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Forte224 wrote:What grinds me gears is the double standard people have for the Ocean Dub. It makes the exact same terrible mistakes the original Funi dub did but everyone praises it. It wouldn't bother me so much if it was just comparing Ocean to OG Funi because they both are terrible. But I can't fathom people still preferring Ocean over the Kai dub performances. It makes no sense to me objectively
Maybe in terms of script, but the performances were better early on, if only due to the actors having far more experience. There are still a number of those voices that I think are vastly superior to even the Kai actors. For instance, King Kai and Ox-King's ocean dub actors are way better than their FUNi counterparts.
Well sure I'm not one of those people that think literally every little aspect is worse but, come on. Drummond Vegeta better than Sabat Kai Vegeta? Really? I don't understand the Scott McNeil love either frankly. He sounds raspy too.
Clearly I'm carrying over from the Drummond thread if it isn't obvious
Forte224 wrote:What grinds me gears is the double standard people have for the Ocean Dub. It makes the exact same terrible mistakes the original Funi dub did but everyone praises it. It wouldn't bother me so much if it was just comparing Ocean to OG Funi because they both are terrible. But I can't fathom people still preferring Ocean over the Kai dub performances. It makes no sense to me objectively
Since when does everyone praise the Ocean dub? You either love it or hate it.
Eh, let people like what they like. Sure, the Saban-Ocean dub isn't on the same level as the Funimation Kai dub, but that doesn't mean the voice actors at Ocean couldn't improve if they had better scripts and direction. I'm still waiting for Ocean Kai to come out to see if it's as good as the Pioneer dubs of the first three movies.
"It was deemed to be too awesome." - Scott McNeil on Dragon Ball Kai not being aired yet in Canada.
Forte224 wrote:What grinds me gears is the double standard people have for the Ocean Dub. It makes the exact same terrible mistakes the original Funi dub did but everyone praises it. It wouldn't bother me so much if it was just comparing Ocean to OG Funi because they both are terrible. But I can't fathom people still preferring Ocean over the Kai dub performances. It makes no sense to me objectively
Since when does everyone praise the Ocean dub? You either love it or hate it.
Eh, let people like what they like. Sure, the Saban-Ocean dub isn't on the same level as the Funimation Kai dub, but that doesn't mean the voice actors at Ocean couldn't improve if they had better scripts and direction. I'm still waiting for Ocean Kai to come out to see if it's as good as the Pioneer dubs of the first three movies.
I'd love to hear Ocean Kai too, but I see people all over making OG Ocean out to be this masterful dub but then call Funi out for doing the same things Ocean does. It's like if I said I can't stand McDonald's but Burger King is one of the best restaurants I've been to. I mean, they're pretty much the same, bro
Forte224 wrote:What grinds me gears is the double standard people have for the Ocean Dub. It makes the exact same terrible mistakes the original Funi dub did but everyone praises it. It wouldn't bother me so much if it was just comparing Ocean to OG Funi because they both are terrible. But I can't fathom people still preferring Ocean over the Kai dub performances. It makes no sense to me objectively
Since when does everyone praise the Ocean dub? You either love it or hate it.
Eh, let people like what they like. Sure, the Saban-Ocean dub isn't on the same level as the Funimation Kai dub, but that doesn't mean the voice actors at Ocean couldn't improve if they had better scripts and direction. I'm still waiting for Ocean Kai to come out to see if it's as good as the Pioneer dubs of the first three movies.
I'd love to hear Ocean Kai too, but I see people all over making OG Ocean out to be this masterful dub but then call Funi out for doing the same things Ocean does. It's like if I said I can't stand McDonald's but Burger King is one of the best restaurants I've been to. I mean, they're pretty much the same, bro
Can you give me this evidence that everyone likes the Ocean dub, please? And the things Ocean did were not really their fault. Funimation was responsible for the scripts and Saban did the music and censorship. The voice actors just do the voices. Like I said several times before, I think the Vancouver voice actors are some of the most talented folks in the business, and it's a bad thing to blame them for things that they have nothing to do with.
"It was deemed to be too awesome." - Scott McNeil on Dragon Ball Kai not being aired yet in Canada.
Go check out the Brian Drummond thread and the favorite non-Funi english voices thread for proof. It's all over. Thats just a sample though. And where exactly did I blame the voice actors? I said the dub is bad. Voices, directing, script, pretty much everything. Nothing in my posts said I was blaming the actors specifically
8000 Saiyan wrote:
Since when does everyone praise the Ocean dub? You either love it or hate it.
Eh, let people like what they like. Sure, the Saban-Ocean dub isn't on the same level as the Funimation Kai dub, but that doesn't mean the voice actors at Ocean couldn't improve if they had better scripts and direction. I'm still waiting for Ocean Kai to come out to see if it's as good as the Pioneer dubs of the first three movies.
