Unpopular DB opinions

[WittyUsername]

If Dragon Ball did end with the Freeza saga, I don't see why that would mean that they would have to kill off Goku. They could just end the manga with Goku's friends (and Vegeta) being told by Porunga that Goku is still alive, and then have them all awaiting his eventual return.

[The Patrolman]

Super Saiyan Rage is stupid

[mfwlegend3]

Super Saiyan Rage is stupid

That's really not unpopular.

[The Patrolman]

Super Saiyan Rage is stupid

That's really not unpopular.

Not really I have seen people praise this transformation.

[mfwlegend3]

Super Saiyan Rage is stupid

That's really not unpopular.

Not really I have seen people praise this transformation.

And there's also a plethora of people who hated it because of how it didn't make sense, or because of the power scaling.

[KorgDTR2000]

I know an arc isn't defined by its length, I'm not arguing whether the Saiyan arc is an arc or not. I'm arguing whether it's a major arc in the series or not. Considering it's pretty much just a build-up for the arc that comes next and most fans overlook it when talking about Dragon Ball as a whole, I don't consider it one of the major ones, at least not as important as iconic as the three that come after.

The events of the Saiyan arc are so overwhelmingly important that I don't see how it's not a major arc. From top to bottom you have:

- The introduction of Son Gohan
- The revelation that Goku is an alien
- The introduction to Saiyans as a whole
- Goku dying
- The first adventure in the afterlife
- The introduction of Kaio-sama
- The introduction of the Genki Dama and Kaio-ken
- The introduction of Vegeta
- The redemption of Piccolo
- The deaths of Yamcha, Chaozu, Tenshinhan and Piccolo
- The massive, iconic battle between Goku (and Kuririn, Gohan and Yajirobe) and Vegeta

The arc added so much to the mythos that the series that I can't understand how it's not a major arc. For my money it's the major arc. The only reasoning I can think of is it's not followed by a timeskip so it doesn't feel as compartmentalized as the Freeza, Cell and Buu arcs, which are separated by lengthy timeskips.

[ekrolo2]

I've never thought the Cell arc made a particularly good ending to the series for the same reason I've never felt the Freeza arc would work as is. It's such a random downer to leave Goku dead like that. It's also tonally pretty out of sync with the series, and the titular Dragon Balls don't get anywhere near as good a send-off.

Also, poor Kuririn's story feels a little incomplete, just after teasing his budding, but by no means assured, romance.

By the beginning of the Boo arc, we at least have most of the side characters in roles they can settle comfortably into after the window shuts on the series, and the few remaining character arcs (primarily Goku and Vegeta's, though Gohan and Mr. Satan also get arcs internal to the story line) are addressed by its end.

I really like the idea of Goku & Freeza both going down with the ship as a way of showing how their mutual flaws screw them over at the worst moment but with the Namekian Balls on Earth, Toriyama very easily could've ended it at Freeza with a final shot of a revived Goku & Krillin being welcomed back by their friends and family as the conclusion.

[ABED]

I've never thought the Cell arc made a particularly good ending to the series for the same reason I've never felt the Freeza arc would work as is. It's such a random downer to leave Goku dead like that. It's also tonally pretty out of sync with the series, and the titular Dragon Balls don't get anywhere near as good a send-off.

Also, poor Kuririn's story feels a little incomplete, just after teasing his budding, but by no means assured, romance.

By the beginning of the Boo arc, we at least have most of the side characters in roles they can settle comfortably into after the window shuts on the series, and the few remaining character arcs (primarily Goku and Vegeta's, though Gohan and Mr. Satan also get arcs internal to the story line) are addressed by its end.

I really like the idea of Goku & Freeza both going down with the ship as a way of showing how their mutual flaws screw them over at the worst moment but with the Namekian Balls on Earth, Toriyama very easily could've ended it at Freeza with a final shot of a revived Goku & Krillin being welcomed back by their friends and family as the conclusion.

But it's not the sort of story where Goku is condemned for being a battle maniac and wishing back Goku after defeating Freeza but dying feels too easy. It makes his death pointless.

[Doctor.]

But it's not the sort of story where Goku is condemned for being a battle maniac

What story have you been watching? That's the main point of the Cell arc.

[jeffbr92]

Beerus cleaning Freeza's clock was the worst retcon in the entire franchise. It essentially destroys Freeza's entire belief as the strongest in the universe. It also makes him seem like the greatest moron in existence for not training so that he could surpass him. Rather, instead choosing to continue on as normal. It also breaks the fact that Freeza has never actually transformed past his third form against any threat.

Heck, Freeza should never have known about Beerus in the first place.

Sorry, English is not my first language but what you mean by "cleaning Freeza's clock"?

[ABED]

But it's not the sort of story where Goku is condemned for being a battle maniac

What story have you been watching? That's the main point of the Cell arc.

The same one you have. He's not condemned at all for it. It's neither implicit or explicit. THere was no main point to the Cell arc beyond Toriyama telling an exciting story for his readers.

