If Super Looked More like Z...

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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by dario03 » Tue May 23, 2017 6:04 pm

I don't know...those backgrounds look like Z 8)

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Post by simtek34 » Tue May 23, 2017 6:09 pm

dario03 wrote:I don't know...those backgrounds look like Z 8)
Because those backgrounds ARE from Z

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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by MajinMan » Wed May 24, 2017 1:29 am

DragonBallFoodie wrote:SalvaMakoto has done it again!

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If Super looked anything like this I would probably drop the show because I would go blind.
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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed May 24, 2017 2:21 am

I mean... Ugh...

We have good references for accurate colors now more than ever. Kai 1.0 is a perfect color reference for that era, and Funimation's Blu-rays for the Boo Arc are a pretty decent reference for the correct colors of that era! Why is this still happening even?

Honestly, if he's going through all this trouble, it would be the easiest thing in the world to take a second glance at the old material and realize that the pictures aren't supposed to literally make your screen bleed.
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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by Godszgift » Thu May 25, 2017 11:37 am

Looks cool but it's weird too. Remember not only is the coloring different but the whole animation style is as well, so it does look more jarring than the original dbz

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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by Thanos » Thu May 25, 2017 3:43 pm

I've always been a big Super apologist... but man, the images on the first page really made me wistful about the old style. There was something inherently tangible about them... it's hard to explain--it's like they're more organic--the slight grain and hand-drawn nature really put a lot of life into cartoons in the 80's/90's. Now everything looks like a Flash animation. Not to mention, most of the time characters look on-model in modern animation--why does it look weird when they look how they're supposed to? Gah, I'm torn.
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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by Metalwario64 » Thu May 25, 2017 11:32 pm

This guy's out of his mind. Those colors are way worse than the Orange Bricks, since he seemed to have looked for whatever episode looked the worst in and just copied that (and made it worse. What the hell is with the blue tint?)

I've already made an image of what Super would have looked like if it adhered to Z's designs and palette last year:
Here's the original:
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Here's my correction:
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If you want to take it even further with outright the same colors as Z (or Kai), including the grain, then here's this:
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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by dario03 » Fri May 26, 2017 3:10 am

simtek34 wrote:
dario03 wrote:I don't know...those backgrounds look like Z 8)
Because those backgrounds ARE from Z
See, just like I said.

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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by emperior » Fri May 26, 2017 10:01 am

Metalwario64 wrote:This guy's out of his mind. Those colors are way worse than the Orange Bricks, since he seemed to have looked for whatever episode looked the worst in and just copied that (and made it worse. What the hell is with the blue tint?)

I've already made an image of what Super would have looked like if it adhered to Z's designs and palette last year:
Here's the original:
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Here's my correction:
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If you want to take it even further with outright the same colors as Z (or Kai), including the grain, then here's this:
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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by Nekis13 » Fri May 26, 2017 10:38 am

Metalwario64 wrote:[spoiler]This guy's out of his mind. Those colors are way worse than the Orange Bricks, since he seemed to have looked for whatever episode looked the worst in and just copied that (and made it worse. What the hell is with the blue tint?)

I've already made an image of what Super would have looked like if it adhered to Z's designs and palette last year:
Here's the original:
Image

Here's my correction:
Image

If you want to take it even further with outright the same colors as Z (or Kai), including the grain, then here's this:
Image[/spoiler]
This looks fantastic!

Personally I really like the new filter Super has but I'd kill for it look like this. I miss the old Gi color
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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by TRIZACK » Fri May 26, 2017 1:40 pm

Not really a fan of those pictures, especially Hit's as the colors look absolutely awful.

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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by NitroEX » Fri May 26, 2017 5:56 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:[spoiler]If you want to take it even further with outright the same colors as Z (or Kai), including the grain, then here's this:
Image[/spoiler]
As others have said, this looks very good. Only minor gripe I personally see is with the hair colour as it looks barely any different to the previous edit, which to me, really makes it stand out as a modern trait rather than a pallet choice that "classic" Toei might've gone with. I get the feeling they would've used a lighter shade instead or maybe just something more muted, I'm not exactly sure yet. That being said, the shading also seems partially to blame for retaining the modern look since it has three points of shade, which, if memory serves, was typically only reserved for in-aura Super Saiyans (although there were exceptions in movies and the odd high budget scene).

I made a quick attempt in Photoshop to better illustrate what I was thinking. Again, I think the shading is most likely the main issue that detracts from the classic look but overall I think a slightly lighter shade helps keep it feel more in line with classic Super Saiyan hair pallets. That's just my personal opinion though.
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Re: If Super Looked More like Z...

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat May 27, 2017 4:34 pm

NitroEX wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:[spoiler]If you want to take it even further with outright the same colors as Z (or Kai), including the grain, then here's this:
Image[/spoiler]
As others have said, this looks very good. Only minor gripe I personally see is with the hair colour as it looks barely any different to the previous edit, which to me, really makes it stand out as a modern trait rather than a pallet choice that "classic" Toei might've gone with. I get the feeling they would've used a lighter shade instead or maybe just something more muted, I'm not exactly sure yet. That being said, the shading also seems partially to blame for retaining the modern look since it has three points of shade, which, if memory serves, was typically only reserved for in-aura Super Saiyans (although there were exceptions in movies and the odd high budget scene).

I made a quick attempt in Photoshop to better illustrate what I was thinking. Again, I think the shading is most likely the main issue that detracts from the classic look but overall I think a slightly lighter shade helps keep it feel more in line with classic Super Saiyan hair pallets. That's just my personal opinion though.
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The reason I didn't mess with the hair is because that form didn't exist back then, and I'd just be guessing as to what it would look like.

I can certainly make it match the lightness of Z's Super Saiyan hair without the aura if you want:
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I also made sure I used the exact colors for the rest of the image from Kai for this one by selecting each color and overlaying it as a color layer in GIMP. Last time I eyeballed it.

Also, at first there were only 2 shades, but by the Buu arc, every animator was using two shades for Super Saiyan hair without the glow.
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