I'd love to hear Ocean Kai too, but I see people all over making OG Ocean out to be this masterful dub but then call Funi out for doing the same things Ocean does. It's like if I said I can't stand McDonald's but Burger King is one of the best restaurants I've been to. I mean, they're pretty much the same, bro
Can you give me this evidence that everyone likes the Ocean dub, please? And the things Ocean did were not really their fault. Funimation was responsible for the scripts and Saban did the music and censorship. The voice actors just do the voices. Like I said several times before, I think the Vancouver voice actors are some of the most talented folks in the business, and it's a bad thing to blame them for things that they have nothing to do with.
I would think anyone who started the series with Ocean dub has respect for it, like myself. I would watch the whole franchise under that dub even though it currently would not be my absolute favorite.
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You hate rasp a lot and I honestly don't mind it. It's no worse than any other sort of voice. I like both Kai Vegeta AND Drummond's take on Vegeta.
I love the voices in Kai, but even then, I think there are a number of Ocean dub voices that I still prefer or think are at least on par with the Kai dub. For instance, Saffron Henderson is so good as both Gohan and young Goku. Sabat's Yamcha voice is very natural sounding, but Ted Cole is a step or two above him.
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The existence of Chi-Chi. I hate how she cares so little of Goku and is nothing but angry.
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When people can't fathom the notion that extraordinarily powerful characters can still control their strength and hold back their raw power to certain situations that may demand it. Like their galactic bending powers are on 24/7 and have no rest-bite.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I've been a vocal Chichi hater in the past and she still bothers me, but her behavior isn't as prevalent in the manga. Hell, she's not in the manga nearly as much in the anime due to filler. But I think it's unfair to say that's all she is. She starts off as flighty, becomes a tiger mom, and then Goku's death affects her deeply. She raises Goten much differently.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Used to..
She used to raise him differently..
If only she kept at it I wouldn't loathe her as much as I do.. it would make for a good character arc honestly
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8000 Saiyan wrote:When it comes to Chi-Chi, I don't like her or dislike her.
I kind of find her cute in the way that she deals with the stereotypical Japanese house-wife role. I feel like, in a way, she's kind of the "One Sane Man" of the main DB cast, if that makes sense. I'm not a huge fan of this archetype, but I like how Toriyama brings up how problematic it is, in a way that's in-line with his casual comedic shtick.
8000 Saiyan wrote:When it comes to Chi-Chi, I don't like her or dislike her.
I kind of find her cute in the way that she deals with the stereotypical Japanese house-wife role. I feel like, in a way, she's kind of the "One Sane Man" of the main DB cast, if that makes sense. I'm not a huge fan of this archetype, but I like how Toriyama brings up how problematic it is, in a way that's in-line with his casual comedic shtick.
You think Chichi is the "One Sane Man" of the cast? She's just as out there as anyone.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
8000 Saiyan wrote:When it comes to Chi-Chi, I don't like her or dislike her.
I kind of find her cute in the way that she deals with the stereotypical Japanese house-wife role. I feel like, in a way, she's kind of the "One Sane Man" of the main DB cast, if that makes sense. I'm not a huge fan of this archetype, but I like how Toriyama brings up how problematic it is, in a way that's in-line with his casual comedic shtick.
You think Chichi is the "One Sane Man" of the cast? She's just as out there as anyone.
I mean. She's basically a normie in the middle of superpowered cosmic battles, & she spent her whole childhood under the ideal of "I'mma grow up to be the perfect country bumpkin housewife!". Things are constantly perilous around her, & her lone supports are fellow normie & fellow country bumpkin. It sort of puts it into perspective how spectacular the events are, & it's perfectly understandable how "crazy" she is.
While her role of housewife is normal, her personality is over the top.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Forte224 wrote:What grinds me gears is the double standard people have for the Ocean Dub. It makes the exact same terrible mistakes the original Funi dub did but everyone praises it. It wouldn't bother me so much if it was just comparing Ocean to OG Funi because they both are terrible. But I can't fathom people still preferring Ocean over the Kai dub performances. It makes no sense to me objectively
It makes complete sense to me that people would have different reactions to the issue you're talking about. One actor being over the top could be irritating, but in the hands of another actor it could be delightful. That's not a double standard.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Chi-Chi was fine in the Boo arc but Super's kind of shat on that whole development of "Yeah... maybe having someone who knows how to fight so more people don't die isn't such a bad thing!" gets reversed harder than DC Rebirths Superman status quo.
I guess it's supposed to be her thinking that with Goku around, Goten doesn't need to be the fighting child but the show does fuck all with a mountain sized load of jack shit to even remotely imply this at any point, ever.
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Forte224 wrote:What grinds me gears is the double standard people have for the Ocean Dub. It makes the exact same terrible mistakes the original Funi dub did but everyone praises it. It wouldn't bother me so much if it was just comparing Ocean to OG Funi because they both are terrible. But I can't fathom people still preferring Ocean over the Kai dub performances. It makes no sense to me objectively
Hate to break it to you but the Kai dub is not perfect, no dub is.
Forte224 wrote:Go check out the Brian Drummond thread and the favorite non-Funi english voices thread for proof. It's all over.
God forbid anyone have positive things to say about NON-FUNIMATION ENGLISH VOICES. I mean, it's not as if the title of that thread was any indication or anything...
