every character was either out of character or holding the idiot ball during the Cell Saga.


Even that isn't exactly the problem. I would have been fine if Gohan had tried to talk Cell down and after Cell refused, Gohan fought his hardest like in previous sagas. The problem is that he hardly tries to fight before going SSJ2. He only tries to attack twice, both times with standard attacks and one of them even makes Cell fall down and bleed but he doesn't even try follow up the attack once Cell is down. And while his friends and family were being tortured, he just stood there, without attacking Cell or the Cell Jrs.

This is unlike everything he ever did before, where he never hesitated or failed to try once their friends/family were in danger and he never let the superiority of the enemy stop him (for example, Gohan versus Freeza 3rd form to save Piccolo).

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby Hades » Wed May 27, 2015 2:59 am

I really don't fault Funimation for ANY of their decisions made in the early dubs. They were a business that had barely avoided going under a lot of times, and they had never done a proper in-house dub before, combined with pressures to get off the ground quickly.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Postby McDonaldsGuy » Thu May 28, 2015 12:34 pm

Although the Japanese dub has better voice acting and music, Funimation's style of dubbing and music is one of the major reasons it became so popular in the United States. The Japanese music for example may have actually turned off American viewers, especially in the late 90s/early 00s (the Korn, Linkin Park, Marilyn Manson, Limp Bizkit, etc. etc. era). "Cha La Head Cha La" would have probably weirded out 10 year olds in 1999 America, but "Rock the Dragon" got us pumped.

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Postby Baggie_Saiyan » Thu May 28, 2015 12:42 pm

I dunno. I mean as a kid I was more bothered about the actual content rather than the music or openings, main reason I didn't notice FUNI changing from Ocean and then seemingly back to Ocean again in the UK.
Sabat also said himself no matter what they did DBZ would have always been popular and I agree with him based on my own experience.

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