Sorry, English is not my first language but what you mean by "cleaning Freeza's clock"?

It's a figure of speech. When you clean someone's clock, it means you beat them up.

[Gog]

Beerus cleaning Freeza's clock was the worst retcon in the entire franchise. It essentially destroys Freeza's entire belief as the strongest in the universe. It also makes him seem like the greatest moron in existence for not training so that he could surpass him. Rather, instead choosing to continue on as normal. It also breaks the fact that Freeza has never actually transformed past his third form against any threat.

Heck, Freeza should never have known about Beerus in the first place.

Sorry, English is not my first language but what you mean by "cleaning Freeza's clock"?

Alright then, Cleaning Someone's Clock is a term that means someone has beaten someone up, badly.

[Ripper 30]

I think it's just me but I find the Dubs of Dragon Ball Series to be Extremely Overrated compared to other anime dubs and seeing how the anime fans Criticize the other Anime dubs because they mispronounced some Japanese word but when it comes to DB dubs then it's no big deal when pronouncing "Kaiō Ken" as "Keyo ken" or "Hell's Flash" as "Blasters Fire", even though From Kai onwards the Dubs have Improved, still I think there are many miscasting in the English Voices like Kaiō Dub Voice, Yamcha Voice or even Majin Boo Voice for Fat Version and many more.also,they still don't pronounce "Saiyan" the right way and use Mistranslated Dub Terms to appeal to the old Dub Audience, if any other anime dub had did it this today then these sub elitists would start bashing it but with DB Dubs it's okay for them, also I hate the Dub terms in the Crunchyroll Subtitles of Dragon Ball Super Episodes and seeing "King Kai Fist" or "Evil Containment Wave" really bothers me I mean what's the point of subtitles if they still use dub terms? ,aren't Subtitles supposed to translate the sentence properly? .
This is why I think FUNimation really Divided the fanbase by their Americanizing of the show in early 2000's but it's impact is still noticable till now

[SuperSalt]

Well, here's my (probably) most unpopular opinion: I really, really can't stand DBZ. I've tried watching it, I really have, but it is just so.. I don't know, bad. The pacing, the fillers. I stuck to the manga when I was kid, and still do. Kai is in my opinion by far the better choice (I should note that I've only watched up until Cell saga, I've heard a lot of complaints about the Buu saga. Guess I'll see).

I understand that the fillers and the slow pacing was partly because of the manga not being finished, but still. It's unwatchable imo.

[ABED]

I understand that the fillers and the slow pacing was partly because of the manga not being finished, but still. It's unwatchable imo.

Sure, and I get that many people don't care what the behind the scenes reasons are. They just care about the end product.

[SuperSalt]

Sure, and I get that many people don't care what the behind the scenes reasons are. They just care about the end product.

Yeah I see your point, and I might have stretched it by calling it unwatchable. I suppose they did what they could given the circumstances, and I think I probably should give it another try. I've never watched DBZ past the Frieza fight. When they got to the Namek saga in my country, that's approx. when I started on the manga. As we only got 1 episode of DBZ pr week, I quickly got past the TV-show. And as I read further ahead, DBZ just stopped being appealing to me.

The end product is what it is; a classic with flaws. For me, the flaws were just too much. But again, I should binge-rewatch it to form a new opinion on it.

[Ripper 30]

Sure, and I get that many people don't care what the behind the scenes reasons are. They just care about the end product.

Yeah I see your point, and I might have stretched it by calling it unwatchable. I suppose they did what they could given the circumstances, and I think I probably should give it another try. I've never watched DBZ past the Frieza fight. When they got to the Namek saga in my country, that's approx. when I started on the manga. As we only got 1 episode of DBZ pr week, I quickly got past the TV-show. And as I read further ahead, DBZ just stopped being appealing to me.

The end product is what it is; a classic with flaws. For me, the flaws were just too much. But again, I should binge-rewatch it to form a new opinion on it.

In my country it used to Air 2 Episides daily so that's how I completed watching Boo Arc and if one watches it on TV it's not that unwatchable compared to binge watching it online

[SuperSalt]

In my country it used to Air 2 Episides daily so that's how I completed watching Boo Arc and if one watches it on TV it's not that unwatchable compared to binge watching it online

Yeah if I'd had 2 episodes daily, I probably wouldn't have come to dislike DBZ as much. But 1 episode pr week, 20 minutes long. And Frieza fight is what, 4 hours or something like that? That's 3 months, for one fight. It shouldn't take that long, not by a long shot, which is why I think that binge watching it is the way to go; for me at least.

I really hope that it's not as boring as I remember, it's been quite a while since I tried watching it.

[King-K9]

Dragon ball should never be crossed over with other franchises. Whenever this happens, either the Dragon ball characters are nerfed to the point of nearly being an insult to the series, or the other characters get powered up to the point where they don't even feel like themselves anymore.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Super Saiyan Rage is stupid

In what way, how it happened? The way it happened? The design? The lack of formal explanation within the series? I am personally indifferent on the form.