Unpopular DB opinions

[WittyUsername]

I wish they would’ve gotten actual kids to voice the kid characters in the series for the English dub. Getting women to voice male characters is fine for the Japanese version, but for some reason, I just don’t think it works as well in English. Plus, outside of cases like Masako Nozawa (who I admittedly had to warm up to over time), I’m not a fan of the cross dressing voices trope in general. I realize that it’s more convenient to have grown women voice these characters over young boys, but it just makes the whole thing seem kind of phony. It bothers me in the same way that getting a white person to voice a character who’s clearly not supposed to be white bothers me.

[ABED]

I wish they would’ve gotten actual kids to voice the kid characters in the series for the English dub. Getting women to voice male characters is fine for the Japanese version, but for some reason, I just don’t think it works as well in English. Plus, outside of cases like Masako Nozawa (who I admittedly had to warm up to over time), I’m not a fan of the cross dressing voices trope in general. I realize that it’s more convenient to have grown women voice these characters over young boys, but it just makes the whole thing seem kind of phony. It bothers me in the same way that getting a white person to voice a character who’s clearly not supposed to be white bothers me.

It's not merely convenient, it's necessary. Young boys' voices change rapidly. They'd have to get a different kid almost every year.

Does the term cross dress voice come from tvtropes.com?

[WittyUsername]

I wish they would’ve gotten actual kids to voice the kid characters in the series for the English dub. Getting women to voice male characters is fine for the Japanese version, but for some reason, I just don’t think it works as well in English. Plus, outside of cases like Masako Nozawa (who I admittedly had to warm up to over time), I’m not a fan of the cross dressing voices trope in general. I realize that it’s more convenient to have grown women voice these characters over young boys, but it just makes the whole thing seem kind of phony. It bothers me in the same way that getting a white person to voice a character who’s clearly not supposed to be white bothers me.

It's not merely convenient, it's necessary. Young boys' voices change rapidly. They'd have to get a different kid almost every year.

Does the term cross dress voice come from tvtropes.com?

Yes, it does.

Anyway, I don’t see why they’d need to get a different kid every year. Characters like Gohan gradually grow up over the course of the series.

[gokaiblue]

I wish they would’ve gotten actual kids to voice the kid characters in the series for the English dub. Getting women to voice male characters is fine for the Japanese version, but for some reason, I just don’t think it works as well in English. Plus, outside of cases like Masako Nozawa (who I admittedly had to warm up to over time), I’m not a fan of the cross dressing voices trope in general. I realize that it’s more convenient to have grown women voice these characters over young boys, but it just makes the whole thing seem kind of phony. It bothers me in the same way that getting a white person to voice a character who’s clearly not supposed to be white bothers me.

It's not merely convenient, it's necessary. Young boys' voices change rapidly. They'd have to get a different kid almost every year.

Does the term cross dress voice come from tvtropes.com?

Yes, it does.

Anyway, I don’t see why they’d need to get a different kid every year. Characters like Gohan gradually grow up over the course of the series.

Yeah, but how long are characters like Goku, Gohan, and especially Goten kids? Long time. They would have to dub a lot at once.

[ABED]

Yes, it does.

Anyway, I don’t see why they’d need to get a different kid every year. Characters like Gohan gradually grow up over the course of the series.

I don't like that site at all, but I'm splitting hairs.

They would because of how rapidly voices change. Gohan gradually grows up, but little kids change quickly.

[WittyUsername]

Yes, it does.

Anyway, I don’t see why they’d need to get a different kid every year. Characters like Gohan gradually grow up over the course of the series.

I don't like that site at all, but I'm splitting hairs.

They would because of how rapidly voices change. Gohan gradually grows up, but little kids change quickly.

If long running shows like Adventure Time were able to manage with having a kid voicing the main character, I don’t think it’d be a huge deal if they were to have gotten kids to voice kid Goku and Gohan. Goku in particular was already nearly an adolescent by the beginning of the series, so his voice changing over time wouldn’t be a problem.

[ABED]

If long running shows like Adventure Time were able to manage with having a kid voicing the main character, I don’t think it’d be a huge deal if they were to have gotten kids to voice kid Goku and Gohan. Goku in particular was already nearly an adolescent by the beginning of the series, so his voice changing over time wouldn’t be a problem.

We're talking kids' voices dropping nearly an octave in a summer. It's not just the show, it's also all the video games. ReBoot went through like 4 Enzos in as many seasons for that reason. Hell, I recall hearing about a movie where they had to pitch a teenager's voice in post because in the few months between principle photography and pickups, the actor's voice dropped considerably.

[WittyUsername]

If long running shows like Adventure Time were able to manage with having a kid voicing the main character, I don’t think it’d be a huge deal if they were to have gotten kids to voice kid Goku and Gohan. Goku in particular was already nearly an adolescent by the beginning of the series, so his voice changing over time wouldn’t be a problem.

We're talking kids' voices dropping nearly an octave in a summer. It's not just the show, it's also all the video games. ReBoot went through like 4 Enzos in as many seasons for that reason. Hell, I recall hearing about a movie where they had to pitch a teenager's voice in post because in the few months between principle photography and pickups, the actor's voice dropped considerably.

