Draconic wrote:Can someone make a GIF of Goku looking down on Freeza after blowing him up from the reanimated scenes in FnF?
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Draconic wrote:Can someone make a GIF of Goku looking down on Freeza after blowing him up from the reanimated scenes in FnF?
Of course not. He's a pure soul. It was established against Devil Man that Goku possesses no evil thoughts or wishes at all. He wishes to fight for the sport, not to hurt people. The whole point is that even though Freeza was the most evil person he had ever encountered in his life, and even though Freeza angered him more than he had ever been before, Goku still had no wish to inflict pointless pain on a person. He knew he had Freeza vastly outclassed, so he just stopped the fight and tried to go home. To him, there wasn't any point if he knew he was going to win, he wasn't looking to sadistically beat Freeza in order to punish him, he just wanted to surpass him. Goku only killed Freeza when Freeza gave him no choice; he's sad because it was pointless, but he simultaneously feels a variety of other emotions.Noah wrote:Never understand why Goku had this expression, didn't he want to kill Freeza at all?
This seens familiar, like I swear I've read it before in a anime magazineNejishiki wrote:Goku was never about being a beacon of justice. Purity of heart does not equate to a sense righteousness. He knows the difference between right and wrong, but isn't interested in the bigger picture. The world is not meant to rest on Son Goku's shoulders and he reflects those thoughts openly. His philosophy of sparing and sparring individuals is his character. It's not a factor if it will work out or not, it's merely selfishness to keep himself competition. His life's goal is to forever improve and seek those who push him further. A "hero personality" is akin to someone like Gohan, not a pure martial artist like himself. Rounding it back to the subject, he made his point with Freeza. He defeated him at his best and attempted to humble him. It didn't pan out and his hand was forced to put him down. He isn't comfortable with that, even at his angriest. The culmination of all of the lessons his masters provided him put him above that in some capacity. He tries to see the good in everyone, no matter the extreme, when it comes down to it. It's the basic balance of his craft's teachings that he obsessively follows. It's noteworthy that he dealt with Freeza in his original fate and didn't attempt to redeem Cell. As an adult, those two are a part of the few he felt took it too far, in his own weird sense of logic.
I think some fans exaggerate his selfishness in support of the sub and and some fans exaggerate his heroicness in support of the dub. Can't he be a Saiyan warrior who lives for battle, and also a selfless savior? He definitely possesses both traits, the conflict between his Saiyan nature and Earthling beliefs are central to the character as a whole, as that great thread from a few days ago detailed, Goku gradually accepting himself and his heritage from both sides is a major part of his character arc. I believe that only when Goku combines the two sides of himself, the Saiyan who wants to battle, and the Earthling who wants to protect, only by combining both motivations simultaneously is he able to reach his absolute potential and match the gods.Anime Kitten wrote:I think JulieYBM said it best. You can write Goku however you want and it works. I see him as a more selfless than selfish hero. I'm just biased to the FUNi dub, but maybe that's how I like his personality. In essence, I am saying that if his personality is indeed as Nejishiki described, then I don't like his original personality very much.
Indeed, you may have! Of course, that's not to say my opinionated interpretation isn't my own. I just happened to take advantage of Kanzenshuu's new Press Archive. Sometimes, you find like-minded ideals expressed better than what you're capable of. Like many subjects, I adapt them to my views, forming a complete puzzle of my thoughts. I'm sure if you see any of my older posts, you'll notice I share the same views, but expressed differently.Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:This seens familiar, like I swear I've read it before in a anime magazine
That's okay, too. There are qualities to like and dislike about him, just as you'll find in reality. It makes him interesting to me. He isn't particularity right because he's the protagonist and that brings about an human element that relates to both one's frustrations or comforts seeing him.Anime Kitten wrote:I think JulieYBM said it best. You can write Goku however you want and it works. I see him as a more selfless than selfish hero. I'm just biased to the FUNi dub, but maybe that's how I like his personality. In essence, I am saying that if his personality is indeed as Nejishiki described, then I don't like his original personality very much.
I don't have much to add, but it's always important to remember an individual isn't confined to one of their traits. Humans compose multitudes of emotion and personality. The fact that Goku can change his ways dependent of the situation is no different from your fellow planetary-mate doing so. It's all in the current feeling.nickzambuto wrote:I think some fans exaggerate his selfishness in support of the sub and and some fans exaggerate his heroicness in support of the dub. Can't he be a Saiyan warrior who lives for battle, and also a selfless savior? He definitely possesses both traits, the conflict between his Saiyan nature and Earthling beliefs are central to the character as a whole, as that great thread from a few days ago detailed, Goku gradually accepting himself and his heritage from both sides is a major part of his character arc. I believe that only when Goku combines the two sides of himself, the Saiyan who wants to battle, and the Earthling who wants to protect, only by combining both motivations simultaneously is he able to reach his absolute potential and match the gods.
Oh wow, I actually forgot this was even a fight. I thought Gohan just crushed him.nickzambuto wrote:Vegeta fighting Oozaru Gohan.
That's why this thread is great, we're all reminding each other of some of the best fights and moves in the series.Anime Kitten wrote:Oh wow, I actually forgot this was even a fight. I thought Gohan just crushed him.nickzambuto wrote:Vegeta fighting Oozaru Gohan.
How about the countless soldiers he killed from Red Ribbon Army? We could say he was a child at time and didn't know what he's doing?nickzambuto wrote:Of course not. He's a pure soul...
Pure just means free of contamination or not mixed with anything. Unless you're following a specific religion or some other type of guideline that specifically states killing is bad, I honestly don't think murder should be precluded from purity if there's no malice in it. Like you said, Goku had no idea what he was doing.Noah wrote:How about the countless soldiers he killed from Red Ribbon Army? We could say he was a child at time and didn't know what he's doing?nickzambuto wrote:Of course not. He's a pure soul...
Same reason Goku gave him opportunity to leave in the "F" movie. Freeza has unreal talent and a would be a great sparring partner unfortunately he uses this talent to be a self centered prick.Noah wrote:Never understand why Goku had this expression, didn't he want to kill Freeza at all?
Goku was pretty infuriated with Freeza at that point. It's a possible interpretation, but Freeza just murdered his best friend, I don't think Goku is THAT much of an asshole that he was only upset about losing a potential fight at that moment.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Same reason Goku gave him opportunity to leave in the "F" movie. Freeza has unreal talent and a would be a great sparring partner unfortunately he uses this talent to be a self centered prick.Noah wrote:Never understand why Goku had this expression, didn't he want to kill Freeza at all?
Me too! Nice GIFs, mateMetalwario64 wrote:I especially love how even Vegeta is surprised at Goku's action: