Inconsistencies created by filler

[Kid Buu]

King Kai shouldn't have his planet back in BoG either.

[RandomGuy96]

Also, BOG isn't canon. One, there is no canon. Two, BOG has just as many errors as other "unworkable" movies, like Movies 6 and 7.

Not really other then Mr. Satan not knowing who Dende is. Bluma most likely made up her age to make herself feel much younger. BOG takes place after the Buu saga, so it can fit easily while Movie 6 and 7 can not.

No, it really can't. To name a few issues: Mr. Satan doesn't know Dende, Gohan can somehow go Super Saiyan when the series was rather explicit that he couldn't anymore, Goku supposedly kept the godly power which fucks up the whole ending of the manga, Vegeta gets a rage boost that makes him over four times stronger when he never could get rage boosts in the manga, and Goten and Trunks don't change appearances when going from 8 to 13 (Gohan did, why not them?). If anything, they get smaller!

[Polyphase Avatron]

BoG has a lot better claim to canonicity than GT does. For one thing, it was written by Toriyama.

[Marco Polo]

Canonicity and errors are not the same concept. Something can be canon and have errors. Something can have no error and not be canon.

That said, RandomGuy96 is correct in saying that there's no DB canon anyway.

[DBZAOTA482]

1. Gohan transforms into oozaru just by seeing a fake moon projected into the sky by Goku's old Sayain spaceship even though it's later said it was the amount of zenos that the blutz waves of the moon aluminates.

2. Dr. Briefs being able to make capsule corp ship with Goku's old sayain ship as a base despite Piccolo completely destroying it with a Makankōsappō.

3. Vegeta's reaction to the Goku (and Freeza)'s potential death on Namek. He is shown being happy at the prospect because it would make him #1 by default, and talks about using the dragon balls to rule the universe then he provokes Gohan and they getting into a little fight which he ends up winning and flies off yet at the episode after it he is back shown under the trees for no apparent reason and actually helps the others out in reviving Goku (though for his own endeavors), and is shown being unsatisfied with not actually proving his strength to Gohan.

4. The entirety of the anime-only portion of the story (Garlic Jr. Saga) is built upon a plothole caused by the movie it was based on.

5. Goku's flashback showing how he escapes Planet Namek contradicts what was depicted earlier of Goku's attempt to escape Planet Namek where he was clearly shown fleeing from Freeza's spaceship and flying around hopelessly as Namek is about to explode. The manga never really shows the demise of Namek or any flashbacks.

6. Goku has a nightmare of the Jizoningen killing off his friends and families as they attempt to protect him despite never have met them prior.

7. Gohan has a nightmare of Cell killing off his mother and mentor despite never have met him prior (he even claims to having trouble imagining him because of this).

8. Piccolo, Tenhshinhan, and Yamcha being able to trade blow for blow with the Cell Jr.'s for a brief moment even though Vegeta and Trunks were both stated and shown (later on) being the only ones to fight evenly with them (but just barely).

9. The villains having their bodies while in hell even though it was stated earlier that normal or bad people are turned into spirits to have their souls cleansed when they die.

[Zephyr]

No, it really can't. To name a few issues: Mr. Satan doesn't know Dende, Gohan can somehow go Super Saiyan when the series was rather explicit that he couldn't anymore, Goku supposedly kept the godly power which fucks up the whole ending of the manga, Vegeta gets a rage boost that makes him over four times stronger when he never could get rage boosts in the manga, and Goten and Trunks don't change appearances when going from 8 to 13 (Gohan did, why not them?). If anything, they get smaller!

Yeah, as it stands, on the surface, BoG doesn't really fit into the continuity established by the original manga. The Kanzenban ending has similar trouble on a smaller scale. But the fact that they seem to conflict with the the manga doesn't mean that they aren't trying to retcon it.

But if we assume that there's no attempt at retconning the end of the manga, Vegeta's comment at the end there and most of these issues created by BoG can be pretty easily reconciled. How they do is really more in-universe territory, so not technically relevant to the thread, but I'll speak on Vegeta's rage boost here real quick. Isn't Roshi the only one saying that Vegeta was stronger than Goku? Do we know he had SSj3 Goku in mind when comparing him to SSj2 Vegeta? Should we trust his judgment anyway? He's like an ant to both of them in the first place, how adept could he really be at sensing the differences in two powers that are beyond dwarfing him? Martial arts master status aside, he's no deity.

[Hellspawn28]

Tenhshinhan and the other humans were able to beat the Ginyu Force when Vegeta had trouble beating Recome and he's much stronger then them. You also have Mr. Popo holding off SSj Goten and SSj Trunks.