The video games shouldn’t be of any concern. The dub actors have almost never brought in their A-game for those anyway.

[ABED]

If long running shows like Adventure Time were able to manage with having a kid voicing the main character, I don’t think it’d be a huge deal if they were to have gotten kids to voice kid Goku and Gohan. Goku in particular was already nearly an adolescent by the beginning of the series, so his voice changing over time wouldn’t be a problem.

We're talking kids' voices dropping nearly an octave in a summer. It's not just the show, it's also all the video games. ReBoot went through like 4 Enzos in as many seasons for that reason. Hell, I recall hearing about a movie where they had to pitch a teenager's voice in post because in the few months between principle photography and pickups, the actor's voice dropped considerably.

The video games shouldn’t be of any concern. The dub actors have almost never brought in their A-game for those anyway.

It's a simple fact of life that voices change and I'd rather stick with one good actor than change actors every year or two just to keep it "more authentic" when the only counter is Adventure Time had one kid voicing a main character. Would it not have been weird if over the course of the Freeza arc, Gohan's voice suddenly deepened even though the arc only takes place over the course of a few days?

And why don't you think having a woman voice a young boy works in English?

[PFM18]

You are comparing the character at two different points in the story. One after his big arc is complete. The Vegeta we first met wouldn't have even been as civil as he was during the scene at issue.

Wasn't Vegeta supposed to have developed in the SEVEN years since the Cell arc? The idea is that he was living with his wife and his child and he grew attached to them and he loves them, became less selfish etc etc. And yet Vegeta was still a complete asshole to his son during this training sequence and throughout the arc outside of one moment.

That's neither text nor subtext. For one, why would they? And two, he had already been wished back by Earth's DB's before.

Did he or did he not ultimately get revived at the end of the arc? You make it sound like he actually stayed dead. He was revived and there's no way that, to some extent, he didn't see that coming. Maybe he wasn't sure of it, but he probably had an idea that it was atleast moderately likely.

Even if In-Universe Vegeta actually intended this to be his death, the scene doesn't provoke any emotion from the viewer because death is a complete joke in this series. Everybody dies and they always come back one way or another. If Goku was going to come back from the dead after telling everybody he wanted to stay dead, then Vegeta sure as hell was going to come back from the dead and everybody watching knew this. He had just gotten done talking about his strength is the only thing that matters and that he resents his family.

It's in no way random. Everything since Vegeta's first fight with Goku has been building towards his epiphany. He's not giving up on surpassing Goku. At no point does he say he's giving up on surpassing Goku, he's simply grown out of his insecure need to be better than Goku and having everyone know it. Finally admitting it and being okay with it is healthy. He's not giving up, he's letting go of his insecurities.

He didn't explicitly state that he was giving up but that is clearly what he was doing. He admitted Goku was #1; accepting that he wasn't and that he never would be. They show him giving up on surpassing Goku after he had JUST SHOWN HE NEVER GIVES UP AGAINST PURE BUU. The scene makes Vegeta look pathetic and contradictory. He should still focus on surpassing Goku but just not be so petty and childish about it. Instead, he just gives up on doing it altogether which is even worse. Vegeta was a quitter in that scene and that just isn't in his character.

In his speech during the Kid Buu fight, part of his realization is that Goku isn't so good merely because he was fighting to protect his friends and family. If that was the case, then surely that would be so for him since Vegeta came to genuinely care for his family as well. He realized the true source of Goku's strength was to be the best he can be for its own sake. While it's nice that Vegeta gets strength from fighting to protect the people he cares about, that's not what DB is at its core. Vegeta's realization about the true source of Goku's skill goes to the root of the story far better than fighting to protect one's loved one, which is a fairly common idea in many narratives.

I disagree, fighting to protect his loved ones I think is a better development for Vegeta. Especially since Vegeta retained his pride and cockiness even after shifting his priorities to be focused on being strong enough to protect those he cares about. And I thought it was better that this realization actually meant something. It gave him a new transformation and the ability to defeat and be useful for once.


One of the many reasons the Buu Arc is the worst arc of DBZ and easily not even a top 5 arc overall.

[ABED]

He did develop, but that doesn't make him a goody goody. He has trouble expressing his feelings, but considering where he was at in the previous arc, it's progress. Let's not forget that this is the same guy that allows Babidi to brand him for the sake of more power. He's still developing.

You make it sound like he actually stayed dead. He was revived and there's no way that, to some extent, he didn't see that coming.

No I don't. I just don't impose subtext when it's not there.

He didn't explicitly state that he was giving up but that is clearly what he was doing. He admitted Goku was #1; accepting that he wasn't and that he never would be. They show him giving up on surpassing Goku after he had JUST SHOWN HE NEVER GIVES UP AGAINST PURE BUU. The scene makes Vegeta look pathetic and contradictory. He should still focus on surpassing Goku but just not be so petty and childish about it. Instead, he just gives up on doing it altogether which is even worse. Vegeta was a quitter in that scene and that just isn't in his character.

