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They probably just cast her because they thought she did a good Bardock voice. I mean, I certainly think she does a fantastic Bardock voice, and I don't understand why there needs to be any other reason to have her voice the character. Trying to come up with abstract rules for why Nozawa voices Bardock but not Raditz is missing the point. If Nozawa (or any voice actress) had auditioned for Raditz and done better than the other candidates, then giving her the role would have made sense, right? Likewise for the Funi dub, I assume they gave Sonny Strait the role of Bardock because they thought he did a good Bardock voice, rather than just because he happened to be male.thatdbzguy wrote:I much prefer Sonny Strait as Bardock as opposed to Nozawa.
Don't get me wrong, Nozawa is a wonderful actress, and she clearly gave it her all whenever she played him (or anybody, for that matter) but I don't see any good reason as to why Bardock should be voiced by a woman. "But he's related to Goku!" is not a good reason in my eyes. You didn't see Raditz being voiced by a female, did you?
I took back what I said. Nozawa was the perfect choice, and the perfect Bardock.Herms wrote:They probably just cast her because they thought she did a good Bardock voice. I mean, I certainly think she does a fantastic Bardock voice, and I don't understand why there needs to be any other reason to have her voice the character. Trying to come up with abstract rules for why Nozawa voices Bardock but not Raditz is missing the point. If Nozawa (or any voice actress) had auditioned for Raditz and done better than the other candidates, then giving her the role would have made sense, right? Likewise for the Funi dub, I assume they gave Sonny Strait the role of Bardock because they thought he did a good Bardock voice, rather than just because he happened to be male.thatdbzguy wrote:I much prefer Sonny Strait as Bardock as opposed to Nozawa.
Don't get me wrong, Nozawa is a wonderful actress, and she clearly gave it her all whenever she played him (or anybody, for that matter) but I don't see any good reason as to why Bardock should be voiced by a woman. "But he's related to Goku!" is not a good reason in my eyes. You didn't see Raditz being voiced by a female, did you?
Khalid Shahin wrote:Yeah, pretty much sums the show up right there.Dragon Soul Funimation Lyrics wrote:Nothing ever dies; we will rise again!
Westwood, Blue Water Gt, and Ocean Kai say otherwiseABED wrote:Gaffer, I do think a distinction should be drawn between Goku as a kid and Goku as an adult. For Adult Goku, from 99 onward, adult Goku is always going to be played by Schemmel.
This post again makes me think you're confused as to what we're actually talking about here. Or at least as to what I'm actually talking about here. So to recap to get you to where I am, the topic was as to whether or not it made sense for Nozawa to play Bardock.ABED wrote:Gaffer, I do think a distinction should be drawn between Goku as a kid and Goku as an adult. For Adult Goku, from 99 onward, adult Goku is always going to be played by Schemmel. It's the norm to have males at different ages voiced by different people. Nozawa and Tanaka are exceptions.
Your list is confusing, you don't indicate which voices you are referring to on it.
Goku and Bardock are completely different characters, it's not even like he's an evil mirror of his son, so having someone else voice him wouldn't have been a bad idea. I'm not suggesting Nozawa shouldn't have, but it's not a bad idea either.
JulieYBM wrote:Just like Dragon Ball since Chapter #4.Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
son veku wrote:CanadaMetalwario64 wrote:Where is that located?BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Kingdom Piccolo
Well, in DB:E Japanese version the lead is voiced by Ranma/Inuyasha instead of Nozawa.Gaffer Tape wrote:Okay, now I'm lost and feel we're making divergent points. I'm not asking them to change Goku's adult dub voice. I don't care what they do with the dub. But the fact of the matter is, depending on what you watch, just picking out two random pieces of the franchise, you are probably going to have a different voice for your protagonist.
If you watch the DB TV series, GT series, and one movie, it will be Stephanie Nadolny.
Watch one of the movies, and it will be Colleen Clinkenbeard.
Watch two of the other movies, and it will be Ceyli Delgadillo.
Watch Z or Kai, and it will be Sean Schemmel.
Watch the early Boo arc of Z or Kai, and it will be Kyle Hebert.
Watch the Bardock special, and it will be Sonny Strait.
Watch the Trunks special, and it will be Eric Vale and Dameon Clark.