[dbgtFO]

, but I'll speak on Vegeta's rage boost here real quick. Isn't Roshi the only one saying that Vegeta was stronger than Goku? Do we know he had SSj3 Goku in mind when comparing him to SSj2 Vegeta? Should we trust his judgment anyway? He's like an ant to both of them in the first place, how adept could he really be at sensing the differences in two powers that are beyond dwarfing him? Martial arts master status aside, he's no deity.

Goku said it too.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Mr. Satan doesn't know Dende

Plot hole that doesn't affect the plot. Remove the scene, and nothing changes.

Gohan can somehow go Super Saiyan when the series was rather explicit that he couldn't anymore

It wasn't, quite the opposite I would say. After the power-up, Gohan's hairstyle changes when he is fighting and when he is not fighting, which implies that base & Ultimate are two different states. BoG confirms that Gohan can either turn Super Saiyan (and by extension, into Super Saiyan 2 and get a rage boost) or power-up to Ultimate, like Goku can either turn from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan Grade 2 (and Super Saiyan Grade 3) or turn Super Saiyan 2 (and Super Saiyan 3).

Goku supposedly kept the godly power which fucks up the whole ending of the manga

Goku was almost KOed, and when he recovered, he activated a blue aura first, and then turned Super Saiyan God. This could mean that Goku has to power-up to access the god powers, and Goku shouldn't want to use them on Oob because a)he would literally beat him with his finger, and b)the whole point of his match with Oob was to test himself and see if he really got stronger than Boo as a SS3. So, Goku can now either power-up to God base (and then turn Super Saiyan and/or Super Saiyan God), or normally turn Super Saiyan (and beyond).

Vegeta gets a rage boost that makes him over four times stronger when he never could get rage boosts in the manga

According to what Goku said, Vegeta's "rage boost" was Vegeta using all of his power all at once because he forcibly tried to get stronger by powering up, which made his power run out in a few seconds. It didn't come from his dormant power like with Gohan, and it's not even similar to Gohan's rage boosts, since Gohan never run out of energy. So, it's just a new thing that Vegeta accomplished by accident, not a plot-hole.

Goten and Trunks don't change appearances when going from 8 to 13 (Gohan did, why not them?). If anything, they get smaller!

Goten & Trunks are 11 & 12 respectively, and the reason they look smaller is probably because the Saiyan cells fuck up their development (but not to the same extent as Goku). Even Gohan's height isn't very different from Namek arc to Cell arc.

Other errors are the ages of Bulma & Mai (which also don't affect the plot, even if you change the numbers), Kaio's Planet not being destroyed (which can be explained, for example, Goku wished it back with the DBs since he was responsible for its destruction), and Shenlong granting 1 wish instead of 3 (which can also be explained, for example, Dende modified them when he saw that the Pilaf Gang was gathering them to prevent them from having 3 evil wishes, and didn't care for their wish to get younger).


The plot-holes in BoG are either easily explainable, or insignificant. They are less serious than other plot-holes in the manga, like the DBs being active after 8 months instead of 1 year. However, the other movies (minus DBZ Movies 1, 5, and 13, as well as the EoB & JSAT specials) literally can't even happen in the main story (yes, M1 has the plot hole with the whole gang knowing about Gohan, but the movie does fit in the timeline, and the anime even inserts it to the continuity by giving it a sequel story arc). BoG does fit to the main story, and it is even part of the official timeline of the anime (plus implications that it takes place in the manga story, both from the staff & from the movie itself by not having Gregory).

[RandomGuy96]

Plot hole that doesn't affect the plot. Remove the scene, and nothing changes.

So? It's still there.

It wasn't, quite the opposite I would say. After the power-up, Gohan's hairstyle changes when he is fighting and when he is not fighting, which implies that base & Ultimate are two different states. BoG confirms that Gohan can either turn Super Saiyan (and by extension, into Super Saiyan 2 and get a rage boost) or power-up to Ultimate, like Goku can either turn from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan Grade 2 (and Super Saiyan Grade 3) or turn Super Saiyan 2 (and Super Saiyan 3).

Old Kai told Gohan to go Super Saiyan. He tried and went Ultimate instead. How much more simple can it get?

Goku was almost KOed, and when he recovered, he activated a blue aura first, and then turned Super Saiyan God. This could mean that Goku has to power-up to access the god powers, and Goku shouldn't want to use them on Oob because a)he would literally beat him with his finger, and b)the whole point of his match with Oob was to test himself and see if he really got stronger than Boo as a SS3. So, Goku can now either power-up to God base (and then turn Super Saiyan and/or Super Saiyan God), or normally turn Super Saiyan (and beyond).

