Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Logania » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:59 am

Bardock, The Father of Goku 》 Dragon Ball 》 Dragon Ball Z Kai 》 The History of Trunks 》 Broly, The Legendary Super Saiyan 》 Bojack Unbound 》 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 》 Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! 》 Dragon Ball Super 》 Dragon Ball GT
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

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Sailor Haumea wrote:Dragon Ball FighterZ
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Analytic » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:59 am

- The original manga (with the updated Kanzenban Cell arc dates and ending)
- Bardock the Father of Goku
- Episode of Bardock
- Son Goku and his friends Return


That's about it for me.

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by mute_proxy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:10 am

1. Jaco's manga (without Minus)
2. Bardock TV special
3. DB manga
4. BoG movie
5. RoF movie
6. U6 TV arc
7. Black TV arc without SSRage and Spirit Sword
8. Universe survival TV arc without the nonsense recruitment and without Omen
9. Upcoming movie.

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by ShinkenRed » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:59 pm

I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Dragonball Minus.

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Helios518 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:09 pm

My personal canon would be Jaco Manga --> DB Manga --> DBS Manga or Anime ---> 2019 movie
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by t0ffe3m4n » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:42 am

Very straightforward for me..

The anime canon:

DB anime > DBZ anime > 2008 Jump Special > DB Super anime > 2018 Movie > ? > DBGT

The manga canon:

DB manga > DB Super manga

I consider the 'movie canon' to be a disconnected, alternate version of events derived from the anime canon.

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by TobyS » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:09 pm

Jaco(and Minus)
42 Volume manga with Kanzenban ending (and those little side comics about baby piccolo and stuff those staffers made, cuz why not)
Xenoverse 1&2 (with a version of EoB taking place as referenced) But headcanoned that it followed the manga and not the show.
Super Manga (excluding the latest bullshit chapter, basically a mix of the 2 versions of Super so far but it 99% favours the manga)
An approximation of the 3 contradictory Fighterz story.
Whatever of DBO hasn't been contradicted so far.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by KBABZ » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:42 pm

TobyS wrote:An approximation of the 3 contradictory Fighterz story.
I interpreted it like time travel. Arc 1 is interrupted by the Arc 2 due to the player now controlling Frieza, but then Arc 2 is defused by the player and 18 directly changing the actions of the villain in Arc 3. Ergo, Arc 3 should be taken as the "final" storyline with any compatible elements from Arc 1.

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Almighty Majin » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:16 pm

Galactic Patrol manga (Sachiee-chan Guu!!, Jiya, Jaco)
An approximation of the 3 Bardock stories (Minus, some altered variation of Bardock the Father of Goku, Episode of Bardock)
Dragon Ball manga
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
An approximation of Dragon Ball Super's events (Movies + Anime + Manga combined)
Approximation of FighterZ events
Nekomajin Z (depending on what happens with Freeza)
Dragon Ball Online (maybe with some elements of Xenoverse and SDBH added)

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by KBABZ » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:37 pm

How much stock do people put into FighterZ's story? Personally I like to think it happened in the timeline (after RoF is the earliest), but I'm wondering who takes it as canon and why, particularly over other games like Xenoverse.

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:59 pm

KBABZ wrote:How much stock do people put into FighterZ's story? Personally I like to think it happened in the timeline (after RoF is the earliest), but I'm wondering who takes it as canon and why, particularly over other games like Xenoverse.
Xenoverse's story reads like bad fanfiction.

When it comes to video games, I tend to take the concepts and characters but not the actual plot. And only when I feel they actually improve on the world.
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by shadowmaria » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:26 am

[spoiler]Both Xenoverse and FighterZ are bad fan fiction, and aren't canon. I don't know why people take them as gospel. But that's off topic.[/spoiler]

1. Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
2. Bardock: The Father of Goku
3. Dragon Ball
4. Dead Zone
5. Dragon Ball Z (Cooler's Revenge, Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan, and Bojack Unbound during the three year time skip, 10 day wait for the Cell Games, and seven year time skip respectively)
6. Wrath of the Dragon
7. Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return
8. Dragon Ball Super
9. DB Movie 20th
10. EoZ
11. Neko Majin Z
12. Dragon Ball GT
13. A Hero's Legacy
14. EoGT

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:42 am

To more articulate things:

Main timeline:
Dragon Ball Z: A Final, Solitary Battle: The Father of Z-Warrior Kakarotto, Who Challenged Freeza
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (chapters 1-12)
Dr. Slump (chapters 1-236)
Dragon Ball (episodes 1-153)
Dragon Ball Z: Return My Gohan!!
Dragon Ball Z (episodes 1-291)
Dragon Ball Z: The Incredible Strongest vs. Strongest
Dragon Ball Z: Clash!! 10,000,000,000 Powerful Warriors
Dragon Ball Z: Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Roaring, Super-Fierce Fight
Dragon Ball Z: The Galaxy at the Brink!! The Super Incredible Guy
Dragon Ball Z: The Dangerous Duo! Super-Warriors Can't Rest
Dragon Ball Z: Super-Warrior Defeat!! I'm the One Who'll Win
Dragon Ball Z: Dragon Fist Explosion!! If Goku Won't Do It, Who Will?
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F"
Dragon Ball Super manga
Dragon Ball Super anime episode 69
Dragon Ball Super anime episodes 71-76,
Dragon Ball Super anime movie (movie 20)
Dragon Ball GT (episodes 1-64)
Dragon Ball GT: Goku's Side Story! The Proof of His Courage is the Four-Star Ball
Dragon Ball FighterZ
Bits and pieces of Dragon Ball Online
Modified versions of the other DBZ movies to smooth out contradictions

