It can, but has it?Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:The franchise can live and retain its soul without Toriyama and Nozawa and I dare say be even better than it was in its prime.
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The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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I've always disliked Goku's food gag and how much it kept on repeatedly showing up in Early Dragon Ball. Thankfully, it eventually disappeared around The Red Ribbon Army arc.
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It obviously could, but I don't think it would. That said, I don't think it will retain its identity with them, either.Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:The franchise can live and retain its soul without Toriyama and Nozawa and I dare say be even better than it was in its prime.
I think it's arguable, but I'd say no. The stories' are much simpler, with far less interesting padding than before (And honestly, the ratio of padding in a story is akin to what we had in Z, though most won't admit it). The characters are static, but not in the same place as where we left off. There's far more focus on comedy, but I don't think the jokes land like they used to. It's basically "Sequel, the Series". However, my framing is also 100% biased, my overall opinion of the new material may be a bit tainted at the moment due to how I feel about the progress of the current arc, so don't take my word. You'll find out for yourself once you watch for a while, which probably won't be long, assuming the home releases of Super are fairly frequent. If you bought the manga, and I recommend you do if you haven't, you'll have a partial grip on how things are.ABED wrote:It can, but has it?
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I love them. It's like Joey Tribbiani's love of food. Those jokes never got old.Gog wrote:I've always disliked Goku's food gag and how much it kept on repeatedly showing up in Early Dragon Ball. Thankfully, it eventually disappeared around The Red Ribbon Army arc.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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I love them too! Its not really meant to be funny, its just an odd quirk of Goku, but I love it.
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I love the idea of the Red Ribbon arc more than I do the reality.Gog wrote:Out of all of the arcs in Early Dragon Ball the Red Ribbon army arc is the worst out of the lot. I'd dare say it gets painfully dull in certain moments.
Colonel Silver seems cool but of course he's taken out immediately. General White seems cool with his arctic army but for some reason the entire battle takes place inside a tower. General Blue (shouldn't he be an Admiral?) is a cool idea and it actually comes the closest to fulfilling what I'd imagine but it just draaags and there is never a satisfying payoff between him and Goku. Captain Yellow is neat but he's taken out immediately. And Taopaipai isn't even part of the army.
Had the story actually been Goku the one-man-army going to war with an actual army across several divisions and branches it would have been sweet. Fighting Colonel Silver out in the desert, fighting General White's arctic forces in the icy mountains, fighting General Blue's navy on the high seas, fighting Captain Yellow's airforce, and other kinds of enemies. I don't think Goku even goes up against a single tank, which is the exact sort of thing I imagined when I heard about the fabled Red Ribbon Army as a kid. The only part that really pays off is when he storms their headquarters and fights the soldiers head-on. That's one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. But everything leading up to it is disappointing, and really feels like Toriyama at his laziest and least focused. And I never liked that he still had to get one more Dragon Ball after annihilating them.
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I do think Toriyama meant that quirk to be funny.Cure Dragon 255 wrote:I love them too! Its not really meant to be funny, its just an odd quirk of Goku, but I love it.
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Wakamoto's Cell performance in Dragon Ball Z is the best in the entire franchise from a pure acting standpoint. The more I listen to his voice, the more I love it.
Nakao and Nozawa are second, not first anymore as they were before for me.
Nakao and Nozawa are second, not first anymore as they were before for me.
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Red Ribbon was actually good until we got into all this BS with General Blue. Tao Pai Pai was the high point, although the ending of the actual arc was very anti climactic... Not counting Baba's Tournament of course.
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Great Saiyaman arc and character are a great part of DBZ. It's the lightest part of the story, and I like that it doesn't take itself too seriously and it's not all about power levels. I also like the path the Gohan went down, the Great Saiyaman arc being one of my favorites.
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I always thought Blue was the best part of the Red Ribbon Arc, unlike every other enemy in the arc (Aside from Taao, of course), he actually put up a decent fight and was a very entertaining character overall.Big Green The Yoshi wrote:Red Ribbon was actually good until we got into all this BS with General Blue.
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For me, he did wear out his welcome rather quickly. He was a one-note character, and keeping him around for so long was the worst mistake of the arc in my opinion.Kanassa wrote:I always thought Blue was the best part of the Red Ribbon Arc, unlike every other enemy in the arc (Aside from Taao, of course), he actually put up a decent fight and was a very entertaining character overall.Big Green The Yoshi wrote:Red Ribbon was actually good until we got into all this BS with General Blue.
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I have a hard time choosing a favorite performance in Japanese Z. They're so good.Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Wakamoto's Cell performance in Dragon Ball Z is the best in the entire franchise from a pure acting standpoint. The more I listen to his voice, the more I love it.
Nakao and Nozawa are second, not first anymore as they were before for me.
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For me the top three would be:8000 Saiyan wrote:I have a hard time choosing a favorite performance in Japanese Z. They're so good.Saikyo no Senshi wrote:Wakamoto's Cell performance in Dragon Ball Z is the best in the entire franchise from a pure acting standpoint. The more I listen to his voice, the more I love it.
Nakao and Nozawa are second, not first anymore as they were before for me.
1. Nozawa
2. Nakao
3. Yanami
In that order.
Wakamoto is up there though, particular for those Kame Hame Ha scenes.
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they weren't meant to be funny actuallyGog wrote:I've always disliked Goku's food gag and how much it kept on repeatedly showing up in Early Dragon Ball. Thankfully, it eventually disappeared around The Red Ribbon Army arc.
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while i do like his personality and his voice , i think that Cell is the worst villain in the entire franchise
he just doesn't have any motivation
he just doesn't have any motivation
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He basically has the same motivation of any Saiyan or Freeza, being a clone of them all makes sense. Had Cell defeated Gohan or blown up the Earth, he obviously would have started traveling through space to find new worlds to conquer or get stronger.Hyena_Yamcha wrote:while i do like his personality and his voice , i think that Cell is the worst villain in the entire franchise
he just doesn't have any motivation
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His motivation before becoming perfect was to become perfect. Afterwards, he just wants to have fun, same as the Androids. The only difference is in what entertains him, which seems to be a combination of cruelty and fighting strong opponents. So basically, exactly what you'd expect. Whether or not that's interesting is a different question, I think he's uninteresting, but since Goku and Gohan carried the arc post-RoSaT, and they were interesting, it worked.Hyena_Yamcha wrote:while i do like his personality and his voice , i think that Cell is the worst villain in the entire franchise
he just doesn't have any motivation
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The only thing that I dislike about the Red Ribbon arc is how Goku defeat then so easily and by himself. The perfect finale of this arc would be all the gang together in this
task, I can see all of them being useful on this, not just Goku.
task, I can see all of them being useful on this, not just Goku.