Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
ABED wrote:It was implied and you had to know that I didn't mean it applied to every one of his friends. Of course he wouldn't love fighting a friend who can't fight, but he would enjoy fighting Yamcha in a friendly fight. Kuririn was a great fighter, but not compared to Goku.
The point is that the real/main factor for him to love the fights was the fact that they were awesome fighters. If they were enemies, Goku would still love the fights because they were awesome fighters. The existence of Goku's love for fighting doesn't depend on friendship or on whether he has an advantage or not over the opponent. At most that makes him love it more.
There was ZERO love of fighting in that battle. It was personal. You are putting a square peg in a round hole. We're shown flat out that Goku is fighting him because he's upset. Goku is upfront about his reasons, but he lies to Piccolo? He only lied because of a retcon. It's inconsistent with what we know of Goku.
I don't know if you are intentionally not making the logical inference or you genuinely think I"m not being clear but obviously Goku wouldn't enjoy fighting Oolong. I meant he likes to fight his friends who are fighters and Kuririn might be a great fighter by our standards, but not by Goku's, though I still imagine that he'd enjoy sparring with his friend just like friends enjoy shooting basketballs with each other.
The giant point that you and others that share your POV seem to miss even though it's super obvious is why would Goku lie to Piccolo about being able to defeat Buu in Super Saiyan 3? It's not in Goku's character to lie like that. He's always upfront about his reckless decisions, whether it's lett Piccolo or Vegeta live or letting the Cyborgs be activated. This isn't like those examples at all.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Dbzfan94 wrote:This discussion looks like it is actually worth its own thread in spite of the title, considering its gone on for 2 pages
Agreed. Too long for my tastes.
On-topic, I find it odd that Budokai Tenkaichi 3 was supposedly the best-selling Dragon Ball Z video game (for a time, at least), but it's so hard to get your hands on one now. I get that everyone's keeping it, but come on!
In summary, it sold so well but it's so rare today.
Does anyone know why Joji Yanami played Muten Roshi in episode 137 of Dragon Ball?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
How can dinosaurs be roaming the world and at no stage have found their way into populated areas or cities? Surely their numbers would have grown to the point where they would started exploring different lands and the Dragon Ball world would experience something like The Lost World: Jurassic Park.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
ryou766 wrote:Mr. Satan is the only character in Dragon Ball with the best character development in the series, save for Vegeta.
I would go with either Piccolo or Tenshinhan before Mr. Satan.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
I wonder why Battle Power differences of 5 or 10 used to large deciding factors of fights, but then when we get to Freeza it takes a difference of 30,000,000 to win a fight.
nite_jay wrote:I wonder why Battle Power differences of 5 or 10 used to large deciding factors of fights, but then when we get to Freeza it takes a difference of 30,000,000 to win a fight.
TBF Toriyama probably didn't have the guidebook power levels in mind when he wrote that. Hell, how much of a power increase Super Saiyan even is to Toriyama is debated still. Is it just 10 or the KKX20 getting an additional 10,...
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
I find it funny how those of the living realm make offerings to their GoD to help them out or spare themselves from his wrath, kinda like in the Abrahamic religions.
I do wonder, if East-Asian religions also make use of this concept.
Did Toriyama ever talk about the changes to Goku's design? I used to assume it was meant to symbolize him "becoming his own master" but then I look at Yamcha and Krillin's outfits and they've got the kanji and old belts from before. Did he just get rid of those for Goku because he knew he'd draw him more than Krillin & Yamcha?
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
If I'm not mistaken, the only time we see Goku writing his name on any media was in DBSuper manga chapter 8 I believe, after vados gives the results, in the panel where Goku shows his score we can see that he also writes his name in hiragana.
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
If the series had ended at the Cell saga, which from what I've heard was apparently intended, Gohan and Bulma would have been the only main characters to not die once. You could count Chi-Chi, Dr. Briefs, Bulma's mother and Ox-King in there too but I don't consider them main characters.
SSJ Human wrote:If the series had ended at the Cell saga, which from what I've heard was apparently intended, Gohan and Bulma would have been the only main characters to not die once. You could count Chi-Chi, Dr. Briefs, Bulma's mother and Ox-King in there too but I don't consider them main characters.
SSJ Human wrote:If the series had ended at the Cell saga, which from what I've heard was apparently intended, Gohan and Bulma would have been the only main characters to not die once. You could count Chi-Chi, Dr. Briefs, Bulma's mother and Ox-King in there too but I don't consider them main characters.
SSJ Human wrote:If the series had ended at the Cell saga, which from what I've heard was apparently intended, Gohan and Bulma would have been the only main characters to not die once. You could count Chi-Chi, Dr. Briefs, Bulma's mother and Ox-King in there too but I don't consider them main characters.