The fact that you even have to make up all of that (because none of it is ever stated or implied) means there's a rather big plot hole. The film gave no indication that he can just choose not to use his god powers.

According to what Goku said, Vegeta's "rage boost" was Vegeta using all of his power all at once because he forcibly tried to get stronger by powering up, which made his power run out in a few seconds. It didn't come from his dormant power like with Gohan, and it's not even similar to Gohan's rage boosts, since Gohan never run out of energy. So, it's just a new thing that Vegeta accomplished by accident, not a plot-hole.

When has anyone EVER done something like that? That would be tremendously useful at several points, yet nowhere in the manga is it even implied to be possible. Whenever someone used up all of their power, it was just from performing one big blast, not randomly becoming waaaaaay stronger.

Goten & Trunks are 11 & 12 respectively, and the reason they look smaller is probably because the Saiyan cells fuck up their development (but not to the same extent as Goku). Even Gohan's height isn't very different from Namek arc to Cell arc.

Isn't BOG set five years after Buu? That would make them 12 and 13. Gohan still had a distinct different look when he was 8 and when he was 13.

Other errors are the ages of Bulma & Mai (which also don't affect the plot, even if you change the numbers), Kaio's Planet not being destroyed (which can be explained, for example, Goku wished it back with the DBs since he was responsible for its destruction), and Shenlong granting 1 wish instead of 3 (which can also be explained, for example, Dende modified them when he saw that the Pilaf Gang was gathering them to prevent them from having 3 evil wishes, and didn't care for their wish to get younger).

Is Bulma's age an error? I thought it was an intentional joke. And what does it matter if it doesn't effect the plot? If you change some scenes around that don't effect the plot, many of the movies could fit. Yet, those scenes are still there, so they don't. Kaio's planet and Shenlong's wish count are just more errors.

The plot-holes in BoG are either easily explainable, or insignificant. They are less serious than other plot-holes in the manga, like the DBs being active after 8 months instead of 1 year. However, the other movies (minus DBZ Movies 1, 5, and 13, as well as the EoB & JSAT specials) literally can't even happen in the main story (yes, M1 has the plot hole with the whole gang knowing about Gohan, but the movie does fit in the timeline, and the anime even inserts it to the continuity by giving it a sequel story arc). BoG does fit to the main story, and it is even part of the official timeline of the anime (plus implications that it takes place in the manga story, both from the staff & from the movie itself by not having Gregory).

Movie 14 has more errors than Movie 1, or Movie 8, or Movie 10, yet I don't see anyone trying to cram all of those into the continuity. Those movies only require you to ignore one or two errors each, while Movie 14 requires you to ignore several. Seems like a double standard. EoB also doesn't fit due to the plothole of the Supernova somehow sending Bardock back in time, and numerous guidebooks and such listing that as Bardock's death.

Also, you forgot Movie 9. Pretty sure it just has one error (Gohan saying he hasn't seen his father since the Cell Games in the Buu arc).

[Saiga]

Bulma's age seems much more like an error to me - it's treated like she didn't intend to reveal her age, not that she lied. She does blurt it out when angry, and Kuririn replies "oh, so that's how old she is" or something, when before she refuses to say. So yeah, the lying/joke argument doesn't make sense to me, it's definitely portrayed as her real age.

[RandomGuy96]

Oh. Well, add that to the error pile.

[Zephyr]

, but I'll speak on Vegeta's rage boost here real quick. Isn't Roshi the only one saying that Vegeta was stronger than Goku?

Goku said it too.

Fair enough then.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So? It's still there.

My point is that it doesn't affect the plot, I'm not saying to make changes in you head. By your logic, the Cell arc can't be "canon" because Trunks says that #19 & #20 were the Artificial Humans of the past, while we later learn that they're #17 & #18, because Cell says that Future Trunks killed Freeza & Cold in his timeline, while we know that Goku killed them, and because the Time Machine was originally stated to require 6 months to charge, but later it required 3 years. Boo arc also can't be canon because Goku (Saiyan arc) is faster than Gohan (Boo arc), Kuririn & Kame-sennin (21st TB arc) are also faster that Goten & Trunks (Boo arc), and because S. Kaioshin is first implied to be weaker than SS Gohan, but later implied to be stronger than Pure Boo. Forget all these actually, the Red Ribbon Army can't be "canon" because the Dragon Balls are activated after 8 months instead of 1 year, which make everything after that "non-canon". There are probably more plot-holes in the manga, but these came to my mind.

Old Kai told Gohan to go Super Saiyan. He tried and went Ultimate instead. How much more simple can it get?

No, he told him to turn Super Saiyan and throw in a kiai.

The fact that you even have to make up all of that (because none of it is ever stated or implied) means there's a rather big plot hole. The film gave no indication that he can just choose not to use his god powers.