His rivalry isn't with Buu! Goku is the one that drives him. He's just acknowledging Goku being better, nothing more. It's not a contradiction at all. He's letting go of his insecurities. Nothing in his speech implies that he doesn't want to try to surpass Goku, just that he can now acknowledge that Goku is better. He can now do so without it wounding his pride.

I disagree, fighting to protect his loved ones I think is a better development for Vegeta.

He did and he still died. It's not a better development because it doesn't go to the core of his character and what drives him.

[WittyUsername]

We're talking kids' voices dropping nearly an octave in a summer. It's not just the show, it's also all the video games. ReBoot went through like 4 Enzos in as many seasons for that reason. Hell, I recall hearing about a movie where they had to pitch a teenager's voice in post because in the few months between principle photography and pickups, the actor's voice dropped considerably.

The video games shouldn’t be of any concern. The dub actors have almost never brought in their A-game for those anyway.

It's a simple fact of life that voices change and I'd rather stick with one good actor than change actors every year or two just to keep it "more authentic" when the only counter is Adventure Time had one kid voicing a main character. Would it not have been weird if over the course of the Freeza arc, Gohan's voice suddenly deepened even though the arc only takes place over the course of a few days?

And why don't you think having a woman voice a young boy works in English?

Maybe it’s just because English is really the only language I know, so it’s more blatant to me when a woman is voicing a young boy in those kinds of productions. In the cases of Stephanie Nadolny (whose performance I know you’re not fond of anyway), Colleen Clinkenbeard, Kara Edwards, Laura Bailey, etc., it’s painfully obvious that none of their characters are actually being played by anyone other than women. It just takes me out of the experience. Nozawa is usually able to make it work, but I generally don’t like the practice of women voicing young boys or adult men. It just doesn’t feel authentic.

Anyway, wasn’t Gohan voiced by a kid in the German dub?

[jeffbr92]

After watching MistareFusion/GafferTape’s most recent episode of Dragon Ball Dissection, it’s really starting to dawn on me that I don’t care for the retcon of #16 being made in the image of Dr. Gero’s dead son. That would’ve been fine if it was something that was revealed in the series itself, but it’s painfully obvious that it’s just something Toriyama retroactively came up with in order to try and make Dr. Gero seem like a more fleshed out character. FighterZ at least did something kind of interesting with that idea, but that game obviously isn’t canon to the series itself.

It's an interesting idea apart from the fact that sounds something like Toriyama just though after eating his breakfast and dropped out of nowhere, I think it could have been something hinted in the actual series or foreshadowed somehow. I give props to TFS for actually attempting to do some connection.

Anyway, wasn’t Gohan voiced by a kid in the German dub?

No, he was voiced by a a low-pitched man.

[ABED]

It just doesn’t feel authentic.

And having several different voices for the same character wouldn't take you out of it?

Recasting bugs me.

[WittyUsername]

It just doesn’t feel authentic.

And having several different voices for the same character wouldn't take you out of it?

Recasting bugs me.

At the most, I can’t imagine them needing more than two voices for someone like Gohan during the anime proper. Video games are a different story, but most hardcore fans who play the games probably switch to the Japanese voices anyway.

[Lord Frieza]

I think Jiren is great. He's like the 90s Super Hero I never had, flaws and all.

Some of my faviort characters come from the 90s, Doomsday and Onslaught be to key example. Overpowered, edgy, grim, not necaserrly the best written but hella cool.

[WittyUsername]

I think Jiren is great. He's like the 90s Super Hero I never had, flaws and all.

Some of my faviort characters come from the 90s, Doomsday and Onslaught be to key example. Overpowered, edgy, grim, not necaserrly the best written but hella cool.

I personally wanted to like Jiren, but I found it difficult to view him as anything other than a generic badass. It doesn’t help that during the final few episodes of the anime, he became your typical anime edgelord who rants about how friendship is a waste of time, and how might makes right. It’s especially jarring because Dragon Ball has never really struck me as a series that really focuses much on friendship.

I can only hope that the manga doesn’t end up going that route. I like how the manga has so far made him seem genuinely heroic, if somewhat standoffish, and I have no doubt that he’ll have a tragic backstory, but I still want him to be a good guy overall.

[Fionordequester]

My unpopular opinion? I actually prefer Super and Kai 2.0's dub scripts to Kai 1.0's. Accurate or not...there were occasional times where Kai 1.0's script felt just a tad too literal; just a tad too formal (referring to everything Goku says from 1:30-2:00).

[Lord Frieza]

My unpopular opinion? I actually prefer Super and Kai 2.0's dub scripts to Kai 1.0's. Accurate or not...there were occasional times where Kai 1.0's script felt just a tad too literal; just a tad too formal (referring to everything Goku says from 1:30-2:00).

I've only heard bits and pieces, I'm waiting for the DVD so I can binge watch it all, but I've not heard anything too aggreges and I like the dub a lot.

[Ripper 30]

i think sometimes People are way too hard on Writing in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z and nitpick a lot of things. if they critically analyze and nitpick other shows like Naruto, etc. then I hardly see them getting anymore than 6/10.