Trunks's timeline:
Dragon Ball Z: Defiance in the Face of Despair!! The Remaining Super Warriors Gohan and Trunks

Unseen timeline:
Dragon Ball Z: Extreme Battle!! The Three Great Super Saiyans

Alternate dimensions:
Dragon Ball: The Legend of Shenlong
Dragon Ball: Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
Dragon Ball: A Mystical Great Adventure
Dragon Ball Z: The World's Strongest Guy (as depicted onscreen)
Dragon Ball Z: A Super Decisive Battle for Earth (as depicted onscreen)
Dragon Ball Z: Super Saiyan Son Goku (as depicted onscreen)
Dragon Ball Z: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans (as depicted onscreen)
Dragon Ball Z: The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta (as depicted onscreen)
Dragon Ball: The Path to Ultimate Strength (as depicted onscreen)

Absolutely do not count under any circumstances:
Dragon Ball Super anime filler episodes outside of episodes 69 and 71-76
Dragon Ball Xenoverse
Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2
Dragon Ball Minus
Dragon Ball Heroes
Episode of Bardock
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Cetra » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:33 am

Sailor Haumea wrote: Dragon Ball Super anime episode 69
Dragon Ball Super anime episodes 71-76,
Wow, how come? There are some episodes I think are a bit weird but that's it.
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:35 am

Cetra wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote: Dragon Ball Super anime episode 69
Dragon Ball Super anime episodes 71-76,
Wow, how come? There are some episodes I think are a bit weird but that's it.
The Super anime filler is, outside the episodes I listed, in my opinion painfully bad. And the manga in my opinion does a better job telling the story than the anime.
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by Cetra » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:37 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:
Cetra wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote: Dragon Ball Super anime episode 69
Dragon Ball Super anime episodes 71-76,
Wow, how come? There are some episodes I think are a bit weird but that's it.
The Super anime filler is, outside the episodes I listed, in my opinion painfully bad. And the manga in my opinion does a better job telling the story than the anime.
Okay, fair enough, I guess. I personally prefer the anime over the manga anyday. Storywise the manga for me is like playing an old Pokémon game, hardly any story at all. Maybe I am too spoiled narratively as JRPG fan of Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Drakengard's multiverse, Kingdom Hearts, Shin Megami Tensei and the likes.
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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by lordsigma » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:54 pm

My personal way of looking at it:

Manga Canon:

Alternative 1:
Manga with Toriyama written movies.
DB Manga > BoG movie > RoF movie

Alternative 2:
Pure manga.
DB Manga > DB Super Manga

Pick either of the above for the "true Toriyama canon." Tough to say as he was involved from both.

Anime Canons:

First Anime Canon
DB Anime > Z Anime > GT Anime (With Bardock and Trunks TV Specials)

Second Anime Canon
Kai Anime > Super Anime

Why two for the anime? Because Super was the sequel on TV to Kai, and I think it works better with less plot holes to consider DB/DBZ/DBGT and DB Kai/DB Super as two separate anime adaptations of the same manga. And also therefore DBGT still has its place - as the third part to the original 80s/90s Dragonball anime which it was. I think they would have been better off not including the end of the manga in Kai and just continuing to Super after the Majin Buu defeat since they knew when Super would take place. That way if they ever continue the Super story further and decide to write out or rework the end of the manga you have a more seamless product.

Alternate side-stories:
Pre BoG movies, video games, other material

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Re: Your personal canon for Dragon Ball

Post by DBSEng » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:37 pm

Here's mine in chronological order
1. Episode of Bardock
2. Jaco Manga (Not including the Dragon Ball Minus Parts)
3. Bardock Father of Goku
4. Dragon Ball
5. Dead Zone
6. Dragon Ball Z (Three Year gap--> Revenge of Cooler, 10 Day Gap to Cell Games ---> Broly The Legendary Super Saiyain, After Defeat of the future androids--> Bojack Unbound, Training for the 24th World Martial Arts Tournament (Or The Tenkaichi Budōkai) -----> Broly – Second Coming, Between episodes 249 and 250----> Bio-Broly, Months After Buu's Defeat-----> Wrath of The Dragon
7. Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
8. Dragon Ball Super
9. New Movie
10.Dragon Ball GT ( My personal cannon is that somewhere between these two series Beerus goes back to sleep and Goku and Vegetas god ki is lost due to Zeno or (Grand Priest) being afraid of the Sayians surpassing the gods)
11. A Hero's Legacy
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