So all I'm saying is, FUNimation's dub has a A LOT of different voice actors in the protagonist slot. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it is a thing that exists. And it is a thing that makes it much easier for that fanbase to accept another actor taking the lead role.
Compare it to the Japanese version:
If you watch the DB TV series, GT series, and one movie, it will be Nozawa Masako.
Watch one of the movies, and it will be Nozawa Masako.
Watch two of the other movies, and it will be Nozawa Masako.
Watch Z or Kai, and it will be Nozawa Masako.
Watch the early Boo arc of Z or Kai, and it will be Nozawa Masako.
Watch the Bardock special, and it will be Nozawa Masako.
Watch the Trunks special, and it will be Kusao Takeshi and Nozawa Masako.
Now that's an audience that has been strongly conditioned to believe that, any time they watch Dragon Ball, it's going to be headlined by Nozawa. Because there's never been a time when it hasn't been true. Yes, there's some vocal consistency in the dub, but it's nothing like this. It's a completely different situation. Therefore, it's much easier for a dub fan to say, "Yeah, they really should have given Bardock a different voice." Because that's what they're used to! It's what they often get!
He looks like Goku?VegettoEX wrote: Gohan:
- Goku's son
- looks similar (though not identical) to Goku as a child
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
When have I said anything about character presence? Nothing in my argument has said even remotely that. It's about the audience's expectations about what constitutes Dragon Ball. It's always a character resembling Goku, voiced by Nozawa, in the lead protagonist slot. That's the one constant about Dragon Ball.BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:So a character's presence doesn't carry itself? It's not like Bardock and the GT special don't come back to Goku again in some way regardless of whoever is voicing their lead saiyains.
But that's exactly it- is everyone who is not Goku, as channeled by Nozawa through all of his male relations in his absence, suddenly chopped liver, when every story that's not Trunks circles back around to Goku anyway? I'm really just being petty, as I'm arguing against the necessity of having a voice that continually references Goku (Nozawa in Japanese and nowhere else) to keep things Dragon Ball, when you never never arguing the series needed it, only that that's how it fell out.Gaffer Tape wrote:When have I said anything about character presence? Nothing in my argument has said even remotely that. It's about the audience's expectations about what constitutes Dragon Ball. It's always a character resembling Goku, voiced by Nozawa, in the lead protagonist slot. That's the one constant about Dragon Ball.BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:So a character's presence doesn't carry itself? It's not like Bardock and the GT special don't come back to Goku again in some way regardless of whoever is voicing their lead saiyains.
JulieYBM wrote:Just like Dragon Ball since Chapter #4.Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
son veku wrote:CanadaMetalwario64 wrote:Where is that located?BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Kingdom Piccolo
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
Canada doesn't countWestwood, Blue Water Gt, and Ocean Kai say otherwise
Sigh. I don't know what else to say here. I keep trying to explain to you what it is I'm saying, but you keep going off on something totally different every single time. It's as if I keep putting "2+2" out there and hoping for feedback, yet you keep coming back with "golf ball" as your rebuttal. Granted, this time we're at least approaching the same academic hall as opposed to being on opposite sides of the campus.ABED wrote:Gaffer, I simply said that while it makes sense for her to play Goku's father, it also makes perfect sense to have someone else play him. I don't see why it's important that she be in everything. It's still Dragon Ball. Just because historically she's been the main character, it's not a requirement that she has to be. How do you know what the Japanese viewers' expectations are? All you've done is inferred what they were.
):That's a good point, but it's interesting to note that, in several of these cases, these are one-off, Toei-exclusive things. Bardock is just the most prominent example that fits my theory to a T. If I recall, Toriyama's original sketch was altered to look even more like Goku, and, obviously, so was his voice. Gohan just seems to be something of a coincidence, since, when he was first introduced, it wasn't obvious at all that he would be taking over for Goku, even for only a short time. By the time he did, he'd already had that voice for years. That said, it was pretty obvious he was intended as a "mini-Goku," even by Toriyama, due to his clothes, him being on earth while Goku was dead, and then there's that very pointed chapter page that shows Goku and Gohan, both in training, both in the same pose. So Toei might have been going off of that when they cast him. Goku Jr.? Very much a case of making another Goku-clone protagonist, even as far as giving him the same name! So it seems pretty obvious to me that Toei doesn't really see any other way of continuing Dragon Ball without having a Goku-esque lead. And I do believe that's self-fulfilling. The more it happens, the more people will expect it.But that's exactly it- is everyone who is not Goku, as channeled by Nozawa through all of his male relations in his absence, suddenly chopped liver, when every story that's not Trunks circles back around to Goku anyway? I'm really just being petty, as I'm arguing against the necessity of having a voice that continually references Goku (Nozawa in Japanese and nowhere else) to keep things Dragon Ball, when you never never arguing the series needed it, only that that's how it fell out.