How is none of this stated or implied? Goku first activates a blue aura and then goes Super Saiyan God. Sure, the blue aura could be part of the transformation, but not necessarily.
As for the fight with Oob, he literally said Boo "come back as a good guy so that I can train & beat you next time". Super Saiyan God didn't come from his training, so using it on Oob would be pointless.

Isn't BOG set five years after Buu? That would make them 12 and 13. Gohan still had a distinct different look when he was 8 and when he was 13.

It is set 4 years after Boo arc from what I recall. Either way, Gohan from age 5 to age 11 isn't extremely different (Kuririn is taller than him in both cases, but not by much):

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Movie 14 has more errors than Movie 1, or Movie 8, or Movie 10, yet I don't see anyone trying to cram all of those into the continuity.

BoG has errors, but it still has room to take place. The other movies can't take place at all. DB Movies 1-3 & 10th Anniversary are retellings of previous arcs: they have Gurumes' Kingdom/RRA as main villains when Goku & Bulma meet instead of Pilaf, they have Kame-sennin sending Goku & Kuririn to find the Sleeping Princess instead of a hot girl to train them, and they have the Mifan Empire Tournament instead of the 21st TB along with other things. DBZ Movies 2-4 can only happen after Goku's return from Yardrat, but it's impossible because the Z-Senshi are much weaker than that point. Movie 6 has Dende as Kami of Earth, while Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan haven't entered inside the RoSaT, and Trunks is nowhere. Movie 7 has Goku, Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan without having entered inside the RoSaT, but the Artificial Humans are nowhere (minus the new ones). Movie 8 & PtEtSS have the Saiyans after the RoSaT, but Cell is nowhere, and no one is stressed from the Cell Games. Movie 10 takes place before the 25th TB, yet Videl knows about the Dragon Balls & Super Saiyans. Movie 11 takes after the 25th TB and the world is peaceful, but Goku is still dead. Movie 12 has Goten & Trunks knowing Fusion, the world in peace, but Goku & Vegeta are still dead.
Plus, BoG is advertised as a new chapter of the official history (whatever that means) and not a spin-off or a side story (like the other movies & GT are called), and because Toriyama is heavily involved (character designs & story are all his).

EoB also doesn't fit due to the plothole of the Supernova somehow sending Bardock back in time

How is an intentional plot device a plot hole? Huge explosions opening time rifts is very common in fiction. And it's the planet's explosion that sent him back, not Freeza's blast. He wasn't even hit by it.

numerous guidebooks and such listing that as Bardock's death.

Of course, since EoB wasn't released yet. The recent Chozenshuu though state that Bardock didn't die, as we see in EoB.

Also, you forgot Movie 9. Pretty sure it just has one error (Gohan saying he hasn't seen his father since the Cell Games in the Buu arc).

Yeah, my bad.

[Zephyr]

For Goten and Trunks' lack of height change...just because Gohan may have grown by X age doesn't mean Goten and Trunks would have. They're different people, different people can grow at different rates.

[DBZAOTA482]

For Goten and Trunks' lack of height change...just because Gohan may have grown by X age doesn't mean Goten and Trunks would have. They're different people, different people can grow at different rates.

Yeah, Goten and Trunks are hardly taller than Videl at the EOZ and GT.

[Duo]

The Goten/Trunks issue always lined up with how I viewed Saiyans aging before. Goku was 15 when he beat Piccolo Daimao, for goodness' sake. Gohan was almost equally tiny when he fought Cell, to boot.

[Hellspawn28]

It was never stated that Gohan can't go SSj after turning mystic anyways. Another one created by filler is that the whole world knew about Nappa and Vegeta, but no one seem to recognize Vegeta during the Cell Games or the 25th Tenkachi Budokai. Won't people point out saying "Hey he looks like the same evil Alien invader from a few years back! Why he is helping to save the Earth then destroy it like Cell?!".

[TheGmGoken]

" I know that Freeza destroyed the Saiyan Race "

Or was that a dub error?

[RandomGuy96]

A lot of the filler fights in the Buu arc create conrtadictions when intertwined with other filler, and occasionally the manga events. Some of it's really obvious, like the anime trying to pass off Pure Buu as the strongest Buu, but some of it is a bit less obvious. For example: SS2 Goku and SS2 Vegeta take on Super Buu inside his body, when all three of them are the same size, and actually put up a pretty good fight. This would suggest he's not much stronger than them; like, if he's a 10, the SS2s are both 8s. This is completely contradictory to Super Buu being a lot stronger than SS3 Goku (even by anime tiny SS3 boost logic) and Buutenks being able to tank him in an earlier filler.