Unpopular DB opinions

[Gog]

Freeza's four months of training was the best way that they could have made him acheive that power.

[Noah]

Don't start a flame war, please

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Freeza's four months of training was the best way that they could have made him acheive that power.

Even better than 4.5 months of training?

[Gog]

Freeza's four months of training was the best way that they could have made him acheive that power.

Even better than 4.5 months of training?

Yes four months of training is much better than four point five months of training.

[Noah]

I think Bankoku Bikkuri Sho is such a cool technique, it would amuse me if Roshi had the chance to use in the tournament instead of just relying in the good ol' Kamehameha

[Avenant]

I think that Toriyama/Toyotaro have been inspired by Dojinshi for 'Super' and I'm not actually upset with that.

Also, this is my first post in the Kanzenshuu forums!

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think that Toriyama/Toyotaro have been inspired by Dojinshi for 'Super' and I'm not actually upset with that.

Also, this is my first post in the Kanzenshuu forums!

It's very possible, although I doubt Toriyama actually read any fan spin-offs of his own work firsthand. Rather, it's likely that his associates (including Toyotaro), along with the DB Room staff may look at fan material and make suggestions based on that. You have to admit that the whole Zamasu ordeal is a little too similar to Toyble's AF on several fronts, I don't think it's coincidence.

Welcome to the forums!

[TheUltimateNinja]

I think that Toriyama/Toyotaro have been inspired by Dojinshi for 'Super' and I'm not actually upset with that.

Also, this is my first post in the Kanzenshuu forums!

It's very possible, although I doubt Toriyama actually read any fan spin-offs of his own work firsthand. Rather, it's likely that his associates (including Toyotaro), along with the DB Room staff may look at fan material and make suggestions based on that. You have to admit that the whole Zamasu ordeal is a little too similar to Toyble's AF on several fronts, I don't think it's coincidence.

Welcome to the forums!

Toyo is straight up lifting elements from his doujin, there's no coincidence here.

[Avenant]

I think that Toriyama/Toyotaro have been inspired by Dojinshi for 'Super' and I'm not actually upset with that.

Also, this is my first post in the Kanzenshuu forums!

It's very possible, although I doubt Toriyama actually read any fan spin-offs of his own work firsthand. Rather, it's likely that his associates (including Toyotaro), along with the DB Room staff may look at fan material and make suggestions based on that. You have to admit that the whole Zamasu ordeal is a little too similar to Toyble's AF on several fronts, I don't think it's coincidence.

Welcome to the forums!

Thank you! And yes, I particularly think the Zamasu coincidence is glaringly obvious. I wonder if any of them have also read/come across Dragonball-Multiverse?

[MasenkoHA]

I like Fat Buu's dub voice in the Funi dub (that one was really hated, no?) it fit the character just fine for me

The "Your father was an average fighter but he was a BRILLIANT scientist." line doesn't bother me. Maybe because I don't give a crap about Bardock or the special and since Funimation was committed to making Goku anime Superman might as well go all the way and Bardock= Jor El


The Cell saga is my favorite (I didn't even know that was an unpopular opinion until I came here)

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't mind Funimation's Boo, either. I get that it doesn't quite capture the spirit of the original, but it fits the character just fine in its own right.

[kinisking]

I like Fat Buu's dub voice in the Funi dub (that one was really hated, no?) it fit the character just fine for me

The "Your father was an average fighter but he was a BRILLIANT scientist." line doesn't bother me. Maybe because I don't give a crap about Bardock or the special and since Funimation was committed to making Goku anime Superman might as well go all the way and Bardock= Jor El


The Cell saga is my favorite (I didn't even know that was an unpopular opinion until I came here)

I'd say the cell saga is the most popular outside of Kanzenshuu.

[Bansho64]

I'd say the cell saga is the most popular outside of Kanzenshuu.

Yeah, I never really saw people disliking it much, or even hating it, until I came here. It's got a huge following outside of here.

[MasenkoHA]

Ah gotcha. It's kind of like the Faulconer score

[Avenant]

I'd say the cell saga is the most popular outside of Kanzenshuu.