You don't have to explain what you are saying, I know what you're saying. You're point isn't complicated, you think that people in Japan have an expectation that she's gonna be the main character. Tell me how the point you quoted is unrelated. I did weigh in on it, but you for some reason didn't see it.Gaffer Tape wrote:Sigh. I don't know what else to say here. I keep trying to explain to you what it is I'm saying, but you keep going off on something totally different every single time. It's as if I keep putting "2+2" out there and hoping for feedback, yet you keep coming back with "golf ball" as your rebuttal. Granted, this time we're at least approaching the same academic hall as opposed to being on opposite sides of the campus.ABED wrote:Gaffer, I simply said that while it makes sense for her to play Goku's father, it also makes perfect sense to have someone else play him. I don't see why it's important that she be in everything. It's still Dragon Ball. Just because historically she's been the main character, it's not a requirement that she has to be. How do you know what the Japanese viewers' expectations are? All you've done is inferred what they were.
To answer your question, though, I don't know what the Japanese viewers' expectations are. I never said I did. I came up with an answer to a question based on existing patterns of the time, and then I extrapolated that idea based on evidence that came afterwards and how the pattern continued. And like I've said, rather than weigh in on that, you keep arguing against something almost totally unrelated. And I'm just not sure how I can bridge this disconnect.
If you did, I'm not sure I'm seeing it, honestly. It just looks like it's all about whether you personally think Nozawa should have played Bardock or not, or whether the voice of Goku should play Bardock or not, and it at least seems to infer I have some kind of stake in this at the moment one way or the other. Again, I was just saying what I thought Toei's logic was in casting her in the first place. Outside of that, I have said I think that the dub audience has been shown to probably be more open to another vocal casting choice because of the fact they've done it so many times (in other words, at least in this context, I'm almost defending the choice to cast someone else in English). But whenever I bring that up, you just say that Sean Schemmel has been adult Goku for 15 years, which, to me, is very, very far off the point.ABED wrote:You don't have to explain what you are saying, I know what you're saying. You're point isn't complicated, you think that people in Japan have an expectation that she's gonna be the main character. Tell me how the point you quoted is unrelated. I did weigh in on it, but you for some reason didn't see it.
No, not what I said. I've said almost every single time that I don't think Nozawa NEEDS to be the one to play Bardock. She can, and she did it very well, just that she doesn't have to play every family member. How did you miss that point? I made it several times.Gaffer Tape wrote:If you did, I'm not sure I'm seeing it, honestly. It just looks like it's all about whether you personally think Nozawa should have played Bardock or not, or whether the voice of Goku should play Bardock or not, and it at least seems to infer I have some kind of stake in this at the moment one way or the other. Again, I was just saying what I thought Toei's logic was in casting her in the first place. Outside of that, I have said I think that the dub audience has been shown to probably be more open to another vocal casting choice because of the fact they've done it so many times (in other words, at least in this context, I'm almost defending the choice to cast someone else in English). But whenever I bring that up, you just say that Sean Schemmel has been adult Goku for 15 years, which, to me, is very, very far off the point.ABED wrote:You don't have to explain what you are saying, I know what you're saying. You're point isn't complicated, you think that people in Japan have an expectation that she's gonna be the main character. Tell me how the point you quoted is unrelated. I did weigh in on it, but you for some reason didn't see it.
I can think of only 3 scenes (all from the FUNimation dub of Bardock, The Father of Goku) where this may be true.xmysticgohanx wrote:In what scenes would you guys say this happens? For me personally I prefer the "It's Over 9000" part in the English dub (was it Ocean or Funimation?) over the Japanese even if it was unrealistic because Vegeta wouldn't be that exaggerated when he's at 18,000.
(BTW this discussion can be for any dub.)
