What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[SmugStick]

Everyone becoming SSJ3 in Heroes is really lame. Especially since it was a thing that Goku created... I was fine with Gotenks, but when Trunks did it I lost it.

[fadeddreams5]

Everyone becoming SSJ3 in Heroes is really lame. Especially since it was a thing that Goku created... I was fine with Gotenks, but when Trunks did it I lost it.

Wait until Caulifa does it in the next episode by feeling a tinglier feeling than the tingliness that granted her SSJ1.

[Grimlock]

Especially since it was a thing that Goku created...

Care to explain?

I was fine with Gotenks

Yeah, people tend to deliver the "free pass" when it's something that had appeared in the manga. Unless you forgot to mention a hypothesis in which Caulifla might get Super Saiyan 3 as well and very soon in Dragon Ball Super?

[SmugStick]

Everyone becoming SSJ3 in Heroes is really lame. Especially since it was a thing that Goku created... I was fine with Gotenks, but when Trunks did it I lost it.

Wait until Caulifa does it in the next episode by feeling a tinglier feeling than the tingliness that granted her SSJ1.

I’m going to cry when that happen. It’s bound to, and I hate it. I don’t know why SSJ3 is such an attractive transformation for merchandizing but it is really wearing me out.

[fadeddreams5]

Especially since it was a thing that Goku created...

Care to explain?

I was fine with Gotenks

Yeah, people tend to deliver the "free pass" when it's something that had appeared in the manga. Unless you forgot to mention a hypothesis in which Caulifla might get Super Saiyan 3 as well and very soon in Dragon Ball Super?

Goku invented the form. He discovered it through his own training. It wasn't like SSJ or SSJG, which had already existed in the past.

As for Gotenks, he gets a slight pass because he was a fusion of two saiyan half-breeds. You just have to assume he has more potential than a single saiyan.

[Grimlock]

Goku invented the form. He discovered it through his own training. It wasn't like SSJ or SSJG, which had already existed in the past.

"Create" and "invent" are not synonym for "discover". Discover implies that something was always there, one just didn't know the means to get there. And "discover" is the right term here, Goku didn't create anything. Can't simply invent a transformation (otherwise, he can create limitless transformations, even more powerful than the gods ones. But that ain't something he's going to do, is it?). Just because he was the first one, does not mean he owns that form and that it should be exclusive to him. Super Saiyan 3 is as inherent to Saiyans as any other Super Saiyan transformation since Super Saiyan 3 comes from the Super Saiyan form. If Goku hadn't shown it first or any other Saiyan from the past; Vegeta, Gohan or Gotenks would notice the existence of the form eventually.

As for Gotenks, he gets a slight pass because he was a fusion of two saiyan half-breeds. You just have to assume he has more potential than a single saiyan.

If we are really going to the "assumption" field, one can accept the fact that every Saiyan who gets Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Heroes comes from a simple concept, "what-if". What if they had power enough to become one?

[fadeddreams5]

Goku invented the form. He discovered it through his own training. It wasn't like SSJ or SSJG, which had already existed in the past.

"Create" and "invent" are not synonym for "discover". Discover implies that something was always there, one just didn't know the means to get there. And "discover" is the right term here, Goku didn't create anything. Can't simply invent a transformation (otherwise, he can create limitless transformations, even more powerful than the gods ones. But that ain't something he's going to do, is it?). Just because he was the first one, does not mean he owns that form and that it should be exclusive to him. Super Saiyan 3 is as inherent to Saiyans as any other Super Saiyan transformation since Super Saiyan 3 comes from the Super Saiyan form. If Goku hadn't shown it first or any other Saiyan from the past; Vegeta, Gohan or Gotenks would notice the existence of the form eventually.

As for Gotenks, he gets a slight pass because he was a fusion of two saiyan half-breeds. You just have to assume he has more potential than a single saiyan.

If we are really going to the "assumption" field, one can accept the fact that every Saiyan who gets Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Heroes comes from a simple concept, "what-if". What if they had power enough to become one?

Okay, semantics. You're right, but I think you know what the other poster meant.

Case in point, Goku discovered the form through training and his own genius-level fighting talent. It should have been exclusive to him for the sake of not diminishing the uniqueness of the form. It's bad enough how oversaturated the original SSJ form is, but giving this particular form to everyone is worse because it looks virtually identical on every character that uses it. When I was little, I used to tell people my favorite character was SSJ3 Goku. I emphasized that form because it looked so cool, and I recall despising the fact that Gotenks also got it. I can definitely see why it irks people seeing it on so many lesser characters. SSJ3 Vegeta is the only one I would have loved to see, besides Goku, at any point in my life.

Storywise, I don't think Vegeta, Gohan, or Gotenks would have ever noticed its existence. In 7 years, Vegeta was barely even as strong as SSJ2 Kid Gohan; he only surpassed this with majin powers. Even after becoming aware of it, by BoG, he still hadn't attained it. Gohan doesn't train, so I don't see how he would have eventually discovered it. Gotenks is a possibility, but he's also inexperienced. If we use Super, Future Trunks had a LONG time to discover it himself, and never did. The SSJ3 state, for all intents and purposes, is a result of Goku being a fighting genius.

As for Gotenks, like I mentioned, I personally don't like that he got the SSJ3 state. However, I can see why people give him a pass, given his entire existence is attributed to a special technique. It's not something outright stated in any source material, but it's also very plausible based on what we do know about him in the manga and anime. But point is, this is not a case of "oh, it happened in the manga, so it's alright."