Yeah, I never really saw people disliking it much, or even hating it, until I came here. It's got a huge following outside of here.

As far as story structure goes, The Cell Saga is incredible. It's one of the most complex and satisfying arcs in all of Dragonball and is a near-perfect resolution to the series that Toriyama originally wanted it to be; Goku's past (Red Ribbon) returns to kill him off and his son, Gohan, takes over the mantle along with justice for his father. If Toriyama would have ended the entire series here, it would have been a fitting end for sure, regardless of people wanting to see more or not, simply because of how well it bookends the series.

The Cell/Androids saga is my absolute favorite because of how well developed the characters are, along with the resolve of the plot. My only issue is the dead-end that is Android 16. So many questions and so much lost potential on a great character.

[Kanassa]

As far as story structure goes, The Cell Saga is incredible.

Meh, I wouldn't say incredible can really describe a Saga that's most built on fluff.

[Avenant]

As far as story structure goes, The Cell Saga is incredible.

Meh, I wouldn't say incredible can really describe a Saga that's most built on fluff.

I would respectfully disagree and argue that it's built on revenge and nostalgia. The idea that Goku's former escapades have consequences that come back to haunt him is an age-old formula that works. There were so many twists and turns in the Cell Saga that I was kept interested when I was 13 and still enjoy reading it today. But maybe that's just me!

[Kanassa]

As far as story structure goes, The Cell Saga is incredible.

Meh, I wouldn't say incredible can really describe a Saga that's most built on fluff.

I would respectfully disagree and argue that it's built on revenge and nostalgia. The idea that Goku's former escapades have consequences that come back to haunt him is an age-old formula that works. There were so many twists and turns in the Cell Saga that I was kept interested when I was 13 and still enjoy reading it today. But maybe that's just me!

When I say built on fluff, I mean as in when you really think about it: The majority of the saga was entirely pointless.

[kinisking]

Meh, I wouldn't say incredible can really describe a Saga that's most built on fluff.

I would respectfully disagree and argue that it's built on revenge and nostalgia. The idea that Goku's former escapades have consequences that come back to haunt him is an age-old formula that works. There were so many twists and turns in the Cell Saga that I was kept interested when I was 13 and still enjoy reading it today. But maybe that's just me!

When I say built on fluff, I mean as in when you really think about it: The majority of the saga was entirely pointless.

Which is every saga though. They'res nothing wrong with that. Seeing failure is just as important as seeing success.

[Avenant]

Meh, I wouldn't say incredible can really describe a Saga that's most built on fluff.

I would respectfully disagree and argue that it's built on revenge and nostalgia. The idea that Goku's former escapades have consequences that come back to haunt him is an age-old formula that works. There were so many twists and turns in the Cell Saga that I was kept interested when I was 13 and still enjoy reading it today. But maybe that's just me!

When I say built on fluff, I mean as in when you really think about it: The majority of the saga was entirely pointless.

If you take in to account the Majin Buu Saga and onward, sure, it's pointless. But I look at it as the almost-end of the series that Toriyama wanted it to be. With that, so many things come to pass because of the Cell Saga that it's all worthwhile, in my opinion.

- Piccolo becomes one with Kami, returning to his true form.
- Gohan takes over the mantle after Goku "finally" dies.
- Vegeta finally connects to the Earth through his relationship with Trunks (albeit, it's arguably not developed enough by this point, but he's become a much different person by this time).
- A major villain from the past, Red Ribbon, returns for a major act of revenge and is ultimately destroyed.
- Cell, the ultimate villain genetically composed of all of Goku and company's former foes, puts them to the ultimate test. This is a major one for me, considering Cell's concept is huge in it's envisioning.
- The Cell Games are a huge call back to the Tenkaichi Boudokai that made the series popular.

All of these things made for a perfect series end. The only thing that lessens their value, in my opinion, is the continuation of the series, which wasn't originally intended on Toriyama's part. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Majin Buu saga immensely and am having at least a little fun with Super. But the way I see it, from a writing perspective, is that the Cell Saga was the almost perfect ending to the series.