[Super_Divine_Genki]

Modern DB anything?

I haven't read Dragon Ball Minus or watched Episode of Bardock, so I can't say about those. Going by the summaries, I refuse to waste my time on that stuff. Vegeta suddenly having a long lost brother, Tarble, in that 2008 Special was very weak, imo. And I still haven't been able to see anything that I like in the ritual that enabled Goku to become a (Super) Saiyajin God. I didn't like that at all.

But, I can't see anything surpassing this in the "lame" department. What was that person, or persons, thinking green-lighting this horrendous *expletive*?:

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It's every definition of the word "ridiculous".

[sintzu]

I haven't read Dragon Ball Minus or watched Episode of Bardock, so I can't say about those.

What was that person, or persons, thinking green-lighting this horrendous *expletive*?:

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You don't know how lucky you are.

They thought it was "funny". If there's one thing I'd change in Super is the entire writing team behind it.

[Kinokima]

Yes Vegeta with the pacifier is incredibly stupid. I generally enjoyed that arc but not that scene. And it’s not like I care that Vegeta does funny things. I mean I loved the Bingo Dance but there was a point to that.

I also hate Future and Present Trunks now having different hair colors

Goku not knowing what kissing is


And yes Vegeta having a brother. It goes against what the series previously said.

[Dbzfan94]

Goku not knowing what kissing is.

I still think that whole scene is taken out of context. Its not that Goku doesnt know what kissing is, its that Goku and Vegeta misunderstood what the other was talking about. Its all realy vague and not a good joke at all.

[Noah]

It's not that Goku doesnt know what kissing is, its that Goku and Vegeta misunderstood what the other was talking about. Its all realy vague and not a good joke at all.

Not only that, but it doesn't make any sense that Goku had sex with Chichi at least twice and never kissed her and she never bother about it. Also I don't like how they push it Goku being a bad father (mostly in Super manga).

Everyone becoming SSJ3 in Heroes is really lame. Especially since it was a thing that Goku created... I was fine with Gotenks, but when Trunks did it I lost it.

I guess you still live in 2012, mate old complaint, but valid tho

[Tian]

The stupid retcon they did to Vegetto´s fusion length. It was a kick in the groin to me, well not exactly...but it was pretty lame and ridiculous to do that.

[SmugStick]

I guess you still live in 2012, mate old complaint, but valid tho

Oh, totally. It just bothers me more than other things. I guess it’s SSJ4 nowadays with the whole Mira VS SSJ4 GOKU VS SSJ4 Broly

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

Lamest is Dragon Ball minus, it just frusterates me how fun Jaco was, just to lame up Bardock.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Modern DB anything?

I haven't read Dragon Ball Minus or watched Episode of Bardock, so I can't say about those. Going by the summaries, I refuse to waste my time on that stuff. Vegeta suddenly having a long lost brother, Tarble, in that 2008 Special was very weak, imo. And I still haven't been able to see anything that I like in the ritual that enabled Goku to become a (Super) Saiyajin God. I didn't like that at all. .

Yes. Modern DB post the 2008 special have been lame to me just with the sloppy writing, lack of substance and everything Super basically is.
Super doesn't even feel like a real anime to me, let alone a sequel. It just feels like one long, reference-stroke to the audience. Everything is just based on what people wanted over the years or referencing what is popular within the series and then rebranding it. There is no real story or flow to anything, and what does exist generally doesn't make any sense no more so than any of the fights either today, like the convoluted mess the Zamasu arc was. Everything is just all nostalgia and hype with Super. I am fatigued by it.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Yes. Modern DB post the 2008 special have been lame to me just with the sloppy writing, lack of substance and everything Super basically is.
Super doesn't even feel like a real anime to me, let alone a sequel.

First, what "real anime" is in the first place?

Super is not sequel, because so far everything has happened during the big time gap between the resolution of the Bu arc and the last Budokai Tenkaichi, not after that.

[nato25]

Yes. Modern DB post the 2008 special have been lame to me just with the sloppy writing, lack of substance and everything Super basically is.
Super doesn't even feel like a real anime to me, let alone a sequel.

First, what "real anime" is in the first place?

Super is not sequel, because so far everything has happened during the big time gap between the resolution of the Bu arc and the last Budokai Tenkaichi, not after that.

Its a sequel to the buu saga at the very least. If you don't see it as a sequel youre just being technically difficult. With all the progression in lore and power this easily could have started post z.

Makes me wonder why they didnt do that. My guess would be to keep gt questionable as canon, not deal with uub and not have gotenks grow up.

[sintzu]

Super doesn't even feel like a real anime to me, let alone a sequel.

First, what "real anime" is in the first place?

It sounds odd, like it doesn't click right. It seems like an incomplete sentence rather than a name of something. Why not just call it Dragon Ball S (for super), Dragon Ball legends or even Dragon Ball Multiverse ?

[fadeddreams5]

Super doesn't even feel like a real anime to me, let alone a sequel.

First, what "real anime" is in the first place?

It sounds odd, like it doesn't click right. It seems like an incomplete sentence rather than a name of something. Why not just call it Dragon Ball S (for super), Dragon Ball legends or even Dragon Ball Multiverse ?

I'm sure a lot of people would not have liked that.